UVA and in-state stats and laws on required numbers

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think UVA “refuses” to become larger. Have you seen the campus? There’s no real room to actually expand there. I don’t think they could even if they wanted to.


UVA should have expanded its campus size decades ago. If it has no real room to to expand, then I guess it’s the fault of short sighted past administrators. In the meantime if it cannot expand, it needs to up the instate student numbers at the undergraduate level. Right now it is not properly serving Virginia residents as a so called state flagship.


UVA seems to take pride in not serving its residents. They should just go private and be done with it.


So on one hand UVA haters complain that UVA is just a continuation of high school bc there’s so many kids from northern Virginia attending, and on the other hand UVA haters complain that it accepts too many OOS students and doesn’t serve Virginia residents. Hmm. Which is it?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think UVA “refuses” to become larger. Have you seen the campus? There’s no real room to actually expand there. I don’t think they could even if they wanted to.


UVA should have expanded its campus size decades ago. If it has no real room to to expand, then I guess it’s the fault of short sighted past administrators. In the meantime if it cannot expand, it needs to up the instate student numbers at the undergraduate level. Right now it is not properly serving Virginia residents as a so called state flagship.


UVA seems to take pride in not serving its residents. They should just go private and be done with it.


So on one hand UVA haters complain that UVA is just a continuation of high school bc there’s so many kids from northern Virginia attending, and on the other hand UVA haters complain that it accepts too many OOS students and doesn’t serve Virginia residents. Hmm. Which is it?


Yep. This is the DCUM equivalent of that Yogi Berra comment, “No one goes there anymore because it’s too crowded.”
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think UVA “refuses” to become larger. Have you seen the campus? There’s no real room to actually expand there. I don’t think they could even if they wanted to.


UVA should have expanded its campus size decades ago. If it has no real room to to expand, then I guess it’s the fault of short sighted past administrators. In the meantime if it cannot expand, it needs to up the instate student numbers at the undergraduate level. Right now it is not properly serving Virginia residents as a so called state flagship.


UVA seems to take pride in not serving its residents. They should just go private and be done with it.


Except then the 2 out of every 3 seats in the freshman class currently allocated to Virginia residents would be at risk. How, exactly, does that help anything?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think UVA “refuses” to become larger. Have you seen the campus? There’s no real room to actually expand there. I don’t think they could even if they wanted to.


UVA should have expanded its campus size decades ago. If it has no real room to to expand, then I guess it’s the fault of short sighted past administrators. In the meantime if it cannot expand, it needs to up the instate student numbers at the undergraduate level. Right now it is not properly serving Virginia residents as a so called state flagship.


UVA seems to take pride in not serving its residents. They should just go private and be done with it.

+1. NP. That is certainly my perception or at least prideful of being difficult for what would appear to be qualified kids to gain acceptance.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think UVA “refuses” to become larger. Have you seen the campus? There’s no real room to actually expand there. I don’t think they could even if they wanted to.


UVA should have expanded its campus size decades ago. If it has no real room to to expand, then I guess it’s the fault of short sighted past administrators. In the meantime if it cannot expand, it needs to up the instate student numbers at the undergraduate level. Right now it is not properly serving Virginia residents as a so called state flagship.


UVA seems to take pride in not serving its residents. They should just go private and be done with it.


So on one hand UVA haters complain that UVA is just a continuation of high school bc there’s so many kids from northern Virginia attending, and on the other hand UVA haters complain that it accepts too many OOS students and doesn’t serve Virginia residents. Hmm. Which is it?


This may come as a surprise to you but there are thousands of posters here expressing their own and differing opinions. I have never referred to uva as high school 2.0 (and anyone who does is probably 17)
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think UVA “refuses” to become larger. Have you seen the campus? There’s no real room to actually expand there. I don’t think they could even if they wanted to.


UVA should have expanded its campus size decades ago. If it has no real room to to expand, then I guess it’s the fault of short sighted past administrators. In the meantime if it cannot expand, it needs to up the instate student numbers at the undergraduate level. Right now it is not properly serving Virginia residents as a so called state flagship.


UVA seems to take pride in not serving its residents. They should just go private and be done with it.


So on one hand UVA haters complain that UVA is just a continuation of high school bc there’s so many kids from northern Virginia attending, and on the other hand UVA haters complain that it accepts too many OOS students and doesn’t serve Virginia residents. Hmm. Which is it?


Both. Lots of kids from northern Virginia attend and the ones that don’t get in have parents that complain about it.
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Anonymous wrote:Are you aware the OOS students are paying $20,000 + more each year?


More like 40k more. One of the two most expensive oos schools in the country. Want more Virginians? Pay for it. Vote for it. Or quit whining. oos students are funding your school...


It won’t make a difference. UVA should be sufficiently large enough to handle virtually all of the very top students in the state. It isn’t and therein lies the problem.

Virginia can try to be more like Michigan but that won’t be a solution; Virginia will end up more like Wisconsin if it goes that route — a fine school, but not a school oos students would be willing to pay private school tuition for.


I guess then that UVA doesn’t quite have the “cachet” that some think it does. Michigan, which has the highest tuition for OOS students in the country, has no problem filling its classrooms.

It certainly won’t have the cachet if it lets in 15k more kids!


In other words it’s no Cal, UCLA, or Michigan. Those three schools all have cachet and at least attempt to serve the top students in their respective states. UVA seems to want to keep many of its top students out of the state flagship.
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As someone earlier has said, VA funds less than 10% of UVAs budget (although this includes the medical center). NC funds 50% of UNC-CHs budget.
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Even if UVA shifted to UNC or Florida shares of in-state admits, a lot of these kids still wouldn’t be getting in. It would only add about 700 new in-state spots a year. The bigger problem is that UVA is small for a flagship. But that’s why there are other good in-state options, but those options are beneath some of you apparently.
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Anonymous wrote:As someone earlier has said, VA funds less than 10% of UVAs budget (although this includes the medical center). NC funds 50% of UNC-CHs budget.


THIS
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are you aware the OOS students are paying $20,000 + more each year?


More like 40k more. One of the two most expensive oos schools in the country. Want more Virginians? Pay for it. Vote for it. Or quit whining. oos students are funding your school...


It won’t make a difference. UVA should be sufficiently large enough to handle virtually all of the very top students in the state. It isn’t and therein lies the problem.

Virginia can try to be more like Michigan but that won’t be a solution; Virginia will end up more like Wisconsin if it goes that route — a fine school, but not a school oos students would be willing to pay private school tuition for.


I guess then that UVA doesn’t quite have the “cachet” that some think it does. Michigan, which has the highest tuition for OOS students in the country, has no problem filling its classrooms.

It certainly won’t have the cachet if it lets in 15k more kids!


In other words it’s no Cal, UCLA, or Michigan. Those three schools all have cachet and at least attempt to serve the top students in their respective states. UVA seems to want to keep many of its top students out of the state flagship.


Well, I note in your statement that you cited TWO California schools, Berkeley and UCLA. Students in Virginia can attend more than just UVA.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are you aware the OOS students are paying $20,000 + more each year?


More like 40k more. One of the two most expensive oos schools in the country. Want more Virginians? Pay for it. Vote for it. Or quit whining. oos students are funding your school...


It won’t make a difference. UVA should be sufficiently large enough to handle virtually all of the very top students in the state. It isn’t and therein lies the problem.

Virginia can try to be more like Michigan but that won’t be a solution; Virginia will end up more like Wisconsin if it goes that route — a fine school, but not a school oos students would be willing to pay private school tuition for.


I guess then that UVA doesn’t quite have the “cachet” that some think it does. Michigan, which has the highest tuition for OOS students in the country, has no problem filling its classrooms.

It certainly won’t have the cachet if it lets in 15k more kids!


In other words it’s no Cal, UCLA, or Michigan. Those three schools all have cachet and at least attempt to serve the top students in their respective states. UVA seems to want to keep many of its top students out of the state flagship.


UVA does not have the infrastructure nor the land to enroll the number of students like Michigan, UCLA, and others.
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Anonymous wrote:As someone earlier has said, VA funds less than 10% of UVAs budget (although this includes the medical center). NC funds 50% of UNC-CHs budget.


That isn't correct. The state of North Carolina funds 14% of UNC-CH's total budget. North Carolina does have higher funding per FTE in-state student than Virginia, but the 50% total above is completely off. The General Fund appropriation for UNC is $588M vs about $275M for UVA (including Wise).

https://finance.unc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/298/2023/09/2023-annual-operating-budget-book.pdf
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are you aware the OOS students are paying $20,000 + more each year?


More like 40k more. One of the two most expensive oos schools in the country. Want more Virginians? Pay for it. Vote for it. Or quit whining. oos students are funding your school...


It won’t make a difference. UVA should be sufficiently large enough to handle virtually all of the very top students in the state. It isn’t and therein lies the problem.

Virginia can try to be more like Michigan but that won’t be a solution; Virginia will end up more like Wisconsin if it goes that route — a fine school, but not a school oos students would be willing to pay private school tuition for.


I guess then that UVA doesn’t quite have the “cachet” that some think it does. Michigan, which has the highest tuition for OOS students in the country, has no problem filling its classrooms.

It certainly won’t have the cachet if it lets in 15k more kids!


In other words it’s no Cal, UCLA, or Michigan. Those three schools all have cachet and at least attempt to serve the top students in their respective states. UVA seems to want to keep many of its top students out of the state flagship.


UVA does not have the infrastructure nor the land to enroll the number of students like Michigan, UCLA, and others.


UVA's central campus has 1,100 acres. UCLA has 419. UCLA has nearly 2X as many students. UVA can increase density, just like UCLA did.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are you aware the OOS students are paying $20,000 + more each year?


More like 40k more. One of the two most expensive oos schools in the country. Want more Virginians? Pay for it. Vote for it. Or quit whining. oos students are funding your school...


It won’t make a difference. UVA should be sufficiently large enough to handle virtually all of the very top students in the state. It isn’t and therein lies the problem.

Virginia can try to be more like Michigan but that won’t be a solution; Virginia will end up more like Wisconsin if it goes that route — a fine school, but not a school oos students would be willing to pay private school tuition for.


I guess then that UVA doesn’t quite have the “cachet” that some think it does. Michigan, which has the highest tuition for OOS students in the country, has no problem filling its classrooms.

It certainly won’t have the cachet if it lets in 15k more kids!


In other words it’s no Cal, UCLA, or Michigan. Those three schools all have cachet and at least attempt to serve the top students in their respective states. UVA seems to want to keep many of its top students out of the state flagship.


UVA does not have the infrastructure nor the land to enroll the number of students like Michigan, UCLA, and others.


UVA's central campus has 1,100 acres. UCLA has 419. UCLA has nearly 2X as many students. UVA can increase density, just like UCLA did.


Your so desperate to put that UVA sticker on your car that you don’t care if your kids are packed like sardines in their dorms and classrooms.
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