Why are conservatives creepy? OH legislature votes to require genital inspections for kids’ sports

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Anonymous wrote:What a perverted cult.

I’m more convinced than ever that to ascend to the highest elite of the GOP you need to have abused children. I’m almost certain the party effectively functions as a pedo blackmail ring. They abducted all those migrant kids and “lost” them. Then look at all the child molestation scandals in the GOP. Denny Hastert was 3rd in line to the Presidency.

A few years ago I would have thought you were crazy. I’m not convinced that you need to have abused children, but I’ve come to suspect that it’s definitely a feature of the upper echelons of the GOP. You have three very good examples - plus the reason for this thread - and don’t forget the whole Q/Comet Ping Pong thing. Every Republican accusation is a confession.

Exactly.

I’m the PP you’re replying to and I forgot: Jeffrey Epstein. Not only was he friends with Trump (and Epstein used to hunt for victims at Mar a Lago), but Alex Acosta is the one who let Epstein off and then Epstein was given a cushy Trump administration job. Moreover, Epstein seemed to have been poised to name names finally and he was killed in shady circumstances (both guards fell asleep for approximately three hours and both the cameras outside his cell malfunctioned that night) while Barr (whose father gave Epstein a job at the Dalton School he ran) was in charge of the DOJ.

There is something seriously, seriously wrong in the GOP.

If Trump was repeatedly on Epstein’s list along with other GOPers, we’d have seen it by now in the headlines of CNN

Dead men can’t talk.

Release the list

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Anonymous wrote:I will vote D for the abortion issue but I really wish that liberals and democrats could expand from just abortion and birth control to think about girls and female athletes. Instead, when Rs put forward a solution, then there's no alternative solution put forward by Ds. Just hashtags.

Here’s a solution. Assume girls are girls and cut the crap if they have an original birth certificate listing gender as F. It’s a long con if an MD misgendering then in 2008 so they could have an advantage in sports. Why is anything more than a birth certificate needed. Or even school records showing registration in K or PK as a F?

Let the 5 kids in Ohio play if they are transitioning and their hormone levels are at a set place. That’s a call for endocrinologists, not politicians. At the high school level, err of the side of letting kids play— remembering there are 5 and not 5000, that the suicide rate for trans kids is off the charts and that one of the benefits of sports is community building and helping kids struggling with identity feel accepted.

At the college level, the NCAA should be making the call, not 50 individual states. And again, it should be medical, not political.

Digitally raping high school women is a solution in search of a problem.

I do think we are moving to third category, non-binary teams. I follow this because my kid is at Oberlin, and the have some non-binary club sports, like ultimate frisbee. No problems reported. I think non-binary LAX, Soccer, volleyball, soccer, softball will become more common. And people will see that, like gay marriage, it’s NBD.

I really admire the red state Governor who vetoed his red state legislature’s anti-trans sports bill— pointing out their state had *one* trans athlete in HS sports, and he wanted no part in a trans kid killing themselves because they couldn’t find a community in athletics. Good for him.

All it takes is ONE trans biological male to take a college spot from a true female

Not if the NCAA has standards. If they don’t, then nothing stops the trans woman from competing against boys and then taking a female scholarship.

But I digress. Problem with Rs in general. They’d forced hundreds of thousands of teen girls into pain humiliating unnecessary medical exams to go after a single trans woman— who could apparently compete in the NCAA as a woman and take the scholarship anyway.

JFC. The drama!!! And who’s all ‘in’ on trans m-f taking girls’ spots. Democrats.

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Anonymous wrote:Legalizing the molestation of minors. Any DR that agrees to this is suspect.

I hesitate to say this because I don’t want anyone to misconstrue my comment as support for this bill, but from what I could find online (weird that the actual bill isn’t quoted in this thread at all) it appears that the text of the bill states that if the sex of an athlete is questioned, there are 3 ways the athlete can prove their sex, and one of them is with a note from a doctor, stating their sex based on external observations. Your sex would be part of your medical records, so your doctor should be able to write such a note without having to perform any new exams.

This bill is problematic, but it doesn’t suggest that anyone other than one’s doctor should be examining one’s genitalia.

You are wrong. The bill requires an internal gyn. exam. On a child who may not have even entered puberty (my very thin daughter did menstrate because she is so thin. She is defiantly female— in sex, in gender. But she was too thin to make estrogen (below 5% BMI) and that would not have been an option. And how many parents can afford to do a full genetic sequence on their kid?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergreene/2022/06/03/ohio-legislators-want-to-check-childrens-gender/?sh=1e575f343ad0

Read and learn what they are doing to women at a time when eating disorders and other body image issues are rampant.

I’ll take the 5 trans athletes, thanks.

Would you mind citing the passage that you think makes an internal gynecological exam is required? It doesn’t read that way to me.

#1. Examination of a participant’s INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL reproductive anatomy.

The word “examination” isn’t used. It’s “ The participant’s internal and external reproductive anatomy.” I don’t believe a pelvic exam is required. You just get your pediatrician to sign a note stating which kind of anatomy your kid has. Should others be able to force you to do that? No, of course not. A birth certificate should suffice. However, I don’t believe pediatricians are going to perform pelvic exams due to this bill.

Look at the amount of excuses you have to make to excuse your party’s pedophilia - under the guise of “protecting women athletes,” of course. Republicans truly are the Gross Old Perverts.

I’m still waiting to see how PP thinks internal female anatomy is verified without a pelvic exam.

NP. I take it you don't have children, or have never taken your children to the pediatrician for a well-child appointment. Are you childless? Or just not the default parent?

Seriously, if a child has female anatomy externally without having had any surgical procedures to alter their genitalia, and there’s never been any reason to think that their internal anatomy doesn’t match their external anatomy, their physician will just sign the form and that’s the end of it. This bill shouldn’t exist, it encourages harassment, and I don’t support it — but I also don’t believe it requires internal exams.

I can’t imagine this bill will withstand any scrutiny by the courts. It places a disproportionate burden on people who want to compete on girls’ sports teams.

THEN HAVE THEM REWRITE SO DOCTORS ARE NOT CERTIFYING INTERNAL SEX ORGANS.

Also, how do you deal with Intersex, Turners Syndrome, etc.a. At least 2% of Americans have genitalia that do not match genetic sex, ambiguous genitalia, etc.

Calm down and actually think about how this would work in the real world.

It’s not up to doctors to interpret the law. If they’re asked to state what anatomical features someone has, they’ll answer to the best of their knowledge. If the bill doesn’t specify that internal pelvic exams are required and it doesn’t penalize doctors for being wrong in their assessment of internal organs based on the standard of care, a doctor isn’t going to perform a pelvic exam for a 13 year old to play soccer.

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Anonymous wrote:I will vote D for the abortion issue but I really wish that liberals and democrats could expand from just abortion and birth control to think about girls and female athletes. Instead, when Rs put forward a solution, then there's no alternative solution put forward by Ds. Just hashtags.

Here’s a solution. Assume girls are girls and cut the crap if they have an original birth certificate listing gender as F. It’s a long con if an MD misgendering then in 2008 so they could have an advantage in sports. Why is anything more than a birth certificate needed. Or even school records showing registration in K or PK as a F?

Let the 5 kids in Ohio play if they are transitioning and their hormone levels are at a set place. That’s a call for endocrinologists, not politicians. At the high school level, err of the side of letting kids play— remembering there are 5 and not 5000, that the suicide rate for trans kids is off the charts and that one of the benefits of sports is community building and helping kids struggling with identity feel accepted.

At the college level, the NCAA should be making the call, not 50 individual states. And again, it should be medical, not political.

Digitally raping high school women is a solution in search of a problem.

I do think we are moving to third category, non-binary teams. I follow this because my kid is at Oberlin, and the have some non-binary club sports, like ultimate frisbee. No problems reported. I think non-binary LAX, Soccer, volleyball, soccer, softball will become more common. And people will see that, like gay marriage, it’s NBD.

I really admire the red state Governor who vetoed his red state legislature’s anti-trans sports bill— pointing out their state had *one* trans athlete in HS sports, and he wanted no part in a trans kid killing themselves because they couldn’t find a community in athletics. Good for him.

All it takes is ONE trans biological male to take a college spot from a true female

Not if the NCAA has standards. If they don’t, then nothing stops the trans woman from competing against boys and then taking a female scholarship.

But I digress. Problem with Rs in general. They’d forced hundreds of thousands of teen girls into pain humiliating unnecessary medical exams to go after a single trans woman— who could apparently compete in the NCAA as a woman and take the scholarship anyway.

JFC. The drama!!! And who’s all ‘in’ on trans m-f taking girls’ spots. Democrats.

Not this Democrat. I don’t want trans people to be discriminated against, but I also don’t want biological females to have to compete in sports against biological males.

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Anonymous wrote:Legalizing the molestation of minors. Any DR that agrees to this is suspect.

I hesitate to say this because I don’t want anyone to misconstrue my comment as support for this bill, but from what I could find online (weird that the actual bill isn’t quoted in this thread at all) it appears that the text of the bill states that if the sex of an athlete is questioned, there are 3 ways the athlete can prove their sex, and one of them is with a note from a doctor, stating their sex based on external observations. Your sex would be part of your medical records, so your doctor should be able to write such a note without having to perform any new exams.

This bill is problematic, but it doesn’t suggest that anyone other than one’s doctor should be examining one’s genitalia.

You are wrong. The bill requires an internal gyn. exam. On a child who may not have even entered puberty (my very thin daughter did menstrate because she is so thin. She is defiantly female— in sex, in gender. But she was too thin to make estrogen (below 5% BMI) and that would not have been an option. And how many parents can afford to do a full genetic sequence on their kid?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergreene/2022/06/03/ohio-legislators-want-to-check-childrens-gender/?sh=1e575f343ad0

Read and learn what they are doing to women at a time when eating disorders and other body image issues are rampant.

I’ll take the 5 trans athletes, thanks.

Would you mind citing the passage that you think makes an internal gynecological exam is required? It doesn’t read that way to me.

#1. Examination of a participant’s INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL reproductive anatomy.

The word “examination” isn’t used. It’s “ The participant’s internal and external reproductive anatomy.” I don’t believe a pelvic exam is required. You just get your pediatrician to sign a note stating which kind of anatomy your kid has. Should others be able to force you to do that? No, of course not. A birth certificate should suffice. However, I don’t believe pediatricians are going to perform pelvic exams due to this bill.

Is sex still on birth certificate or gender?

Yes. Sex is still on birth certificates. Trans people can petition to have that changed, but that wouldn’t be the original birth certificate. Gender is a social construct. A baby doesn’t know what gender it will ID with in 10 years.

Why doesn't everyone just use sex and move on

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Anonymous wrote:Legalizing the molestation of minors. Any DR that agrees to this is suspect.

I hesitate to say this because I don’t want anyone to misconstrue my comment as support for this bill, but from what I could find online (weird that the actual bill isn’t quoted in this thread at all) it appears that the text of the bill states that if the sex of an athlete is questioned, there are 3 ways the athlete can prove their sex, and one of them is with a note from a doctor, stating their sex based on external observations. Your sex would be part of your medical records, so your doctor should be able to write such a note without having to perform any new exams.

This bill is problematic, but it doesn’t suggest that anyone other than one’s doctor should be examining one’s genitalia.

You are wrong. The bill requires an internal gyn. exam. On a child who may not have even entered puberty (my very thin daughter did menstrate because she is so thin. She is defiantly female— in sex, in gender. But she was too thin to make estrogen (below 5% BMI) and that would not have been an option. And how many parents can afford to do a full genetic sequence on their kid?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergreene/2022/06/03/ohio-legislators-want-to-check-childrens-gender/?sh=1e575f343ad0

Read and learn what they are doing to women at a time when eating disorders and other body image issues are rampant.

I’ll take the 5 trans athletes, thanks.

Would you mind citing the passage that you think makes an internal gynecological exam is required? It doesn’t read that way to me.

#1. Examination of a participant’s INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL reproductive anatomy.

The word “examination” isn’t used. It’s “ The participant’s internal and external reproductive anatomy.” I don’t believe a pelvic exam is required. You just get your pediatrician to sign a note stating which kind of anatomy your kid has. Should others be able to force you to do that? No, of course not. A birth certificate should suffice. However, I don’t believe pediatricians are going to perform pelvic exams due to this bill.

Look at the amount of excuses you have to make to excuse your party’s pedophilia - under the guise of “protecting women athletes,” of course. Republicans truly are the Gross Old Perverts.

I’m still waiting to see how PP thinks internal female anatomy is verified without a pelvic exam.

External ultrasound

Cool, next time I go in for a pelvic exam I’ll tell them DCUM said an external US would do the trick. Spoiler alert: not so much. Maybe a transvaginal US. Maybe.

Nope. You can see ovaries, uterus etc on external for sure. How do I know? I am a biological woman and have had plenty/

Isn't an internal exam primarily to examine the cervix for cellular changes (i.e. Pap Smear) or to determine how much a woman has dilated in the context of labor? Or to see if there is a fistula if a woman is complaining of fecal incontinence? A transvaginal ultrasound is used to determine gestational age of a very young fetus. An external ultrasound sounds adequate to determine if a woman/girl has ovaries and a uterus. Seriously though, a simple test to determine chromosomes seems simplest. I'll admit that lawmakers should really learn more about biology and/or consult closely with OB/GYNS or pediatricians before writing laws.

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People complain about conservative disinformation but the liberal disinformation on this thread is insane. An internal pelvic exam on a prepubescent girl would be done in the OR under general anaesthesia—so don’t worry, it’s not something your pediatrician is going to be doing at the office so your kid can play volleyball.

For those crowing about why don’t boys get genital exams to play sports—A hernia check is a pretty standard part of a boys sports physical so they already do.

To comply with this law, the pediatrician would just have to glance at the notes from your kids last well child visit where they most likely commented on the genitalia, then sign the damn form. For children who have ambiguous genitalia, then more investigation (e.g. an ultrasound and labs) is medically indicated so has most likely already been done. This bill would only present a hurdle to participation among kids who want to play on a team that doesn’t align with their biologic sex.

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Republicans support the grooming and molestation of minors.

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Anonymous wrote:People complain about conservative disinformation but the liberal disinformation on this thread is insane. An internal pelvic exam on a prepubescent girl would be done in the OR under general anaesthesia—so don’t worry, it’s not something your pediatrician is going to be doing at the office so your kid can play volleyball.

For those crowing about why don’t boys get genital exams to play sports—A hernia check is a pretty standard part of a boys sports physical so they already do.

To comply with this law, the pediatrician would just have to glance at the notes from your kids last well child visit where they most likely commented on the genitalia, then sign the damn form. For children who have ambiguous genitalia, then more investigation (e.g. an ultrasound and labs) is medically indicated so has most likely already been done. This bill would only present a hurdle to participation among kids who want to play on a team that doesn’t align with their biologic sex.

Or, alternatively you can just let kids play sports and their families cheer them on and stop bullying them. Seems easier than the Rube Goldberg machine you just described. Do you even hear yourself?

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Anonymous wrote:People complain about conservative disinformation but the liberal disinformation on this thread is insane. An internal pelvic exam on a prepubescent girl would be done in the OR under general anaesthesia—so don’t worry, it’s not something your pediatrician is going to be doing at the office so your kid can play volleyball.

For those crowing about why don’t boys get genital exams to play sports—A hernia check is a pretty standard part of a boys sports physical so they already do.

To comply with this law, the pediatrician would just have to glance at the notes from your kids last well child visit where they most likely commented on the genitalia, then sign the damn form. For children who have ambiguous genitalia, then more investigation (e.g. an ultrasound and labs) is medically indicated so has most likely already been done. This bill would only present a hurdle to participation among kids who want to play on a team that doesn’t align with their biologic sex.

Or, alternatively you can just let kids play sports and their families cheer them on and stop bullying them. Seems easier than the Rube Goldberg machine you just described. Do you even hear yourself?

What Rube Goldberg machine? I was simply countering the disinformation in this thread’s title that girls are going to have forced internal pelvic exams in order to play sports. Realistically, the only kids that will be affected by this bill are trans kids and a very small number of kids with disorders of sexual development.

For the record I am opposed to this bill. I think trans kids participation in sports is a complex issue that requires nuance, which bills like this obviously don’t allow for. But I also think it is totally disingenuous and counter-productive for liberals to spread mass hysteria that this bill is going to force girls to have unnecessary genital exams, which it definitely will not.

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Anonymous wrote:Legalizing the molestation of minors. Any DR that agrees to this is suspect.

I hesitate to say this because I don’t want anyone to misconstrue my comment as support for this bill, but from what I could find online (weird that the actual bill isn’t quoted in this thread at all) it appears that the text of the bill states that if the sex of an athlete is questioned, there are 3 ways the athlete can prove their sex, and one of them is with a note from a doctor, stating their sex based on external observations. Your sex would be part of your medical records, so your doctor should be able to write such a note without having to perform any new exams.

This bill is problematic, but it doesn’t suggest that anyone other than one’s doctor should be examining one’s genitalia.

You are wrong. The bill requires an internal gyn. exam. On a child who may not have even entered puberty (my very thin daughter did menstrate because she is so thin. She is defiantly female— in sex, in gender. But she was too thin to make estrogen (below 5% BMI) and that would not have been an option. And how many parents can afford to do a full genetic sequence on their kid?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergreene/2022/06/03/ohio-legislators-want-to-check-childrens-gender/?sh=1e575f343ad0

Read and learn what they are doing to women at a time when eating disorders and other body image issues are rampant.

I’ll take the 5 trans athletes, thanks.

Would you mind citing the passage that you think makes an internal gynecological exam is required? It doesn’t read that way to me.

#1. Examination of a participant’s INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL reproductive anatomy.

The word “examination” isn’t used. It’s “ The participant’s internal and external reproductive anatomy.” I don’t believe a pelvic exam is required. You just get your pediatrician to sign a note stating which kind of anatomy your kid has. Should others be able to force you to do that? No, of course not. A birth certificate should suffice. However, I don’t believe pediatricians are going to perform pelvic exams due to this bill.

Look at the amount of excuses you have to make to excuse your party’s pedophilia - under the guise of “protecting women athletes,” of course. Republicans truly are the Gross Old Perverts.

I’m still waiting to see how PP thinks internal female anatomy is verified without a pelvic exam.

NP. I take it you don't have children, or have never taken your children to the pediatrician for a well-child appointment. Are you childless? Or just not the default parent?

Seriously, if a child has female anatomy externally without having had any surgical procedures to alter their genitalia, and there’s never been any reason to think that their internal anatomy doesn’t match their external anatomy, their physician will just sign the form and that’s the end of it. This bill shouldn’t exist, it encourages harassment, and I don’t support it — but I also don’t believe it requires internal exams.

I can’t imagine this bill will withstand any scrutiny by the courts. It places a disproportionate burden on people who want to compete on girls’ sports teams.

THEN HAVE THEM REWRITE SO DOCTORS ARE NOT CERTIFYING INTERNAL SEX ORGANS.

Also, how do you deal with Intersex, Turners Syndrome, etc.a. At least 2% of Americans have genitalia that do not match genetic sex, ambiguous genitalia, etc.

Nope, that number is .018%, not 2%. More than 100 times less. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

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Anonymous wrote:People complain about conservative disinformation but the liberal disinformation on this thread is insane. An internal pelvic exam on a prepubescent girl would be done in the OR under general anaesthesia—so don’t worry, it’s not something your pediatrician is going to be doing at the office so your kid can play volleyball.

For those crowing about why don’t boys get genital exams to play sports—A hernia check is a pretty standard part of a boys sports physical so they already do.

To comply with this law, the pediatrician would just have to glance at the notes from your kids last well child visit where they most likely commented on the genitalia, then sign the damn form. For children who have ambiguous genitalia, then more investigation (e.g. an ultrasound and labs) is medically indicated so has most likely already been done. This bill would only present a hurdle to participation among kids who want to play on a team that doesn’t align with their biologic sex.

Or, alternatively you can just let kids play sports and their families cheer them on and stop bullying them. Seems easier than the Rube Goldberg machine you just described. Do you even hear yourself?

What Rube Goldberg machine? I was simply countering the disinformation in this thread’s title that girls are going to have forced internal pelvic exams in order to play sports. Realistically, the only kids that will be affected by this bill are trans kids and a very small number of kids with disorders of sexual development.

For the record I am opposed to this bill. I think trans kids participation in sports is a complex issue that requires nuance, which bills like this obviously don’t allow for. But I also think it is totally disingenuous and counter-productive for liberals to spread mass hysteria that this bill is going to force girls to have unnecessary genital exams, which it definitely will not.

Maybe that’s the way to win elections. It works for the Rs. They lie constantly.

(FWIW - I haven’t said they are forcing genital exams)

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Anonymous wrote:People complain about conservative disinformation but the liberal disinformation on this thread is insane. An internal pelvic exam on a prepubescent girl would be done in the OR under general anaesthesia—so don’t worry, it’s not something your pediatrician is going to be doing at the office so your kid can play volleyball.

For those crowing about why don’t boys get genital exams to play sports—A hernia check is a pretty standard part of a boys sports physical so they already do.

To comply with this law, the pediatrician would just have to glance at the notes from your kids last well child visit where they most likely commented on the genitalia, then sign the damn form. For children who have ambiguous genitalia, then more investigation (e.g. an ultrasound and labs) is medically indicated so has most likely already been done. This bill would only present a hurdle to participation among kids who want to play on a team that doesn’t align with their biologic sex.

Or, alternatively you can just let kids play sports and their families cheer them on and stop bullying them. Seems easier than the Rube Goldberg machine you just described. Do you even hear yourself?

What Rube Goldberg machine? I was simply countering the disinformation in this thread’s title that girls are going to have forced internal pelvic exams in order to play sports. Realistically, the only kids that will be affected by this bill are trans kids and a very small number of kids with disorders of sexual development.

For the record I am opposed to this bill. I think trans kids participation in sports is a complex issue that requires nuance, which bills like this obviously don’t allow for. But I also think it is totally disingenuous and counter-productive for liberals to spread mass hysteria that this bill is going to force girls to have unnecessary genital exams, which it definitely will not.

Maybe that’s the way to win elections. It works for the Rs. They lie constantly.

(FWIW - I haven’t said they are forcing genital exams)

Absolutely republicans do it too. And it creates a culture where the two sides talk past each other about fake moral panics, while unable to come together to have tough conversations about admittedly difficult issues (see also: CRT). I think trans kids in sports is a difficult issue because it places two ideals at odds—inclusion of kids to play in the category they feel most comfortable in, versus fairness to female athletes who have an enormous physical disadvantage against male athletes after puberty. Republican efforts to ban all trans boys from girls sports, including pre-puberty when they have no physical advantage, is cruel. But some liberals’ insistence that trans woman be fully included in all professional women’s sports, even if a physical advantage can be demonstrated or inferred, seems deeply unfair to female athletes who have dedicated their lives to sports. The problem right now is we can’t have a conversation about how to weigh inclusion with fairness/safety if both sides are putting their hands over their ears and yelling “Groomer” or “Transphobe” at the other side.

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Anonymous wrote:Legalizing the molestation of minors. Any DR that agrees to this is suspect.

I hesitate to say this because I don’t want anyone to misconstrue my comment as support for this bill, but from what I could find online (weird that the actual bill isn’t quoted in this thread at all) it appears that the text of the bill states that if the sex of an athlete is questioned, there are 3 ways the athlete can prove their sex, and one of them is with a note from a doctor, stating their sex based on external observations. Your sex would be part of your medical records, so your doctor should be able to write such a note without having to perform any new exams.

This bill is problematic, but it doesn’t suggest that anyone other than one’s doctor should be examining one’s genitalia.

You are wrong. The bill requires an internal gyn. exam. On a child who may not have even entered puberty (my very thin daughter did menstrate because she is so thin. She is defiantly female— in sex, in gender. But she was too thin to make estrogen (below 5% BMI) and that would not have been an option. And how many parents can afford to do a full genetic sequence on their kid?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergreene/2022/06/03/ohio-legislators-want-to-check-childrens-gender/?sh=1e575f343ad0

Read and learn what they are doing to women at a time when eating disorders and other body image issues are rampant.

I’ll take the 5 trans athletes, thanks.

Would you mind citing the passage that you think makes an internal gynecological exam is required? It doesn’t read that way to me.

#1. Examination of a participant’s INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL reproductive anatomy.

The word “examination” isn’t used. It’s “ The participant’s internal and external reproductive anatomy.” I don’t believe a pelvic exam is required. You just get your pediatrician to sign a note stating which kind of anatomy your kid has. Should others be able to force you to do that? No, of course not. A birth certificate should suffice. However, I don’t believe pediatricians are going to perform pelvic exams due to this bill.

Look at the amount of excuses you have to make to excuse your party’s pedophilia - under the guise of “protecting women athletes,” of course. Republicans truly are the Gross Old Perverts.

I’m still waiting to see how PP thinks internal female anatomy is verified without a pelvic exam.

NP. I take it you don't have children, or have never taken your children to the pediatrician for a well-child appointment. Are you childless? Or just not the default parent?

Seriously, if a child has female anatomy externally without having had any surgical procedures to alter their genitalia, and there’s never been any reason to think that their internal anatomy doesn’t match their external anatomy, their physician will just sign the form and that’s the end of it. This bill shouldn’t exist, it encourages harassment, and I don’t support it — but I also don’t believe it requires internal exams.

I can’t imagine this bill will withstand any scrutiny by the courts. It places a disproportionate burden on people who want to compete on girls’ sports teams.

THEN HAVE THEM REWRITE SO DOCTORS ARE NOT CERTIFYING INTERNAL SEX ORGANS.

Also, how do you deal with Intersex, Turners Syndrome, etc.a. At least 2% of Americans have genitalia that do not match genetic sex, ambiguous genitalia, etc.

Nope, that number is .018%, not 2%. More than 100 times less. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

These generic abnormalities have nothing to do with trans athlete- stop using them to justify your screwed up world view.

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Anonymous wrote:Legalizing the molestation of minors. Any DR that agrees to this is suspect.

I hesitate to say this because I don’t want anyone to misconstrue my comment as support for this bill, but from what I could find online (weird that the actual bill isn’t quoted in this thread at all) it appears that the text of the bill states that if the sex of an athlete is questioned, there are 3 ways the athlete can prove their sex, and one of them is with a note from a doctor, stating their sex based on external observations. Your sex would be part of your medical records, so your doctor should be able to write such a note without having to perform any new exams.

This bill is problematic, but it doesn’t suggest that anyone other than one’s doctor should be examining one’s genitalia.

You are wrong. The bill requires an internal gyn. exam. On a child who may not have even entered puberty (my very thin daughter did menstrate because she is so thin. She is defiantly female— in sex, in gender. But she was too thin to make estrogen (below 5% BMI) and that would not have been an option. And how many parents can afford to do a full genetic sequence on their kid?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergreene/2022/06/03/ohio-legislators-want-to-check-childrens-gender/?sh=1e575f343ad0

Read and learn what they are doing to women at a time when eating disorders and other body image issues are rampant.

I’ll take the 5 trans athletes, thanks.

Would you mind citing the passage that you think makes an internal gynecological exam is required? It doesn’t read that way to me.

#1. Examination of a participant’s INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL reproductive anatomy.

The word “examination” isn’t used. It’s “ The participant’s internal and external reproductive anatomy.” I don’t believe a pelvic exam is required. You just get your pediatrician to sign a note stating which kind of anatomy your kid has. Should others be able to force you to do that? No, of course not. A birth certificate should suffice. However, I don’t believe pediatricians are going to perform pelvic exams due to this bill.

Look at the amount of excuses you have to make to excuse your party’s pedophilia - under the guise of “protecting women athletes,” of course. Republicans truly are the Gross Old Perverts.

I’m still waiting to see how PP thinks internal female anatomy is verified without a pelvic exam.

NP. I take it you don't have children, or have never taken your children to the pediatrician for a well-child appointment. Are you childless? Or just not the default parent?

Seriously, if a child has female anatomy externally without having had any surgical procedures to alter their genitalia, and there’s never been any reason to think that their internal anatomy doesn’t match their external anatomy, their physician will just sign the form and that’s the end of it. This bill shouldn’t exist, it encourages harassment, and I don’t support it — but I also don’t believe it requires internal exams.

I can’t imagine this bill will withstand any scrutiny by the courts. It places a disproportionate burden on people who want to compete on girls’ sports teams.

THEN HAVE THEM REWRITE SO DOCTORS ARE NOT CERTIFYING INTERNAL SEX ORGANS.

Also, how do you deal with Intersex, Turners Syndrome, etc.a. At least 2% of Americans have genitalia that do not match genetic sex, ambiguous genitalia, etc.

Nope, that number is .018%, not 2%. More than 100 times less. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

Those kids exist, though, and shouldn't have to be made to feel like outsiders who have to undergo an extra exam that "normal" kids do not.