UW Madison horribly underrated

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Anonymous wrote:Too cold.

It's not quite as cold as it used to be. WI has warmed 2 to 3°F since 1950 and will continue to warm. Average temperatures will supposedly approach those of southern Illinois and Missouri in the coming decades, and it is predicted it will warm 2 to 8°F more by 2050.
https://dnr.wisconsin.gov/climatechange/science#:~:text=Wisconsin%20is%20likely%20to%20become,by%202050%20(Figure%205).

UW Madison has a lot going for it. The campus is beautiful, the school has excellent facilities, and academics are very good.

Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan have fairly similar flagship universities, imo. They're all underrated, even Michigan.

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Anonymous wrote:It accepts 1/2 its students and is an easy admit. It is ranked #35 by US News — about 20 spots too high. It is overrated, not underrated.

Compare OOS to in-state for admissions and you will come to a different conclusion.

You really want to go there? Texas is #32. Compare their oos rates and you will come to my conclusion. More importantly, the fact that Wisconsin accepts basically all of its in-state students does not speak highly of the school at the undergraduate level; it means, once again, that it is overrated.

Wisconsin’s in state acceptance is high because they have dozens of campuses. Only the top students are accepted to Madison.

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Anonymous wrote:Wisconsin has excellent graduate programs.

For undergrad study, it lacks diversity, is very cold, and is a major party school.

The NU "hazing scandal" was blown out of proportion & highly exaggerated.

Students are applying to U Wisconsin because they have a chance of being offered admission whereas Northwestern University has less than a 7% admit rate.

Not everyone has a half million dollar budget for college, either.

Northwestern University is an incredibly wealthy school which offers generous meets-full-need financial aid. Also, if budget is a major concern,then why pay non-resident tuition at U Wisconsin ?

I guess you’ve missed all the threads about parents who are too rich for aid and not rich enough to pay $80,000 a year. Wisconsin costs half that and it’s very typical tuition for a state school.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a top 50 school along with 49 others. If you had your choice between university of Florida, University of Georgia, University of North Carolina, why would you ever go to Wisconsin?

Because it is awesome and one of the best college experiences in the country. Duh.

Clearly, you haven’t spent any time down south.

Many times. No thanks.

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No Michigan is not rated higher in math by most rankings; anyone involved in the math world knows this (except for lay parents). USNWR is the only standout ranking, ARWU, CWRU, QS all have UW's math higher. Also for most subjects in the college of letters and science UW has ranked higher historically. Look at the 15 year average for UW Madison for UMich in terms of these kinds of departments, even on US News UW averages out. But that makes sense, UW has much more noticeable alumni than UMich in virtually any field, including Sterling Professor of History David Blight and University Professor at Harvard Gary King. Umich doesn't really have any influential alumni in academia, largely because their entire L and S program is a fluke. Umich never was all that good at L and S programs, they simply hyperfocused on their business, law, and medical schools. Eventually that payed off for them, because they were able to grow their endowment to finance their L and S programs significantly over the last 10 years, while Wisconsin suffered budget cuts. Is it really a coincidence that Umich's school of education rose in from a rank of 11 in 2012 to 1 in 2023? Or history which went from 21 to 2 in the same year span? Or math which went from 18 to 11? Back in 2012, Wisc'a education rank was 1, history was 7, and math was 5. Ultimately, though, Wisconsin has always been the better university for well academics, while Umich has always been the professional school. Notable alumni lists between the schools speak for themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:No Michigan is not rated higher in math by most rankings; anyone involved in the math world knows this (except for lay parents). USNWR is the only standout ranking, ARWU, CWRU, QS all have UW's math higher. Also for most subjects in the college of letters and science UW has ranked higher historically. Look at the 15 year average for UW Madison for UMich in terms of these kinds of departments, even on US News UW averages out. But that makes sense, UW has much more noticeable alumni than UMich in virtually any field, including Sterling Professor of History David Blight and University Professor at Harvard Gary King. Umich doesn't really have any influential alumni in academia, largely because their entire L and S program is a fluke. Umich never was all that good at L and S programs, they simply hyperfocused on their business, law, and medical schools. Eventually that payed off for them, because they were able to grow their endowment to finance their L and S programs significantly over the last 10 years, while Wisconsin suffered budget cuts. Is it really a coincidence that Umich's school of education rose in from a rank of 11 in 2012 to 1 in 2023? Or history which went from 21 to 2 in the same year span? Or math which went from 18 to 11? Back in 2012, Wisc'a education rank was 1, history was 7, and math was 5. Ultimately, though, Wisconsin has always been the better university for well academics, while Umich has always been the professional school. Notable alumni lists between the schools speak for themselves.

Ok.

But maybe have someone in the English Department introduce the Math Department to this concept called paragraphs.

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Anonymous wrote:No Michigan is not rated higher in math by most rankings; anyone involved in the math world knows this (except for lay parents). USNWR is the only standout ranking, ARWU, CWRU, QS all have UW's math higher. Also for most subjects in the college of letters and science UW has ranked higher historically. Look at the 15 year average for UW Madison for UMich in terms of these kinds of departments, even on US News UW averages out. But that makes sense, UW has much more noticeable alumni than UMich in virtually any field, including Sterling Professor of History David Blight and University Professor at Harvard Gary King. Umich doesn't really have any influential alumni in academia, largely because their entire L and S program is a fluke. Umich never was all that good at L and S programs, they simply hyperfocused on their business, law, and medical schools. Eventually that payed off for them, because they were able to grow their endowment to finance their L and S programs significantly over the last 10 years, while Wisconsin suffered budget cuts. Is it really a coincidence that Umich's school of education rose in from a rank of 11 in 2012 to 1 in 2023? Or history which went from 21 to 2 in the same year span? Or math which went from 18 to 11? Back in 2012, Wisc'a education rank was 1, history was 7, and math was 5. Ultimately, though, Wisconsin has always been the better university for well academics, while Umich has always been the professional school. Notable alumni lists between the schools speak for themselves.

Ok.

But maybe have someone in the English Department introduce the Math Department to this concept called paragraphs.

lol. You beat me to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No Michigan is not rated higher in math by most rankings; anyone involved in the math world knows this (except for lay parents). USNWR is the only standout ranking, ARWU, CWRU, QS all have UW's math higher. Also for most subjects in the college of letters and science UW has ranked higher historically. Look at the 15 year average for UW Madison for UMich in terms of these kinds of departments, even on US News UW averages out. But that makes sense, UW has much more noticeable alumni than UMich in virtually any field, including Sterling Professor of History David Blight and University Professor at Harvard Gary King. Umich doesn't really have any influential alumni in academia, largely because their entire L and S program is a fluke. Umich never was all that good at L and S programs, they simply hyperfocused on their business, law, and medical schools. Eventually that payed off for them, because they were able to grow their endowment to finance their L and S programs significantly over the last 10 years, while Wisconsin suffered budget cuts. Is it really a coincidence that Umich's school of education rose in from a rank of 11 in 2012 to 1 in 2023? Or history which went from 21 to 2 in the same year span? Or math which went from 18 to 11? Back in 2012, Wisc'a education rank was 1, history was 7, and math was 5. Ultimately, though, Wisconsin has always been the better university for well academics, while Umich has always been the professional school. Notable alumni lists between the schools speak for themselves.

So, you admit Wiscy is in a downward trend and Michigan is rising. I can agree with that.

In world university rankings Michigan also dominates Wisconsin.


ARWR THE QS

Michigan 26 23 33

Wisconsin 31 63 Gave up after 100

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It accepts 1/2 its students and is an easy admit. It is ranked #35 by US News — about 20 spots too high. It is overrated, not underrated.

Compare OOS to in-state for admissions and you will come to a different conclusion.

You really want to go there? Texas is #32. Compare their oos rates and you will come to my conclusion. More importantly, the fact that Wisconsin accepts basically all of its in-state students does not speak highly of the school at the undergraduate level; it means, once again, that it is overrated.

Wisconsin’s in state acceptance is high because they have dozens of campuses. Only the top students are accepted to Madison.

Wrong. Madison has a 49% acceptance rate overall. Just Madison. The in-state acceptance rate is much, much higher…
If Wisconsin in-state students are getting in at a rate of 2 in 3 (or higher), might I suggest you revise your notion of “top student” a tad downward?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No Michigan is not rated higher in math by most rankings; anyone involved in the math world knows this (except for lay parents). USNWR is the only standout ranking, ARWU, CWRU, QS all have UW's math higher. Also for most subjects in the college of letters and science UW has ranked higher historically. Look at the 15 year average for UW Madison for UMich in terms of these kinds of departments, even on US News UW averages out. But that makes sense, UW has much more noticeable alumni than UMich in virtually any field, including Sterling Professor of History David Blight and University Professor at Harvard Gary King. Umich doesn't really have any influential alumni in academia, largely because their entire L and S program is a fluke. Umich never was all that good at L and S programs, they simply hyperfocused on their business, law, and medical schools. Eventually that payed off for them, because they were able to grow their endowment to finance their L and S programs significantly over the last 10 years, while Wisconsin suffered budget cuts. Is it really a coincidence that Umich's school of education rose in from a rank of 11 in 2012 to 1 in 2023? Or history which went from 21 to 2 in the same year span? Or math which went from 18 to 11? Back in 2012, Wisc'a education rank was 1, history was 7, and math was 5. Ultimately, though, Wisconsin has always been the better university for well academics, while Umich has always been the professional school. Notable alumni lists between the schools speak for themselves.

So, you admit Wiscy is in a downward trend and Michigan is rising. I can agree with that.

In world university rankings Michigan also dominates Wisconsin.


ARWR THE QS

Michigan 26 23 33

Wisconsin 31 63 Gave up after 100

Hail, hail to Michigan, the Cesspool of the West.

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First of all of course you chose the QS World rankings ( which Michigan apologists love). They heavily downgraded UW because it had the reputation of getting their budget chopped. Look at ARWU or CWRU, which are probably the most objective rankings out there. UW and UM are nearly identically rated. Wisconsin has always had everything going against it, while a Michigan is in the best location I’ve ever seen for a university ( it’s midwestern but on eastern time and is able to appeal to both midwesternersand easterners). Still Michigan has always had the problem of 1. Retaining leading faculty( which they have none of right now). 2. Retaining talented graduate students.

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Anonymous wrote:First of all of course you chose the QS World rankings ( which Michigan apologists love). They heavily downgraded UW because it had the reputation of getting their budget chopped. Look at ARWU or CWRU, which are probably the most objective rankings out there. UW and UM are nearly identically rated. Wisconsin has always had everything going against it, while a Michigan is in the best location I’ve ever seen for a university ( it’s midwestern but on eastern time and is able to appeal to both midwesternersand easterners). Still Michigan has always had the problem of 1. Retaining leading faculty( which they have none of right now). 2. Retaining talented graduate students.

If Wisconain has everything going against it, is it any wonder it’s ranked below Michigan? Furthermore, you’re the first person that I have ever heard state that Michigan’s is in, “the best location…..” Just give it up already and admit that Wisconsin has never been and probably will never be quite at Michigan’s level of overall prestige and ranking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It accepts 1/2 its students and is an easy admit. It is ranked #35 by US News — about 20 spots too high. It is overrated, not underrated.

Compare OOS to in-state for admissions and you will come to a different conclusion.

You really want to go there? Texas is #32. Compare their oos rates and you will come to my conclusion. More importantly, the fact that Wisconsin accepts basically all of its in-state students does not speak highly of the school at the undergraduate level; it means, once again, that it is overrated.

Wisconsin’s in state acceptance is high because they have dozens of campuses. Only the top students are accepted to Madison.

Wrong. Madison has a 49% acceptance rate overall. Just Madison. The in-state acceptance rate is much, much higher…
If Wisconsin in-state students are getting in at a rate of 2 in 3 (or higher), might I suggest you revise your notion of “top student” a tad downward?

Might I suggest that you come down off of your snobby perch and revise your notion of your self-proclaimed superiority?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It accepts 1/2 its students and is an easy admit. It is ranked #35 by US News — about 20 spots too high. It is overrated, not underrated.

Compare OOS to in-state for admissions and you will come to a different conclusion.

You really want to go there? Texas is #32. Compare their oos rates and you will come to my conclusion. More importantly, the fact that Wisconsin accepts basically all of its in-state students does not speak highly of the school at the undergraduate level; it means, once again, that it is overrated.

Wisconsin’s in state acceptance is high because they have dozens of campuses. Only the top students are accepted to Madison.

Wrong. Madison has a 49% acceptance rate overall. Just Madison. The in-state acceptance rate is much, much higher…
If Wisconsin in-state students are getting in at a rate of 2 in 3 (or higher), might I suggest you revise your notion of “top student” a tad downward?

Might I suggest that you come down off of your snobby perch and revise your notion of your self-proclaimed superiority?

^^^a tad downward

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No Michigan is not rated higher in math by most rankings; anyone involved in the math world knows this (except for lay parents). USNWR is the only standout ranking, ARWU, CWRU, QS all have UW's math higher. Also for most subjects in the college of letters and science UW has ranked higher historically. Look at the 15 year average for UW Madison for UMich in terms of these kinds of departments, even on US News UW averages out. But that makes sense, UW has much more noticeable alumni than UMich in virtually any field, including Sterling Professor of History David Blight and University Professor at Harvard Gary King. Umich doesn't really have any influential alumni in academia, largely because their entire L and S program is a fluke. Umich never was all that good at L and S programs, they simply hyperfocused on their business, law, and medical schools. Eventually that payed off for them, because they were able to grow their endowment to finance their L and S programs significantly over the last 10 years, while Wisconsin suffered budget cuts. Is it really a coincidence that Umich's school of education rose in from a rank of 11 in 2012 to 1 in 2023? Or history which went from 21 to 2 in the same year span? Or math which went from 18 to 11? Back in 2012, Wisc'a education rank was 1, history was 7, and math was 5. Ultimately, though, Wisconsin has always been the better university for well academics, while Umich has always been the professional school. Notable alumni lists between the schools speak for themselves.

So, you admit Wiscy is in a downward trend and Michigan is rising. I can agree with that.

In world university rankings Michigan also dominates Wisconsin.


ARWR THE QS

Michigan 26 23 33

Wisconsin 31 63 Gave up after 100

Hail, hail to Michigan, the Cesspool of the West.

Your jealousy is amusing.