Funny because I’ve noticed the opposite. In fact, so much that it makes me question their push for equality as simply a way to get women to do absolutely everything. It seems even worse than here. Here my friends at least are supported financially by their husbands. My Scandinavian friends have separate bank accounts and live like roommates. They even have 50% of the mortgage coming out of each bank account. The moms are still in charge of the emotional labor. No thanks! |
Give examples of unnecessary. Please. Because -signing up for camps when daycare is closed -forms for camp -signing up for teacher appreciation week at daycare -enrolling in K including all of the forms and records - laundry - vacuuming -clean toilets and tubs - grocery shopping and cooking varied meals - regular car repairs and maintenance -budgeting and paying bills - 1 extracurricular per season - finding good sales on shoes and clothes because we don't get hand-me-downs and i try to stick to 600 per year for clothes and shoes for a growing kid - home maintenance (ex. hot water heater draining, cleaning gutters, ensuring that the downspout extenders are put back on after the lawn gets mowed) but yes its because women are neurotic with all their unnecessary planning and activities ![]() |
Women are masters at bait-n-switch.
Then complain about that too! |
That would be close to fair for a childless couple, maybe. |
A lot of this is cultural too. Germany has great parental leave, free or subsidized childcare and "Elternzeit" where parents can split leave so that Dad takes several months off...but they still have a lot of expectations rooted in stay-at-home motherhood. France also has great benefits, and a lot of working moms, but there's a lot of the "second shift" dynamic where hte moms do all the house/kid stuff along with working outside the home. Parental leave and benefits are WONDERFUL and necessary, especially for both parents regardless of gender...but they don't solve underlying cultural expectations taht women do certain caregiving work. |
I’m male and this sounds like learned helpfulness. Off your list * car maintenance * house maintenance * vacation planning * major appliance and furniture * taxes and retirement Need to be moved to him entirely. |
DH and I are immigrants from a 3rd world country. My DH has always been the partner I wanted and needed. When we were childless, he supported my education and career and did more than his share of the household chores and financial providing so that I was successful in my chosen field.
When I got pregnant, he was my support in managing my GD and easing workload for me at home. When we had our first baby, he made sure we were supported. He made sure that my parents came for the birth and lived with us for 6 months, and took care of all the logistics pertaining to that. I wanted to breastfeed and he made sure that he took care of all the diapering, waking up and soothing the baby, helping with cooking etc, so that I could succeed in breastfeeding. As I went back to my career, he and I, were on the same page as to what our priorities were. He was smart and insisted that we outsourced what we could and then he also took care of the morning drop offs, evening nighttime routine etc so that he was spending the maximum time he could with the kids and I got a break. I used to take a lot of the mental burden of planning things for the family, but he has always been the person who had my back and would pitch in or find people who could help us. He believed in spending money to get help and even with our tiny income we were spending on domestic help and other service provides. He has always been with the program as I have shifted gears as a WOHM, WAHM, Part Timers, contract worker, SAHM etc. Did I want an equal partner? No. I have always wanted a supportive partner who had a very clear idea of what our priorities were as a family unit and who was pitching in to make our family successful. We happen to be Gen-Xers. We are parents of millennial and gen-z kids. I see the struggles that this thread is about playing out in our family in the younger generation. My take is that the corporate culture and the societal culture of this country is responsible for this kind of communication breakdown between couples. No couple with kids is thinking of doing it alone. Corporate policies and federal policies are very flexible for family requirements. There are generous leave policies and flex work arrangements. Family also pitches in, domestic help is plentiful and organized. No working woman is leaving her job because of lack of childcare - even during the pandemic. I think it is ridiculous that US corporate policies are so female and family unfriendly, that parenthood seems to be the worst thing that can happen to the ambition, wallet and harmony of married working couples. |
I always wonder about the school thing. My DH has a flexible career with WFH whenever, but we have three kids and they have literally been sick or out for teacher training/holidays at least once a week averaged out. I have no idea how we would do it if both of us worked full-time, but I assume everyone uses nannies or works from home. |
Unpopular opinion here, but I think European countries offer better parental leave benefits there because women are so screwed. They simply require government assistance to survive after having a baby. They are mostly on their own financially and how could you get by on $0 after having a baby? The government is simply stepping in for what the men there refuse to do. It’s also less expensive to pay low parental leave wages instead of providing childcare for young babies. |
Doesn't help for sickness but our school's aftercare is open for most closure days. That's what we do, mostly. Sometimes I'll take a vacation day for a daddy-daughter outing but mostly aftercare. |
Gen X says hold my beer.
Did I use that right? Probably not, I’m old. Anyway, we also definitely were sold the same bill of goods by guys who purported to be feminists who were looking for career women who would be equal partners yada yada. Fast forward 20 years and they still don’t know where to put away the colander or check the school schedule to find out which days the kids will be off, or know how to check the kids grades online. From where I sit, you millennials aren’t doing somewhat better. Each generation is a slow grind towards progress. |
Re: European models.
I actually think one of the main reasons millennial men don’t step up to equal partnerships with two working parents is that it sucks. It still sucks, even if you have an equal partnership. You’re still both doing too much. If two parents are working intense jobs, you need more labor. It might be unpaid via a grandparent or older children, but you need more labor no matter what. And a lot of such families max out their housing budget to try to live in areas with affluent public schools and then they don’t have enough money left to hire the nanny and/or full time housekeeper they would need to have a happy, manageably stressful life. Either changing the housing/school quality dynamic or having employers and governments step up makes a lot of sense to bring the equal partner role into the realm of appealing. |
DP DW here. This looks like a traditional model. ![]() DH and I, it looks like we have a pretty traditional setup too. I ask my grown up kids - are we a stable, loving, functional family? Do I have power in the relationship? They agree to all of this. But, they themselves remain very conflicted in what they need from their partner. |
I think millennial men are doing a lot better than their fathers.
I was born in 1986 and my dad never so much as prepared mac and cheese for us. Not once did he do the bedtime routine or look at our homework or drive us to an extracurricular. What's new is to have both parents with intense careers. In the past a male doctor might marry a female nurse who continued working but had some flexibility. Now doctors always marry doctors. I am in a non-intense career and so is my husband. On paper it looks like we have things split 50-50 but he seems to have a lot more time than I do for watching Youtube and such. But to be fair plenty of my "work" is things like planning playdates and arranging for kid parties which isn't exactly work, but takes a lot of time and energy. If I dropped dead tomorrow my kids would probably never have another playdate or birthday party. |
Facts! |