Netanyahu on CNBC opposes a two state solution for the Palestenians

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Israel is the only democratic government in the area, and the only one that is currently not killing LGBTQ people by throwing them off buildings.

They have a thriving tech sector making products most of use every day and they’re more or less a western style government.

The IS should support an Israeli state, but it should also support something for the Palestinians. How we the US cannot allow what happened on 10/6-10/7 to be the norm.

As far as I’m concerned the US should divest itself from any country over there that doesn’t carry western democratic values. Most of the other countries in the ME were dictatorships or rabbles of Muslim extremists

No Israel is not a democracy. Rough 1/2 of the population has no rights and can not vote. Israel is an apartheid radical religious state. It has no western values as shown by its treatment of the Palestinians. Western Values are defined as liberty, equality and human rights for all not the sole property of one group of people. Most of the “citizens” of Israel come from countries that did not experience the events culminated in western values- the end of serfdom, renaissance, Protestant Reformation, Magna Carta, French Revolution, American revolution, etc.

I have no idea why you are so fixated on LGBTQ when Israel has a very mixed record on it and most of the people in government openly say LGBTQ people are an affront to god and should be killed. Just read and listen to what they ministers say. Israel is much different place vs what you want it to be.

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Anonymous wrote:The NYT just published a long piece in their magazine based on a multiyear investigation which documents "how violent factions within the settler movement have repeatedly received protection from the Israeli government despite attacks against Palestinians — and even against Israeli officials who tried to challenge the settlers...Their story is an account of a sometimes criminal nationalistic movement that has been allowed to operate with impunity and gradually move from the fringes to the mainstream of Israeli society.”

"The Unpunished: How Extremists Took Over Israel
After 50 years of failure to stop violence and terrorism against Palestinians by Jewish ultranationalists, lawlessness has become the law."
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/magazine/israel-west-bank-settler-violence-impunity.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20240516&instance_id=123502&nl=the-morning®i_id=76284337&segment_id=166795&te=1&user_id=6220629ffe78419def9b07accf35c694

It's clear that extremists in Israel (extremist settlers, extreme RW politicians) and extremists among the Palestinians (Hamas and other terrorist groups and their followers), are in control to the detriment of their own people. We see some of that in our own country and in parts of Europe. I think most people are decent and just want to have a good life for themselves and their children. It's the extremists that are the problem--and they exist everywhere.

The West Bank is ruled by a docile Fatah, who is for all intents and purposes a subcontractor to the Israeli security services. They have accepted Israel and denounced violence. What evidence do you have to call them extremists?

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Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

And yet if anyone says the state of Israel should not exist it is antisemitic. It is only allowed to say a Palestinian state should never exist.

Bingo.

That makes no sense. Like learn to write a grammatically correct sentence first. Palestinians are the ones who rejected the two state solution. Nice try in manufactured outrage. You need to brush up on the history of this conflict before posting this trash.

To be clear, the "offer" for the two-state solution that was rejected by Arafat was a proposal for a Palestinian state on 80–90% of the West Bank with limited autonomy in Arab East Jerusalem. No right of return. No Gaza. Not exactly a great offer.

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Back and forth. Tit-for-tat. The violence will never end because both sides continue the fight. Palestine wants to destroy Israel. Israel keeps settling in areas. Neither side trusts each other and for good reason.

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Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

And yet if anyone says the state of Israel should not exist it is antisemitic. It is only allowed to say a Palestinian state should never exist.

Bingo.

That makes no sense. Like learn to write a grammatically correct sentence first. Palestinians are the ones who rejected the two state solution. Nice try in manufactured outrage. You need to brush up on the history of this conflict before posting this trash.

To be clear, the "offer" for the two-state solution that was rejected by Arafat was a proposal for a Palestinian state on 80–90% of the West Bank with limited autonomy in Arab East Jerusalem. No right of return. No Gaza. Not exactly a great offer.

To be fair, it would have included Gaza. Nobody wants responsibility for Gaza.

[Anonymous]

merican Jews are causing this tragedy.

the US would not be giving so much support to Israel/Zionism without American Jews driving the financing.

Under the guise of charitable donations, tens of millions of dollars are regularly sent to Israel in the form of "tax-deductible gifts for Jewish settlement in the West Bank and East Jerusalem," the New York Times reported. Much of the money, falsely promoted as donations for educational and religious purposes, often finds its way to funding and purchasing housing for illegal settlers, "as well as guard dogs, bulletproof vests, rifle scopes and vehicles to secure (illegal Jewish) outposts deep in occupied (Palestinian) areas."

Quite often, US money ends up in the Israeli government's coffers under deceptive pretenses. For example, the latest Stimulus Package includes $50 million to fund the Nita M. Lowey Middle East Partnership for Peace Funds, supposedly to provide investments in "people-to-people exchanges and economic cooperation ... between Israelis and Palestinians with the goal of supporting a negotiated and sustainable two-state solution."

Actually, such money serves no particular purpose, since Washington and Tel Aviv endeavor to ensure the demise of a negotiated peace agreement and work hand-in-hand to kill the now defunct two-state solution.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/12/31/us-money-tree-untold-story-american-aid-israel

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:merican Jews are causing this tragedy.

the US would not be giving so much support to Israel/Zionism without American Jews driving the financing.

Under the guise of charitable donations, tens of millions of dollars are regularly sent to Israel in the form of "tax-deductible gifts for Jewish settlement in the West Bank and East Jerusalem," the New York Times reported. Much of the money, falsely promoted as donations for educational and religious purposes, often finds its way to funding and purchasing housing for illegal settlers, "as well as guard dogs, bulletproof vests, rifle scopes and vehicles to secure (illegal Jewish) outposts deep in occupied (Palestinian) areas."

Quite often, US money ends up in the Israeli government's coffers under deceptive pretenses. For example, the latest Stimulus Package includes $50 million to fund the Nita M. Lowey Middle East Partnership for Peace Funds, supposedly to provide investments in "people-to-people exchanges and economic cooperation ... between Israelis and Palestinians with the goal of supporting a negotiated and sustainable two-state solution."

Actually, such money serves no particular purpose, since Washington and Tel Aviv endeavor to ensure the demise of a negotiated peace agreement and work hand-in-hand to kill the now defunct two-state solution.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/12/31/us-money-tree-untold-story-american-aid-israel

I don't care what the issue is, it should be illegal for Congress to fund NGO's named after Congressmembers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is this a new thread? Should be in Gaza one.

Why do you want everything in one super long thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Well Arafat turned down a two state solution when Ehub Barak offered it.

Sad but true.
Right wing parties in Israel didn’t want it either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:merican Jews are causing this tragedy.

the US would not be giving so much support to Israel/Zionism without American Jews driving the financing.

Under the guise of charitable donations, tens of millions of dollars are regularly sent to Israel in the form of "tax-deductible gifts for Jewish settlement in the West Bank and East Jerusalem," the New York Times reported. Much of the money, falsely promoted as donations for educational and religious purposes, often finds its way to funding and purchasing housing for illegal settlers, "as well as guard dogs, bulletproof vests, rifle scopes and vehicles to secure (illegal Jewish) outposts deep in occupied (Palestinian) areas."

Quite often, US money ends up in the Israeli government's coffers under deceptive pretenses. For example, the latest Stimulus Package includes $50 million to fund the Nita M. Lowey Middle East Partnership for Peace Funds, supposedly to provide investments in "people-to-people exchanges and economic cooperation ... between Israelis and Palestinians with the goal of supporting a negotiated and sustainable two-state solution."

Actually, such money serves no particular purpose, since Washington and Tel Aviv endeavor to ensure the demise of a negotiated peace agreement and work hand-in-hand to kill the now defunct two-state solution.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/12/31/us-money-tree-untold-story-american-aid-israel

No, American Evangelicals care very deeply for Israel. They support Israel more than many American Jews. They will never support Palestine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:merican Jews are causing this tragedy.

the US would not be giving so much support to Israel/Zionism without American Jews driving the financing.

Under the guise of charitable donations, tens of millions of dollars are regularly sent to Israel in the form of "tax-deductible gifts for Jewish settlement in the West Bank and East Jerusalem," the New York Times reported. Much of the money, falsely promoted as donations for educational and religious purposes, often finds its way to funding and purchasing housing for illegal settlers, "as well as guard dogs, bulletproof vests, rifle scopes and vehicles to secure (illegal Jewish) outposts deep in occupied (Palestinian) areas."

Quite often, US money ends up in the Israeli government's coffers under deceptive pretenses. For example, the latest Stimulus Package includes $50 million to fund the Nita M. Lowey Middle East Partnership for Peace Funds, supposedly to provide investments in "people-to-people exchanges and economic cooperation ... between Israelis and Palestinians with the goal of supporting a negotiated and sustainable two-state solution."

Actually, such money serves no particular purpose, since Washington and Tel Aviv endeavor to ensure the demise of a negotiated peace agreement and work hand-in-hand to kill the now defunct two-state solution.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/12/31/us-money-tree-untold-story-american-aid-israel

No, American Evangelicals care very deeply for Israel. They support Israel more than many American Jews. They will never support Palestine.

They have fallen from about 30% in the 1990 to 14% today. That number will continue to shrink. Also Jewish population in the US is projected to decline slightly. The growth in US population will be is Hispanic, Asians and blacks which have no connection to Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

Because a Jewish state assumes a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule. That's why.

Why does there have to be a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian people. In what other circumstances do we allow ethno and religious states? We didn't allow America to become a "White" country. No one split South Africa into two.

If Jewish people want to live in Israel, fine, but you don't get to cleanse the place of everyone else who lives there, and you don't get to disenfranchise those people and treat them as second class citizens. It's not a sustainable solution and was never an appropriate response to the Holocaust. It just feeds into this idea of Jewish supremacy, and isn't any different than white supremacy and other such nonsense.

It is different, though. Sorry but Jews are special. Truly they’ve been persecuted throughout history and everyone kinda hates them. If they want to be left alone to in their own state, it’s the most reasonable basis for “supremacy” that ever existed.

I don’t buy that propaganda, Jews are no more special than anyone else.
And by the way, the Gypsies in Europe have been persecuted more

Name another group that’s been persecuted as a matter of government policy (not just random bigotry) as much?

Roma (wtf with “Gypsies”) are itinerant and don’t want a state, so it’s not a good analogy. If they did, however, maybe they’d have similar claim to necessary protection.

Roma were persecuted as a matter or government policy in many places in Europe throughout the centuries.

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Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

Because a Jewish state assumes a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule. That's why.

Why does there have to be a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian people. In what other circumstances do we allow ethno and religious states? We didn't allow America to become a "White" country. No one split South Africa into two.

If Jewish people want to live in Israel, fine, but you don't get to cleanse the place of everyone else who lives there, and you don't get to disenfranchise those people and treat them as second class citizens. It's not a sustainable solution and was never an appropriate response to the Holocaust. It just feeds into this idea of Jewish supremacy, and isn't any different than white supremacy and other such nonsense.

It is different, though. Sorry but Jews are special. Truly they’ve been persecuted throughout history and everyone kinda hates them. If they want to be left alone to in their own state, it’s the most reasonable basis for “supremacy” that ever existed.

I don’t buy that propaganda, Jews are no more special than anyone else.
And by the way, the Gypsies in Europe have been persecuted more

Name another group that’s been persecuted as a matter of government policy (not just random bigotry) as much?

Roma (wtf with “Gypsies”) are itinerant and don’t want a state, so it’s not a good analogy. If they did, however, maybe they’d have similar claim to necessary protection.

Plenty
The native Americans, black slaves in the US, the Russian rule has always been brutal to all ethnic minorities, plenty oppressed in China, South America has its own stories, Zulu empire was brutal

The list goes on

Sorry, none of those come close. And I’m Black btw. “Black slaves” aren’t one people, anyway. They weren’t subject to genocide. Tons and tons of groups have been enslaved over human history - it’s not the same thing. The Native Americans died more from disease than genocide and in any event, if they are your example, they have their own sovereign areas in the US where they insist on their own special rules (they decide who is an official member of the nation, etc.), so why won’t you let Israel do that same thing??

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Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

Because a Jewish state assumes a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule. That's why.

Why does there have to be a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian people. In what other circumstances do we allow ethno and religious states? We didn't allow America to become a "White" country. No one split South Africa into two.

If Jewish people want to live in Israel, fine, but you don't get to cleanse the place of everyone else who lives there, and you don't get to disenfranchise those people and treat them as second class citizens. It's not a sustainable solution and was never an appropriate response to the Holocaust. It just feeds into this idea of Jewish supremacy, and isn't any different than white supremacy and other such nonsense.

It is different, though. Sorry but Jews are special. Truly they’ve been persecuted throughout history and everyone kinda hates them. If they want to be left alone to in their own state, it’s the most reasonable basis for “supremacy” that ever existed.

I don’t buy that propaganda, Jews are no more special than anyone else.
And by the way, the Gypsies in Europe have been persecuted more

Name another group that’s been persecuted as a matter of government policy (not just random bigotry) as much?

Roma (wtf with “Gypsies”) are itinerant and don’t want a state, so it’s not a good analogy. If they did, however, maybe they’d have similar claim to necessary protection.

Roma were persecuted as a matter or government policy in many places in Europe throughout the centuries.

Great, but you ignored the salient difference I pointed out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

with a permanent underclass, America is hardly a shining example