Montgomery County MD Schools- A Horrific Nightmare

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Anonymous wrote:Under the Guidelines, a student wishing to develop and implement a transition plan fills out an intake form on which the student is asked to rate the level of parental support the student expects, on a scale from 1 to 10. If the support level is deemed inadequate and the student so desires, the student is assured that the student’s parents will not be told about the development and implementation of the plan. The Guidelines do not indicate that any particular score suffices for a student’s parents to be deemed “unsupportive” but instead direct staff members to make that determination by considering both the information in the form and any other information gathered from consultation with the student. The Guidelines explain the reason for excluding parents as follows:

In some cases, transgender and gender nonconforming students may not openly express their gender identity at home because of safety concerns or lack of acceptance. Matters of gender identity can be complex and may involve familial conflict. Accordingly, the Guidelines explicitly prohibit disclosure of the student’s status “to other students, their parents/guardians, or third persons.”

Moreover, when parents are being excluded from the development and implementation of a transition plan, the Guidelines direct staff to engage in a form of coverup by providing that “[s]chools should seek to minimize the use of permission slips and other school-specific forms that require disclosure of a student’s gender or use gendered terminology” and that “[u]nless the student or parent/guardian has specified otherwise, when contacting the parent/guardian of a transgender student, [Montgomery County] school staff members should use the student’s legal name and pronoun that correspond to the student’s sex assigned at birth.” The transition plans that are developed and implemented under the Guidelines include changing names and pronouns; requiring staff to comply with the use of such names and pronouns; changing school records; giving students the “right to dress in a manner consistent with their gender identity”; providing access to “gender-separated areas,” e.g., “bathrooms, locker rooms, and changing rooms”; providing access to classes and sports, in-school athletics, and clubs in accordance with the student’s new gender identity; promising special arrangements for “outdoor education/overnight field trips,” ncluding sleeping arrangements; and providing safe places and other similar accommodations.

Finally, the Guidelines direct staff to “understand implicit bias, promote diversity awareness, and consider the risk of self-harm or the presence of suicidal ideation.” And they encourage schools “to have age-appropriate student organizations develop and lead programs to address issues of bullying prevention for all students, with emphasis on LGBTQ+ students.”

The Guidelines are not voluntary and instead apply mandatorily to all students in the school system, regardless of age, and all students are thus engaged with staff to help, as the Guidelines state, eliminate bullying, harassment, and discrimination based on gender, gender identity, gender expression, and sexual orientation.

The culture of accountability to parents and not activist groups has to start here, with the basic question of whether the school may facilitate the student's gender transition. The schools must be accountable to the parents.

The OP did not bother to provide a source for this. But, for those interested, it is an excerpt from a lawsuit filed against MCPS that was dismissed due to lack of standing. The poster may well have had some assistance from ChatGPT or the like.

At any rate, OP, you started this thread with a long list of links to various crimes but now appear to be singularly fixated on transgender issues. What is your real concern here?

It's from the court opinion: https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca4/22-2034/22-2034-2023-08-14.html

My real concern is the schools and the people running them, who are completely fixated on ideological agendas around drug decriminalization and gender transitions and purposefully hostile to parents' rights.

tbf... MoCo is also decriminalizing drugs.

Again, you should move to FL.

I think every child in every state has a right to schools where they aren't exposed to sexually explicit materials, abuse, drugs, and the possibility of violence. MoCo is playing a dangerous game with kids under the cover of spreading woke ideology, and the results are out there for all to see. The same forces that are doing this to kids in Maryland are present all over the U.S. and all over the Western World.

What are the sexually explicit materials?? lol come on. Sex education is nothing new. I know this is a troll but at least try to sound like a real person.

This school year, Maryland’s Montgomery County Public Schools (MCPS), one of the largest school districts in the country, instituted a curriculum whose selection for pre-K, “Pride Puppy,” encourages 3-year-olds to search for images of the “‘intersex [flag],’ a ‘[drag] king,’ ‘leather,’ ‘underwear,’ and a celebrated sex worker.”

Pre-K teachers are also provided a resource guide about “defining LGBTQ+ words for elementary students” by the Human Rights Campaign, which includes vocabulary like “cisgender,” “gender binary,” “transgender,” “pansexual” and “queer.”

Three-year-olds are being taught vocabulary such as “cis-gender” and “pansexual.” The fourth grade curriculum instructs the teacher to explore their students’ romantic attractions, including same-sex attractions. With a book about two girls finding love on a playground, the teacher is to invite students to “acknowledg[e] how uncomfortable we might [be]… when we feel our heart beating ‘thumpity thump’ & how hard it can be [to] talk about our feelings with someone that we don’t just ‘like’ but we ‘like like.’”

Kristin Mink attacked those complaining as "white supremacists" and said “to allow Muslim families to opt their children out of those books … harm[s] the LGBTQIA+ community.”

https://thehill.com/opinion/education/4065444-maryland-sex-curriculum-conflict-is-a-battle-of-vulnerabilities/

https://nypost.com/2022/11/15/maryland-school-district-unveils-lgbtq-library-for-pre-k-5th-grade/

Fourth-graders are recommended to read the 2022 book “Love, Violet,” which tells the story of a queer child who develops a crush on her friend, Mira.

A “think aloud” moment for that book is “acknowledging how uncomfortable we might [be] in situations when we feel our heart beating ‘thumpity thump’ & how hard it can be [to] talk about our feelings with someone that we don’t just ‘like’ but we ‘like like,’” according to MCPS.

“Students will develop language and knowledge to accurately and respectfully describe how people (including themselves) are both similar to and different from each other and others in their identity groups,” the guide states.

Students in fifth-grade, ages 10 and 11, are advised to read “Born Ready,” which tells the story of a Black transgender child.

“Some think aloud moments,” for that book, according to MCPS, include, “noticing how happy Penelope is when his mom hears him and commits to sharing with their loved ones that he is a boy–say again that we know ourselves best” and “noticing that in Ghana they think about gender differently than we do in the US–wondering why is it such a big deal here?”

The presentation provides several examples of potential complaints from students, parents and community members and how MCPS staff should respond.

“That’s weird,” reads a sample comment from a student. “He can’t be a boy if he was born a girl. What body parts do they have?”

The answer suggested by MCPS states: “That comment is hurtful; we shouldn’t use negative words to talk about peoples’ identities. Sometimes when we learn information that is different from what we always thought, it can be confusing and hard to process. When we are born, people make a guess about our gender and label us ‘boy’ or ‘girl’ based on our body parts. Sometimes they’re right, and sometimes they’re wrong. Our body parts do not decide our gender. Our gender comes from inside – we might feel different than what people tell us we are. We know ourselves best.”

Note that back in 2022, MCPS said that the readings were "not mandatory" and there would be parental opt-out. Now those have been eliminated and from pre-K on, students are being groomed and sexualized for LGBTQ relationships.

This is like opposing the use of "Goodnight moon" because the bed has a rabbit in it and that might encouraging bestiality.

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OP, can you provide the link to the actual documents shared with teachers that are supposed to lead these lessons? It’s one thing to read quotes in an article, but I would like to see the full context before finalizing my opinion. Speaking as a 3rd grade parent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good. I'm tired of my children being groomed and sexualized for heterosexual relationships with all these prince and princess stories.

If you want to groom your child to be homosexual that is your choice, but forcing it on religious and non-woke people is like a priest coming and baptizing all the children at the school without the parent's knowledge or consent. Or like reciting the Lord's Prayer each day with no opt-out. You would presumably be very angry at these things happening. Part of living in a society is respecting the rights of other people.

I would note that it is creepy and obnoxious that a public school system rife with rape and sexual abuse of minors is presuming to teach pre-K children- four year olds about sex.

omg stop. none of this is "grooming." nor is it teaching four year olds about sex. nor is it comparable to baptizing a child. omg.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good. I'm tired of my children being groomed and sexualized for heterosexual relationships with all these prince and princess stories.

If you want to groom your child to be homosexual that is your choice, but forcing it on religious and non-woke people is like a priest coming and baptizing all the children at the school without the parent's knowledge or consent. Or like reciting the Lord's Prayer each day with no opt-out. You would presumably be very angry at these things happening. Part of living in a society is respecting the rights of other people.

I would note that it is creepy and obnoxious that a public school system rife with rape and sexual abuse of minors is presuming to teach pre-K children- four year olds about sex.

omg stop. none of this is "grooming." nor is it teaching four year olds about sex. nor is it comparable to baptizing a child. omg.

Also, there are very very few 3 year olds in MCPS, and the ones that attend are learning how to speak and feed themselves, not looking for leather daddies in picture books

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not to mention the books aren't "mandatory reading."

"[They] are on the approved list of supplemental materials schools will have access to that align with our goal of providing more inclusive texts and resources in support of curriculum standards."

https://moco360.media/2022/12/14/mcps-six-new-lgbtq-elementary-school-books-met-with-overwhelming-community-support/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good. I'm tired of my children being groomed and sexualized for heterosexual relationships with all these prince and princess stories.

If you want to groom your child to be homosexual that is your choice, but forcing it on religious and non-woke people is like a priest coming and baptizing all the children at the school without the parent's knowledge or consent. Or like reciting the Lord's Prayer each day with no opt-out. You would presumably be very angry at these things happening. Part of living in a society is respecting the rights of other people.

I would note that it is creepy and obnoxious that a public school system rife with rape and sexual abuse of minors is presuming to teach pre-K children- four year olds about sex.

I would note that it is creepy and obnoxious for someone to characterize Pride Puppy as "teaching pre-K children -four year olds about sex".

"C is for car, our old Chevrolet" so scandalous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are you really conflating rape with sex ed and students being allowed to decide when/if to disclose being trans to their parents?

That makes it hard to take you seriously.

I'm just saying that it's pretty sketchy that a school system that has massive problems with sexual assault by teachers and students and administrators would seek to impose explicit sex ed on elementary school students with no parental opt-out allowed, and also seek to cut parents out of being informed of their own young children transitioning genders.

OP-- What are you so afraid of? What exactly scares you about transgender people and gay people? Are you afraid that if your child hears about this they will turn gay or transgender? I just don't get it. What is the problem with talking about being gay or transgender, and what exactly do those two things have to do with rape and sexual assault? And please tell us what about sex ed is explicit. Please provide accurate examples of explicit sex ed that you have real knowledge of.

[Anonymous]

Is this how it is with biology lessons in middle school etc? Like, can parents opt their kids out of evolution lessons? If not, I don't see how they could do so here...

"Mere exposure to ideas in public school did not burden religious exercise because (1) students were not required to behave contrary to their faiths or affirm any views contrary to their religious beliefs, and (2) parents were not prevented from discussing and contextualizing any contrary views at home. "

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you really conflating rape with sex ed and students being allowed to decide when/if to disclose being trans to their parents?

That makes it hard to take you seriously.

I'm just saying that it's pretty sketchy that a school system that has massive problems with sexual assault by teachers and students and administrators would seek to impose explicit sex ed on elementary school students with no parental opt-out allowed, and also seek to cut parents out of being informed of their own young children transitioning genders.

OP-- What are you so afraid of? What exactly scares you about transgender people and gay people? Are you afraid that if your child hears about this they will turn gay or transgender? I just don't get it. What is the problem with talking about being gay or transgender, and what exactly do those two things have to do with rape and sexual assault? And please tell us what about sex ed is explicit. Please provide accurate examples of explicit sex ed that you have real knowledge of.

NP here. It's not the topic that bothers or concerns me. It concerns me that a school system has a policy in place of not sharing information with parents. For this particular topic, most on this thread are in agreement. You might not agree if the information were something that, as a parent, you thought you should be told.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you really conflating rape with sex ed and students being allowed to decide when/if to disclose being trans to their parents?

That makes it hard to take you seriously.

I'm just saying that it's pretty sketchy that a school system that has massive problems with sexual assault by teachers and students and administrators would seek to impose explicit sex ed on elementary school students with no parental opt-out allowed, and also seek to cut parents out of being informed of their own young children transitioning genders.

OP-- What are you so afraid of? What exactly scares you about transgender people and gay people? Are you afraid that if your child hears about this they will turn gay or transgender? I just don't get it. What is the problem with talking about being gay or transgender, and what exactly do those two things have to do with rape and sexual assault? And please tell us what about sex ed is explicit. Please provide accurate examples of explicit sex ed that you have real knowledge of.

NP here. It's not the topic that bothers or concerns me. It concerns me that a school system has a policy in place of not sharing information with parents. For this particular topic, most on this thread are in agreement. You might not agree if the information were something that, as a parent, you thought you should be told.

On the contrary. In this case, the school system has a policy in place of not interfering in the parent-child relationship. Who should tell a parent about a child's [non-cis] gender identity and [non-het] sexual orientation? The child. Your child should be telling you about this. Not the school system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you really conflating rape with sex ed and students being allowed to decide when/if to disclose being trans to their parents?

That makes it hard to take you seriously.

I'm just saying that it's pretty sketchy that a school system that has massive problems with sexual assault by teachers and students and administrators would seek to impose explicit sex ed on elementary school students with no parental opt-out allowed, and also seek to cut parents out of being informed of their own young children transitioning genders.

OP-- What are you so afraid of? What exactly scares you about transgender people and gay people? Are you afraid that if your child hears about this they will turn gay or transgender? I just don't get it. What is the problem with talking about being gay or transgender, and what exactly do those two things have to do with rape and sexual assault? And please tell us what about sex ed is explicit. Please provide accurate examples of explicit sex ed that you have real knowledge of.

NP here. It's not the topic that bothers or concerns me. It concerns me that a school system has a policy in place of not sharing information with parents. For this particular topic, most on this thread are in agreement. You might not agree if the information were something that, as a parent, you thought you should be told.

On the contrary. In this case, the school system has a policy in place of not interfering in the parent-child relationship. Who should tell a parent about a child's [non-cis] gender identity and [non-het] sexual orientation? The child. Your child should be telling you about this. Not the school system.

PP here. I've worked in public schools for a long time. Of course, our children should be telling us; and my husband and I have always had a close relationship with our kids (now adults). The policy that's been published is far more than "not interfering in the parent-child relationship." Teachers have traditionally shared information and concerns with parents. It shouldn't be "us against them."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you really conflating rape with sex ed and students being allowed to decide when/if to disclose being trans to their parents?

That makes it hard to take you seriously.

I'm just saying that it's pretty sketchy that a school system that has massive problems with sexual assault by teachers and students and administrators would seek to impose explicit sex ed on elementary school students with no parental opt-out allowed, and also seek to cut parents out of being informed of their own young children transitioning genders.

OP-- What are you so afraid of? What exactly scares you about transgender people and gay people? Are you afraid that if your child hears about this they will turn gay or transgender? I just don't get it. What is the problem with talking about being gay or transgender, and what exactly do those two things have to do with rape and sexual assault? And please tell us what about sex ed is explicit. Please provide accurate examples of explicit sex ed that you have real knowledge of.

NP here. It's not the topic that bothers or concerns me. It concerns me that a school system has a policy in place of not sharing information with parents. For this particular topic, most on this thread are in agreement. You might not agree if the information were something that, as a parent, you thought you should be told.

On the contrary. In this case, the school system has a policy in place of not interfering in the parent-child relationship. Who should tell a parent about a child's [non-cis] gender identity and [non-het] sexual orientation? The child. Your child should be telling you about this. Not the school system.

PP here. I've worked in public schools for a long time. Of course, our children should be telling us; and my husband and I have always had a close relationship with our kids (now adults). The policy that's been published is far more than "not interfering in the parent-child relationship." Teachers have traditionally shared information and concerns with parents. It shouldn't be "us against them."

Some information and concerns, yes. Other information and concerns, no.

Who's making it "us against them" here? The people who are attacking the public school systems. They want it both ways. An English/Language Arts curriculum that includes a picture book about a girl whose uncle marries a man? Intolerable interference in the parent-child relationship! A policy of allowing children their own communication with their parents about their gender identity and sexual orientation? Also intolerable interference in the parent-child relationship! Go figure.

(Although actually there is an explanation for this apparent contradiction: namely, the belief that children are the property of their parents.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you really conflating rape with sex ed and students being allowed to decide when/if to disclose being trans to their parents?

That makes it hard to take you seriously.

I'm just saying that it's pretty sketchy that a school system that has massive problems with sexual assault by teachers and students and administrators would seek to impose explicit sex ed on elementary school students with no parental opt-out allowed, and also seek to cut parents out of being informed of their own young children transitioning genders.

OP-- What are you so afraid of? What exactly scares you about transgender people and gay people? Are you afraid that if your child hears about this they will turn gay or transgender? I just don't get it. What is the problem with talking about being gay or transgender, and what exactly do those two things have to do with rape and sexual assault? And please tell us what about sex ed is explicit. Please provide accurate examples of explicit sex ed that you have real knowledge of.

NP here. It's not the topic that bothers or concerns me. It concerns me that a school system has a policy in place of not sharing information with parents. For this particular topic, most on this thread are in agreement. You might not agree if the information were something that, as a parent, you thought you should be told.

On the contrary. In this case, the school system has a policy in place of not interfering in the parent-child relationship. Who should tell a parent about a child's [non-cis] gender identity and [non-het] sexual orientation? The child. Your child should be telling you about this. Not the school system.

PP here. I've worked in public schools for a long time. Of course, our children should be telling us; and my husband and I have always had a close relationship with our kids (now adults). The policy that's been published is far more than "not interfering in the parent-child relationship." Teachers have traditionally shared information and concerns with parents. It shouldn't be "us against them."

Some information and concerns, yes. Other information and concerns, no.

Who's making it "us against them" here? The people who are attacking the public school systems. They want it both ways. An English/Language Arts curriculum that includes a picture book about a girl whose uncle marries a man? Intolerable interference in the parent-child relationship! A policy of allowing children their own communication with their parents about their gender identity and sexual orientation? Also intolerable interference in the parent-child relationship! Go figure.

(Although actually there is an explanation for this apparent contradiction: namely, the belief that children are the property of their parents.)

Children are most definitely not the property of their parents, but parents or guardians are legally responsible for minors.

[Anonymous]

My kids are wrapping up a week of horrific nightmare. I guess the smiles in their faces are burned in by acid like the Joker?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you really conflating rape with sex ed and students being allowed to decide when/if to disclose being trans to their parents?

That makes it hard to take you seriously.

I'm just saying that it's pretty sketchy that a school system that has massive problems with sexual assault by teachers and students and administrators would seek to impose explicit sex ed on elementary school students with no parental opt-out allowed, and also seek to cut parents out of being informed of their own young children transitioning genders.

OP-- What are you so afraid of? What exactly scares you about transgender people and gay people? Are you afraid that if your child hears about this they will turn gay or transgender? I just don't get it. What is the problem with talking about being gay or transgender, and what exactly do those two things have to do with rape and sexual assault? And please tell us what about sex ed is explicit. Please provide accurate examples of explicit sex ed that you have real knowledge of.

NP here. It's not the topic that bothers or concerns me. It concerns me that a school system has a policy in place of not sharing information with parents. For this particular topic, most on this thread are in agreement. You might not agree if the information were something that, as a parent, you thought you should be told.

On the contrary. In this case, the school system has a policy in place of not interfering in the parent-child relationship. Who should tell a parent about a child's [non-cis] gender identity and [non-het] sexual orientation? The child. Your child should be telling you about this. Not the school system.

PP here. I've worked in public schools for a long time. Of course, our children should be telling us; and my husband and I have always had a close relationship with our kids (now adults). The policy that's been published is far more than "not interfering in the parent-child relationship." Teachers have traditionally shared information and concerns with parents. It shouldn't be "us against them."

Some information and concerns, yes. Other information and concerns, no.

Who's making it "us against them" here? The people who are attacking the public school systems. They want it both ways. An English/Language Arts curriculum that includes a picture book about a girl whose uncle marries a man? Intolerable interference in the parent-child relationship! A policy of allowing children their own communication with their parents about their gender identity and sexual orientation? Also intolerable interference in the parent-child relationship! Go figure.

(Although actually there is an explanation for this apparent contradiction: namely, the belief that children are the property of their parents.)

Children are most definitely not the property of their parents, but parents or guardians are legally responsible for minors.

Many of the arguments around this policy do seem like they are coming from a baseline of control/ownership, however. Parents say the school should notify them if their child wants to use a new name, but why? What is the argument for something that minor beyond "It's mine and I want to control it."