Is Johns Hopkins a place for non pre-med students

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The thought of a PE requirement is interesting. My DS is applying to two "STEM" type undergrad schools who both have a PE or sport requirement.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leana_Wen

She did not go to JHU.

Harvard and Yale have produced 4x and 2x more Nobel Prize winners than JHU...

Stop fooling yourself with the idea that JHU people have a superior moral mission to save the world or it's better than H or Y blah blah blah. It's just a pathetic excuse for JHU's significantly lower caliber of students and graduating alumni, and I say that as an objective fact, so you shouldn't take offense because you know it well but just afraid to admit it.

It's one of the least desired schools in the T10 with a yield rate below 40% and that's with ED - or in the T20, for that matter. Barely a T10 school had it not been COVID-19, US News Rankings and Bloomberg's record-breaking donation, but I doubt it would make a difference.

I have no affiliation with Hopkins, but it is a consensus top 10 school in the world. They are strong across all disciplines like its Ivy league peers. It also has access to as many resources, between its billions in endowment and membership in the CIC- something no Ivy can claim. It is really weird to read someone's words that castigate such a well reknown university as if it were the University of Phoenix online diploma mill.

It's not. Show me the consensus. I am just trying to expose the lies and exaggerations of you JHU boosters. USNWR ranks 6 medical schools ahead of JHU's very own, which is like the only thing the school is specialized in. Harvard, NYU, Duke, Columbia, Stanford all are much more well-known and have bigger endowments than JHU and overall much stronger across the board than whatever discipline it is at JHU. I have not even heard of the CIC and stop making the organization sound as if it's super important or prestigious as the Association of American Universities (AAU), which all the ivies are a part of. I looked at the list of CIC schools and 95% are third-rate institutions, not exactly the same league JHU should be aspiring to be in.

Hey, it’s not the medical school that is #1, it’s us, the School of Public Health! And at the moment we are working our a$$s off to get us out of this pandemic, not just here in the US but globally. I’m staff and a grad and I usually have an undergraduate working with me. They are always impressive young people. My own kid is more into sports and friends than books so it won’t be a fit for him, but it’s a good school for a dedicated student…especially for public health.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's just the Ivy obsessed people here that seem to want to downplay Hopkins. I was there for a non-STEM graduate degree. I have no interest in prestige but it amazes me how much street cred Hopkins carries (in and out of my professional field and in general social circles). Someone had mentioned this factor when I was choosing among grad school acceptances and I didn't factor it into my decision, but they were 100% correct. I chose Hopkins over some other programs that were ranked higher for my field....but not enough higher to compensate for tradeoff of financial packages I was offered. I am certain none of those schools would carry the prestige weight I still get for Hopkins.

Grad school-wise, Hopkins is a terrific place. Undergrad not so much. Has improved but still lags a little bit behind. PP was just trying to point out how some boosters like to conflate undergrad with overall prestige of the university or with certain programs.

On what basis do you think Hopkins undergrad is less “terrific” than its grad schools? Same profs, can take same courses, in most cases it’s the same campus (exceptions are SAIS and med school).

It's not the quality of the academics it's the school culture. For UGs I don't think it's particularly healthy, does have the same vibe as UChicago: where fun goes to die. I earned my PhD in a top 5 humanities grad program at Hopkins and admire the stellar academics, but don't think I'd be eager to send a kid there for UG. Georgetown, Dartmouth, or Penn would seem to offer a more balanced experience.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's just the Ivy obsessed people here that seem to want to downplay Hopkins. I was there for a non-STEM graduate degree. I have no interest in prestige but it amazes me how much street cred Hopkins carries (in and out of my professional field and in general social circles). Someone had mentioned this factor when I was choosing among grad school acceptances and I didn't factor it into my decision, but they were 100% correct. I chose Hopkins over some other programs that were ranked higher for my field....but not enough higher to compensate for tradeoff of financial packages I was offered. I am certain none of those schools would carry the prestige weight I still get for Hopkins.

Grad school-wise, Hopkins is a terrific place. Undergrad not so much. Has improved but still lags a little bit behind. PP was just trying to point out how some boosters like to conflate undergrad with overall prestige of the university or with certain programs.

On what basis do you think Hopkins undergrad is less “terrific” than its grad schools? Same profs, can take same courses, in most cases it’s the same campus (exceptions are SAIS and med school).

It's not the quality of the academics it's the school culture. For UGs I don't think it's particularly healthy, does have the same vibe as UChicago: where fun goes to die. I earned my PhD in a top 5 humanities grad program at Hopkins and admire the stellar academics, but don't think I'd be eager to send a kid there for UG. Georgetown, Dartmouth, or Penn would seem to offer a more balanced experience.

Penn has a lot more high profile suicides than jhu.

Dartmouth is happier but Penn is notoriously mental health poison.

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No, an “elite” education in the US claims to be more well-rounded precisely because the “leaders” it produces aren’t exceptionally smart, knowledgeable, creative, or well-read. And it shows. This isn’t about excellence in education — it’s about class formation.

We’ve got a few exceptionally rich people who have changed the world in pretty awful ways and then a larger cadre of mediocre Ivy-educated lackeys who enable/run interference for them. These are held up as our success stories, but the
people who actually make life better are often behind the scenes and don’t end up rich.

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Anonymous wrote:The thought of a PE requirement is interesting. My DS is applying to two "STEM" type undergrad schools who both have a PE or sport requirement.

LACs?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's just the Ivy obsessed people here that seem to want to downplay Hopkins. I was there for a non-STEM graduate degree. I have no interest in prestige but it amazes me how much street cred Hopkins carries (in and out of my professional field and in general social circles). Someone had mentioned this factor when I was choosing among grad school acceptances and I didn't factor it into my decision, but they were 100% correct. I chose Hopkins over some other programs that were ranked higher for my field....but not enough higher to compensate for tradeoff of financial packages I was offered. I am certain none of those schools would carry the prestige weight I still get for Hopkins.

Grad school-wise, Hopkins is a terrific place. Undergrad not so much. Has improved but still lags a little bit behind. PP was just trying to point out how some boosters like to conflate undergrad with overall prestige of the university or with certain programs.

On what basis do you think Hopkins undergrad is less “terrific” than its grad schools? Same profs, can take same courses, in most cases it’s the same campus (exceptions are SAIS and med school).

It's not the quality of the academics it's the school culture. For UGs I don't think it's particularly healthy, does have the same vibe as UChicago: where fun goes to die. I earned my PhD in a top 5 humanities grad program at Hopkins and admire the stellar academics, but don't think I'd be eager to send a kid there for UG. Georgetown, Dartmouth, or Penn would seem to offer a more balanced experience.

Penn has a lot more high profile suicides than jhu.

Dartmouth is happier but Penn is notoriously mental health poison.

I know plenty of people who went to Penn and were happy there.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's just the Ivy obsessed people here that seem to want to downplay Hopkins. I was there for a non-STEM graduate degree. I have no interest in prestige but it amazes me how much street cred Hopkins carries (in and out of my professional field and in general social circles). Someone had mentioned this factor when I was choosing among grad school acceptances and I didn't factor it into my decision, but they were 100% correct. I chose Hopkins over some other programs that were ranked higher for my field....but not enough higher to compensate for tradeoff of financial packages I was offered. I am certain none of those schools would carry the prestige weight I still get for Hopkins.

Grad school-wise, Hopkins is a terrific place. Undergrad not so much. Has improved but still lags a little bit behind. PP was just trying to point out how some boosters like to conflate undergrad with overall prestige of the university or with certain programs.

On what basis do you think Hopkins undergrad is less “terrific” than its grad schools? Same profs, can take same courses, in most cases it’s the same campus (exceptions are SAIS and med school).

It's not the quality of the academics it's the school culture. For UGs I don't think it's particularly healthy, does have the same vibe as UChicago: where fun goes to die. I earned my PhD in a top 5 humanities grad program at Hopkins and admire the stellar academics, but don't think I'd be eager to send a kid there for UG. Georgetown, Dartmouth, or Penn would seem to offer a more balanced experience.

Penn has a lot more high profile suicides than jhu.

Dartmouth is happier but Penn is notoriously mental health poison.

The fact it got more high profile coverage is precisely because it’s an Ivy League institution...

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's just the Ivy obsessed people here that seem to want to downplay Hopkins. I was there for a non-STEM graduate degree. I have no interest in prestige but it amazes me how much street cred Hopkins carries (in and out of my professional field and in general social circles). Someone had mentioned this factor when I was choosing among grad school acceptances and I didn't factor it into my decision, but they were 100% correct. I chose Hopkins over some other programs that were ranked higher for my field....but not enough higher to compensate for tradeoff of financial packages I was offered. I am certain none of those schools would carry the prestige weight I still get for Hopkins.

Grad school-wise, Hopkins is a terrific place. Undergrad not so much. Has improved but still lags a little bit behind. PP was just trying to point out how some boosters like to conflate undergrad with overall prestige of the university or with certain programs.

On what basis do you think Hopkins undergrad is less “terrific” than its grad schools? Same profs, can take same courses, in most cases it’s the same campus (exceptions are SAIS and med school).

It's not the quality of the academics it's the school culture. For UGs I don't think it's particularly healthy, does have the same vibe as UChicago: where fun goes to die. I earned my PhD in a top 5 humanities grad program at Hopkins and admire the stellar academics, but don't think I'd be eager to send a kid there for UG. Georgetown, Dartmouth, or Penn would seem to offer a more balanced experience.

Penn has a lot more high profile suicides than jhu.

Dartmouth is happier but Penn is notoriously mental health poison.

I know plenty of people who went to Penn and were happy there.

It's called the social ivy for a reason... JHU is leagues behind Penn in terms of the quality of on-campus social life.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's just the Ivy obsessed people here that seem to want to downplay Hopkins. I was there for a non-STEM graduate degree. I have no interest in prestige but it amazes me how much street cred Hopkins carries (in and out of my professional field and in general social circles). Someone had mentioned this factor when I was choosing among grad school acceptances and I didn't factor it into my decision, but they were 100% correct. I chose Hopkins over some other programs that were ranked higher for my field....but not enough higher to compensate for tradeoff of financial packages I was offered. I am certain none of those schools would carry the prestige weight I still get for Hopkins.

Grad school-wise, Hopkins is a terrific place. Undergrad not so much. Has improved but still lags a little bit behind. PP was just trying to point out how some boosters like to conflate undergrad with overall prestige of the university or with certain programs.

On what basis do you think Hopkins undergrad is less “terrific” than its grad schools? Same profs, can take same courses, in most cases it’s the same campus (exceptions are SAIS and med school).

It's not the quality of the academics it's the school culture. For UGs I don't think it's particularly healthy, does have the same vibe as UChicago: where fun goes to die. I earned my PhD in a top 5 humanities grad program at Hopkins and admire the stellar academics, but don't think I'd be eager to send a kid there for UG. Georgetown, Dartmouth, or Penn would seem to offer a more balanced experience.

Penn has a lot more high profile suicides than jhu.

Dartmouth is happier but Penn is notoriously mental health poison.

I know plenty of people who went to Penn and were happy there.

It's called the social ivy for a reason... JHU is leagues behind Penn in terms of the quality of on-campus social life.

Penn is so shitty the caps director killed themselves…ironic.

There are multiple threads over the years specifically about Penn and happiness/mental health.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's just the Ivy obsessed people here that seem to want to downplay Hopkins. I was there for a non-STEM graduate degree. I have no interest in prestige but it amazes me how much street cred Hopkins carries (in and out of my professional field and in general social circles). Someone had mentioned this factor when I was choosing among grad school acceptances and I didn't factor it into my decision, but they were 100% correct. I chose Hopkins over some other programs that were ranked higher for my field....but not enough higher to compensate for tradeoff of financial packages I was offered. I am certain none of those schools would carry the prestige weight I still get for Hopkins.

Grad school-wise, Hopkins is a terrific place. Undergrad not so much. Has improved but still lags a little bit behind. PP was just trying to point out how some boosters like to conflate undergrad with overall prestige of the university or with certain programs.

On what basis do you think Hopkins undergrad is less “terrific” than its grad schools? Same profs, can take same courses, in most cases it’s the same campus (exceptions are SAIS and med school).

It's not the quality of the academics it's the school culture. For UGs I don't think it's particularly healthy, does have the same vibe as UChicago: where fun goes to die. I earned my PhD in a top 5 humanities grad program at Hopkins and admire the stellar academics, but don't think I'd be eager to send a kid there for UG. Georgetown, Dartmouth, or Penn would seem to offer a more balanced experience.

Penn has a lot more high profile suicides than jhu.

Dartmouth is happier but Penn is notoriously mental health poison.

I know plenty of people who went to Penn and were happy there.

It's called the social ivy for a reason... JHU is leagues behind Penn in terms of the quality of on-campus social life.

Penn is so shitty the caps director killed themselves…ironic.

There are multiple threads over the years specifically about Penn and happiness/mental health.

Doesn't make JHU a better school in terms of happiness/mental health. Stop dragging other schools into the conversation.