UVA vs VT for CS

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Anonymous wrote:Both are great schools but if I had a stem kid I would choose VT and then go to UVA for grad business school later on.

But it is more difficult to get into UVA's grad student if not an undergrad. Same


Grad schoo with the UVA law school.

Why do you say that? Most grad school admissions are stat driven.

Grad schools protect their own university. Go look up the number of UVA grad at UVA law. Or Harvard grads at Harvard.

Schools that take rankings seriously generally take kids with the top stats (GPA and LSAT). They can't afford not to as it will impact their ranking.

There will be a lot more applicants to UVA Law from UVA than from UCLA, for example. Why? Geographic preference, finances, familiarity, etc. I would bet if they had a similarly qualified UCLA applicant vs. a UVA applicant, though, there would not be a preference for the UVA applicant.

I don't see a listing of Harvard Law by undergraduate school. UVA Law does produce an annual summary of the top undergraduate schools for enrolling students. You are right that UVA is the top school, but over 10 years, UVA has 228 to 92 for William and Mary, another in-state school with pretty high stat kids. Given the undergraduate enrollment of UVA is 2.6X higher, William and Mary is doing just as well on a per capita basis. I think UVA Law is largely the most qualified (GPA and LSAT).

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Undergraduate school could be a tie breaker for graduate school, but med, law, MBA etc. schools will want to keep their admitted class stats high.

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Anonymous wrote:USNWR ranks VT higher for CS. UVA has more prestige. Which would you pick?

Last time I checked a few months ago VT was about 10 spots lower than UVA but neither are stellar. Curiously GMU was higher than VT.

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Anonymous wrote:USNWR ranks VT higher for CS. UVA has more prestige. Which would you pick?

Last time I checked a few months ago VT was about 10 spots lower than UVA but neither are stellar. Curiously GMU was higher than VT.

Huh? Last time you checked? USNWR issues an annual ranking each September and no Mason is not higher than either school.

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Anonymous wrote:USNWR ranks VT higher for CS. UVA has more prestige. Which would you pick?

Last time I checked a few months ago VT was about 10 spots lower than UVA but neither are stellar. Curiously GMU was higher than VT.

Huh? Last time you checked? USNWR issues an annual ranking each September and no Mason is not higher than either school.

VT is 30 per USNWR for engineering, UVA shortly behind at 37 and GMU at 82

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Both are great schools but if I had a stem kid I would choose VT and then go to UVA for grad business school later on.

But it is more difficult to get into UVA's grad student if not an undergrad. Same


Grad schoo with the UVA law school.

Why do you say that? Most grad school admissions are stat driven.

Grad schools protect their own university. Go look up the number of UVA grad at UVA law. Or Harvard grads at Harvard.

Schools that take rankings seriously generally take kids with the top stats (GPA and LSAT). They can't afford not to as it will impact their ranking.

There will be a lot more applicants to UVA Law from UVA than from UCLA, for example. Why? Geographic preference, finances, familiarity, etc. I would bet if they had a similarly qualified UCLA applicant vs. a UVA applicant, though, there would not be a preference for the UVA applicant.

I don't see a listing of Harvard Law by undergraduate school. UVA Law does produce an annual summary of the top undergraduate schools for enrolling students. You are right that UVA is the top school, but over 10 years, UVA has 228 to 92 for William and Mary, another in-state school with pretty high stat kids. Given the undergraduate enrollment of UVA is 2.6X higher, William and Mary is doing just as well on a per capita basis. I think UVA Law is largely the most qualified (GPA and LSAT).

I think you are forgetting that UVA Law is still a public. Class of 2026 law has 30 UVA students in it, followed by a big drop to UMCP at 11, 7 from Georgetown, 6 from Penn and 5 from Yale and so on. https://www.law.virginia.edu/admissions/class-2026-profile. There is still a slight monetary benefit to UVA Law for in-state but it's almost insignificant with in-state UVA law at $98, 730 and OOS at $101,370

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USNWR rankings are worthless.

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Anonymous wrote:USNWR rankings are worthless.

That's because your favored school isn't highly ranked. Noted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both are great schools but if I had a stem kid I would choose VT and then go to UVA for grad business school later on.

But it is more difficult to get into UVA's grad student if not an undergrad. Same


Grad schoo with the UVA law school.

Why do you say that? Most grad school admissions are stat driven.

Grad schools protect their own university. Go look up the number of UVA grad at UVA law. Or Harvard grads at Harvard.

Schools that take rankings seriously generally take kids with the top stats (GPA and LSAT). They can't afford not to as it will impact their ranking.

There will be a lot more applicants to UVA Law from UVA than from UCLA, for example. Why? Geographic preference, finances, familiarity, etc. I would bet if they had a similarly qualified UCLA applicant vs. a UVA applicant, though, there would not be a preference for the UVA applicant.

I don't see a listing of Harvard Law by undergraduate school. UVA Law does produce an annual summary of the top undergraduate schools for enrolling students. You are right that UVA is the top school, but over 10 years, UVA has 228 to 92 for William and Mary, another in-state school with pretty high stat kids. Given the undergraduate enrollment of UVA is 2.6X higher, William and Mary is doing just as well on a per capita basis. I think UVA Law is largely the most qualified (GPA and LSAT).

Right here. There are 147 institutions represented in the 1L at Harvard Law for 2023-2024. The rest of the 600 in the class are most likely Harvard grads. Harvard grads made up 35% of the entering law class when I attended.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both are great schools but if I had a stem kid I would choose VT and then go to UVA for grad business school later on.

But it is more difficult to get into UVA's grad student if not an undergrad. Same


Grad schoo with the UVA law school.

Why do you say that? Most grad school admissions are stat driven.

Grad schools protect their own university. Go look up the number of UVA grad at UVA law. Or Harvard grads at Harvard.

Schools that take rankings seriously generally take kids with the top stats (GPA and LSAT). They can't afford not to as it will impact their ranking.

There will be a lot more applicants to UVA Law from UVA than from UCLA, for example. Why? Geographic preference, finances, familiarity, etc. I would bet if they had a similarly qualified UCLA applicant vs. a UVA applicant, though, there would not be a preference for the UVA applicant.

I don't see a listing of Harvard Law by undergraduate school. UVA Law does produce an annual summary of the top undergraduate schools for enrolling students. You are right that UVA is the top school, but over 10 years, UVA has 228 to 92 for William and Mary, another in-state school with pretty high stat kids. Given the undergraduate enrollment of UVA is 2.6X higher, William and Mary is doing just as well on a per capita basis. I think UVA Law is largely the most qualified (GPA and LSAT).

I think you are forgetting that UVA Law is still a public. Class of 2026 law has 30 UVA students in it, followed by a big drop to UMCP at 11, 7 from Georgetown, 6 from Penn and 5 from Yale and so on. https://www.law.virginia.edu/admissions/class-2026-profile. There is still a slight monetary benefit to UVA Law for in-state but it's almost insignificant with in-state UVA law at $98, 730 and OOS at $101,370

No. Didn't forget that it is nominally public. The point was you would expect to see more UVA than UCLA not because of UVA Law preference for UVA undergrads, but due to finances, familiarity, and geography. More UVA grads apply. I looked up William and Mary over time and see that they have a similar proportion enrolling over time as UVA. I think this suggests UVA Law is really looking at stats/qualifications. They would jeopardize their ranking if they didn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both are great schools but if I had a stem kid I would choose VT and then go to UVA for grad business school later on.

But it is more difficult to get into UVA's grad student if not an undergrad. Same


Grad schoo with the UVA law school.

Why do you say that? Most grad school admissions are stat driven.

Grad schools protect their own university. Go look up the number of UVA grad at UVA law. Or Harvard grads at Harvard.

Schools that take rankings seriously generally take kids with the top stats (GPA and LSAT). They can't afford not to as it will impact their ranking.

There will be a lot more applicants to UVA Law from UVA than from UCLA, for example. Why? Geographic preference, finances, familiarity, etc. I would bet if they had a similarly qualified UCLA applicant vs. a UVA applicant, though, there would not be a preference for the UVA applicant.

I don't see a listing of Harvard Law by undergraduate school. UVA Law does produce an annual summary of the top undergraduate schools for enrolling students. You are right that UVA is the top school, but over 10 years, UVA has 228 to 92 for William and Mary, another in-state school with pretty high stat kids. Given the undergraduate enrollment of UVA is 2.6X higher, William and Mary is doing just as well on a per capita basis. I think UVA Law is largely the most qualified (GPA and LSAT).

Right here. There are 147 institutions represented in the 1L at Harvard Law for 2023-2024. The rest of the 600 in the class are most likely Harvard grads. Harvard grads made up 35% of the entering law class when I attended.

The 1L doesn't have counts. You can't analyze without counts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:USNWR ranks VT higher for CS. UVA has more prestige. Which would you pick?

Last time I checked a few months ago VT was about 10 spots lower than UVA but neither are stellar. Curiously GMU was higher than VT.

Huh? Last time you checked? USNWR issues an annual ranking each September and no Mason is not higher than either school.

VT is 30 per USNWR for engineering, UVA shortly behind at 37 and GMU at 82

OMG. This thread is about CS.
VT 27
UVA 33
GMU 100

[Anonymous]

Rankings change. I wouldn’t pick based on that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is a smaller school. If your child goes to VT, they are competing against a lot more CS students. I’d take the UVA route personally.

Yes, but you will be paying $10K/year more at UVA for the same degree.

The same degree, not the same experience, and not the same network. Dive into what that 10,000 extra brings. I’m sure you can easily find the difference if you explore both school tours.

Keep drinking the prestige kool-aid that we are better than everyone. UVA engineering students don't have access to the largest engineering expo for full-time employment and internship opportunities right on campus, https://www.sec.vt.edu/expo.html.

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USNWR ranks VT higher for CS. UVA has more prestige. Which would you pick?

Last time I checked a few months ago VT was about 10 spots lower than UVA but neither are stellar. Curiously GMU was higher than VT.
Huh? Last time you checked? USNWR issues an annual ranking each September and no Mason is not higher than either school.


VT is 30 per USNWR for engineering, UVA shortly behind at 37 and GMU at 82

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