What to tell relatives 'on the fence'

[Anonymous]

I care more about my daughter being raped and forced to carry a baby than I am about her having to share a locker room with a transgendered female.

[Anonymous]

Paul Ryan, former VP nominee and Speaker of the House, won't vote for Trump this fall. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4650934-paul-ryan-donald-trump-2024-election-voting/

“Character is too important to me,” Ryan, who left Congress in 2019, told Yahoo Finance at the Milken Global Institute Conference. “And it’s a job that requires the kind of character that he just doesn’t have.”

I guess if your relatives are traditional conservatives, this might mean something. Just a reminder to the MAGAs of just another former high ranking GOP member who doesn't support him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a centrist voter, and I'll vote for Biden b/c he's the kind of politician I grew up with.

He's normal. Won't rock the boat (by leaving NATO to give one example). Will stay in the center on the important issues.

America has done just fine and will continue to do just fine under his leadership.

Trump, OTOH, is volatile. Unpredictable. Impulsive. Not a "normal" middle-of-the-road politician.

When it comes to Presidents, I'll take "ok" over "wild" every single time.

Knocked a lot of doors in Midwest for Obama and that's nearly verbatim from a number of folks who answered the door. Lots felt Obama seemed calm while McCain struck them as irrational, just at the time that the economy was tanking.

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Except that most Americans don’t agree with that PP that “America has done just fine” under Biden. Polls show people think the country is going on the wrong direction and are dissatisfied with Biden’s leadership. The campus protests and conflict in the Middle East aren’t convincing people that things are going smoothly, domestic or overseas. People are comparing life under each presidency and preferring the former.

I'm the "doing just fine" PP.

I think people just like to complain, and/or have become increasingly utopian.

Compared to any other decade of my life, America is indeed doing just fine.

Plenty of room for improvement, but I'll take slow/incremental improvement over unpredictability all day.

Puts me firmly in the Biden camp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they think Biden is way too old, then the same argument applies to Trump

Honestly I don't think you are going to convince them, they are voting for Trump, they just don't want to say it.

+1. I don’t understand anyone who claims to be on the fence at this point, I really don’t. Both are well known entities at this point and you know what you’re going to get.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have several relatives who do NOT vote party lines and voted Trump the first time, but most abstained from voting for president in 2020.
They saw their investments go up under Trump and hate politiicians so are naturally more drawn to his personality than say Biden.

Has anyone found anything that moved the needle for someone over to Dems.
To me, if you can't see one is saying he wants to be a dictator and tear down America (they know he says this and think its all talk); than i don't know what to say.

They think Biden is way too old and really hate Harris (no reason really, just a West Coast out of touch Lib") They tend more toward Sherod Brown from OH not Bernie Sanders. They even think Joe Manchin is too far right for their liking.

Truly middle of the road who worry about immigration adn think Trump is the guy. The other stuff he says is 'just talk' and not to worry.

What do they say when you ask about Trump, not in office, torpedoing the legislation that was all the GOP had wanted? Biden and the Democrats were willing to it to them to shut them up. The GOP got their wishlist and then killed it to keep Trump happy. So is immigration actually important to Republicans or was it a cudgel?

Are they aware of Project 2025 and how the GOP plans to make America into a country with thick and unsolvable partisanship and corruption?

Do they care about women’s rights at all? If so - Roe is gone. The GOP has signaled they will ban abortion and birth control nationwide.

Do they care about loyalty? The GOP did try to overthrow the government and shows more fealty to Russia than it does to the US.

This is what democrats don't get. First, they cannot even define what a woman is, so what really are women's rights?

Once you get established, women are more than a uterus. Biden is taking away the rights of women every day by allowing men into our spaces.

[b]Biden has made it clear he will wipe out women's and girls sports in 2025 if he is reelected. [/b]

No one is making birth control illegal. Stop with that crazy, it is not helping your cause.

Most countries have limits on elective abortion, what is wrong with having the same here?

As far as Russia is concerned, I am willing to bet you are all whipped up about Biden sending money to Israel, but are A-Ok with a blank check for Ukraine. People see that hypocrisy.

You cannot say this enough!!!!!

People who truly care about women's rights should be much more concerned about Biden's actions regarding Title IX.

Ah yes, potential changes to some extracurricular sports activities or permanent potential life threatening consequences due to outlawing abortion and democracy. Different priorities I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I care more about my daughter being raped and forced to carry a baby than I am about her having to share a locker room with a transgendered female.

word.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I care more about my daughter being raped and forced to carry a baby than I am about her having to share a locker room with a transgendered female.

Plan B is sold over the counter for all ages and genders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a centrist voter, and I'll vote for Biden b/c he's the kind of politician I grew up with.

He's normal. Won't rock the boat (by leaving NATO to give one example). Will stay in the center on the important issues.

America has done just fine and will continue to do just fine under his leadership.

Trump, OTOH, is volatile. Unpredictable. Impulsive. Not a "normal" middle-of-the-road politician.

When it comes to Presidents, I'll take "ok" over "wild" every single time.

Knocked a lot of doors in Midwest for Obama and that's nearly verbatim from a number of folks who answered the door. Lots felt Obama seemed calm while McCain struck them as irrational, just at the time that the economy was tanking.

.

Except that most Americans don’t agree with that PP that “America has done just fine” under Biden. Polls show people think the country is going on the wrong direction and are dissatisfied with Biden’s leadership. The campus protests and conflict in the Middle East aren’t convincing people that things are going smoothly, domestic or overseas. People are comparing life under each presidency and preferring the former.

I'm the "doing just fine" PP.

I think people just like to complain, and/or have become increasingly utopian.

Compared to any other decade of my life, America is indeed doing just fine.

Plenty of room for improvement, but I'll take slow/incremental improvement over unpredictability all day.

Puts me firmly in the Biden camp.

This post isn’t about voters like you. It’s about moderate voters that might be amendable to changing their votes if OP is convincing. Suggesting that “people like to complain” or are simply “utopian” or that America is “doing just fine” is NOT it if you want to persuade them to vote for Biden. But since I’m not a Biden voter, go forth and do you! I’m sure it will work…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they think Biden is way too old, then the same argument applies to Trump

Honestly I don't think you are going to convince them, they are voting for Trump, they just don't want to say it.

+1. I don’t understand anyone who claims to be on the fence at this point, I really don’t. Both are well known entities at this point and you know what you’re going to get.

They are both lousy candidates. I totally get how someone could be on the fence with the options is two very bad options.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a centrist voter, and I'll vote for Biden b/c he's the kind of politician I grew up with.

He's normal. Won't rock the boat (by leaving NATO to give one example). Will stay in the center on the important issues.

America has done just fine and will continue to do just fine under his leadership.

Trump, OTOH, is volatile. Unpredictable. Impulsive. Not a "normal" middle-of-the-road politician.

When it comes to Presidents, I'll take "ok" over "wild" every single time.

Knocked a lot of doors in Midwest for Obama and that's nearly verbatim from a number of folks who answered the door. Lots felt Obama seemed calm while McCain struck them as irrational, just at the time that the economy was tanking.

.

Except that most Americans don’t agree with that PP that “America has done just fine” under Biden. Polls show people think the country is going on the wrong direction and are dissatisfied with Biden’s leadership. The campus protests and conflict in the Middle East aren’t convincing people that things are going smoothly, domestic or overseas. People are comparing life under each presidency and preferring the former.

I'm the "doing just fine" PP.

I think people just like to complain, and/or have become increasingly utopian.

Compared to any other decade of my life, America is indeed doing just fine.

Plenty of room for improvement, but I'll take slow/incremental improvement over unpredictability all day.

Puts me firmly in the Biden camp.

This post isn’t about voters like you. It’s about moderate voters that might be amendable to changing their votes if OP is convincing. Suggesting that “people like to complain” or are simply “utopian” or that America is “doing just fine” is NOT it if you want to persuade them to vote for Biden. But since I’m not a Biden voter, go forth and do you! I’m sure it will work…

PP here.

It IS about voters like me. I'm a centrist who's voted for both R's and D's (including in the last election).

And I do think persuading centrists that America is inherently stable (and generally awesome) is a winning message for people like me. We're fine. The only thing that can make us NOT fine is undisciplined, erratic, destabilizing policies. Leaving NATO, for example.

I grant you that this NOT a winning message for social media a**hats or TV hosts who need fear and outrage for clicks/views.

So you do you. I like America, and I think most moderates agree with me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a centrist voter, and I'll vote for Biden b/c he's the kind of politician I grew up with.

He's normal. Won't rock the boat (by leaving NATO to give one example). Will stay in the center on the important issues.

America has done just fine and will continue to do just fine under his leadership.

Trump, OTOH, is volatile. Unpredictable. Impulsive. Not a "normal" middle-of-the-road politician.

When it comes to Presidents, I'll take "ok" over "wild" every single time.

Knocked a lot of doors in Midwest for Obama and that's nearly verbatim from a number of folks who answered the door. Lots felt Obama seemed calm while McCain struck them as irrational, just at the time that the economy was tanking.

.

Except that most Americans don’t agree with that PP that “America has done just fine” under Biden. Polls show people think the country is going on the wrong direction and are dissatisfied with Biden’s leadership. The campus protests and conflict in the Middle East aren’t convincing people that things are going smoothly, domestic or overseas. People are comparing life under each presidency and preferring the former.

I'm the "doing just fine" PP.

I think people just like to complain, and/or have become increasingly utopian.

Compared to any other decade of my life, America is indeed doing just fine.

Plenty of room for improvement, but I'll take slow/incremental improvement over unpredictability all day.

Puts me firmly in the Biden camp.

This post isn’t about voters like you. It’s about moderate voters that might be amendable to changing their votes if OP is convincing. Suggesting that “people like to complain” or are simply “utopian” or that America is “doing just fine” is NOT it if you want to persuade them to vote for Biden. But since I’m not a Biden voter, go forth and do you! I’m sure it will work…

OP is not going to convince anyone. Who is he? What secret knowledge does he have to share that no one has heard already. You mistake passion for influence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they think Biden is way too old, then the same argument applies to Trump

Honestly I don't think you are going to convince them, they are voting for Trump, they just don't want to say it.

+1. I don’t understand anyone who claims to be on the fence at this point, I really don’t. Both are well known entities at this point and you know what you’re going to get.

They are both lousy candidates. I totally get how someone could be on the fence with the options is two very bad options.

That’s like saying you’re on the fence about which medical condition you’d rather suffer because pink eye and Stage 4 pancreatic cancer are both bad options.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a centrist voter, and I'll vote for Biden b/c he's the kind of politician I grew up with.

He's normal. Won't rock the boat (by leaving NATO to give one example). Will stay in the center on the important issues.

America has done just fine and will continue to do just fine under his leadership.

Trump, OTOH, is volatile. Unpredictable. Impulsive. Not a "normal" middle-of-the-road politician.

When it comes to Presidents, I'll take "ok" over "wild" every single time.

Knocked a lot of doors in Midwest for Obama and that's nearly verbatim from a number of folks who answered the door. Lots felt Obama seemed calm while McCain struck them as irrational, just at the time that the economy was tanking.

.

Except that most Americans don’t agree with that PP that “America has done just fine” under Biden. Polls show people think the country is going on the wrong direction and are dissatisfied with Biden’s leadership. The campus protests and conflict in the Middle East aren’t convincing people that things are going smoothly, domestic or overseas. People are comparing life under each presidency and preferring the former.

I'm the "doing just fine" PP.

I think people just like to complain, and/or have become increasingly utopian.

Compared to any other decade of my life, America is indeed doing just fine.

Plenty of room for improvement, but I'll take slow/incremental improvement over unpredictability all day.

Puts me firmly in the Biden camp.

This post isn’t about voters like you. It’s about moderate voters that might be amendable to changing their votes if OP is convincing. Suggesting that “people like to complain” or are simply “utopian” or that America is “doing just fine” is NOT it if you want to persuade them to vote for Biden. But since I’m not a Biden voter, go forth and do you! I’m sure it will work…

PP here.

It IS about voters like me. I'm a centrist who's voted for both R's and D's (including in the last election).

And I do think persuading centrists that America is inherently stable (and generally awesome) is a winning message for people like me. We're fine. The only thing that can make us NOT fine is undisciplined, erratic, destabilizing policies. Leaving NATO, for example.

I grant you that this NOT a winning message for social media a**hats or TV hosts who need fear and outrage for clicks/views.

So you do you. I like America, and I think most moderates agree with me.

Your spin to make this about liking America is juvenile. Your post wasn’t about “liking America”, it was a suggestion for OP that to move the needle with her Trump-leaning relatives, the answer is to gaslight them into thinking that America is doing just fine when poll after poll shows that voters are concerned about the direction of the country. Again, if you think that is the answer for converting people to the Biden side, then go for it. I actually think Biden thinks the same way and that’s why he is losing to a man sitting in a courtroom.

[Anonymous]

It’s like Biden’s response in the CNN interview about the rising cost of groceries (highest in thirty years) -
“Americans have money to spend!” I mean, sure that is one way to persuade OP’s family. I am not seeing how it’s a good message though.

[Anonymous]

There is no need. Staying home isn’t going to hurt Trump.