Common Core's epic fail: Special Education

[Anonymous]

The Common Core standards are not "a huge program". They are not any program of any size. They are standards.

So, I can take a ruler (which is a standard 12 inches) and put it in my drawer. I do not have to use it. It makes about as much sense as what you are saying.

[Anonymous]

The Common Core standards are not "a huge program". They are not any program of any size. They are standards.

What is their purpose?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Do you have any understanding of educational studies and how new materials are developed. You have pilot programs and test programs. These are usually run out of universities.

You don't think this is better than arbitrarily putting a huge program with major shifts into all schools?

Again, I ask, who would volunteer their kids for such a program? Who wants their kids to be guinea pigs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

LOL, you set yourself up for a knockdown by not even bothering to look at even the most basic Common Core information.

http://www.corestandards.org/about-the-standards/frequently-asked-questions/

"Were teachers involved in the creation of the standards?
Yes. Teachers have been a critical voice in the development of the standards. The Common Core State Standards drafting process relied on teachers and standards experts from across the country. Teachers were involved in the development process in four ways:
They served on the Work Groups and Feedback Groups for the ELA and math standards.
The National Education Association (NEA), American Federation of Teachers (AFT), National Council of Teachers of Mathematics (NCTM), and National Council of Teachers of English (NCTE), among other organizations were instrumental in bringing together teachers to provide specific, constructive feedback on the standards
Teachers were members of teams states convened to provide regular feedback on drafts of the standards.
Teachers provided input on the Common Core State Standards during the two public comment periods."

http://www.corestandards.org/about-the-standards/development-process/

Development Process

The state-led effort to develop the Common Core State Standards was launched in 2009 by state leaders, including governors and state commissioners of education from 48 states, two territories and the District of Columbia, through their membership in the National Governors Association Center for Best Practices (NGA Center) and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO). State school chiefs and governors recognized the value of consistent, real-world learning goals and launched this effort to ensure all students, regardless of where they live, are graduating high school prepared for college, career, and life.

The standards are informed by:

The best state standards already in existence
The experience of teachers, content experts, states, and leading thinkers
Feedback from the public

Development Criteria: http://www.corestandards.org/assets/Criteria.pdf

So, your "developed in isolation" and "no teachers were involved or consulted" is complete mythology

Double LOL! Now, go look up the lists of the committee members. ( I did this long ago. Hint: Few to no classroom teachers.)

You were already proven WRONG in your assertion that there were no teachers involved, that it was all done in isolation.

[Anonymous]

The whiny CC critic has STILL failed to say specifically what is wrong with any element of the standard.

Monumental FAIL.

[Anonymous]

You were already proven WRONG in your assertion that there were no teachers involved, that it was all done in isolation.

Actually, no. Why don't you post the list of committee members that wrote the standards?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The Common Core standards are not "a huge program". They are not any program of any size. They are standards.

So, I can take a ruler (which is a standard 12 inches) and put it in my drawer. I do not have to use it. It makes about as much sense as what you are saying.

Then please explain how "Fluently add and subtract within 20 using mental strategies.2 By end of Grade 2, know from memory all sums of two one-digit numbers." is a program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You were already proven WRONG in your assertion that there were no teachers involved, that it was all done in isolation.

Actually, no. Why don't you post the list of committee members that wrote the standards?

Could you please explain how it is relevant to the standards whether or not teachers were involved in the writing of the standards? Is the argument that if teachers are not involved in the writing of the standards, then the standards are bad? If that is what you believe, and you believe that teachers were not involved, then could you please point to one or two of those bad standards?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The Common Core standards are not "a huge program". They are not any program of any size. They are standards.

What is their purpose?

The Common Core State Standards establish clear, consistent guidelines for what every student should know and be able to do in math and English language arts from kindergarten through 12th grade.

I think that's valuable.

[Anonymous]

Then please explain how "Fluently add and subtract within 20 using mental strategies.2 By end of Grade 2, know from memory all sums of two one-digit numbers." is a program.

Honey. You are claiming that these are standards that stand alone. You have said that they have nothing to do with curriculum or testing. Please explain how that works.

[Anonymous]

The Common Core State Standards establish clear, consistent guidelines for what every student should know and be able to do in math and English language arts from kindergarten through 12th grade.

I think that's valuable.

I disagree with your "clear, consistent guidelines". I'm still waiting for the list of teachers involved--that is, classroom teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Then please explain how "Fluently add and subtract within 20 using mental strategies.2 By end of Grade 2, know from memory all sums of two one-digit numbers." is a program.

Honey. You are claiming that these are standards that stand alone. You have said that they have nothing to do with curriculum or testing. Please explain how that works.

Who has said that the standards have nothing to do with the curriculum or testing? That would be absurd. If you want children to meet the standards, then you need a curriculum that is aligned to the standards. If you want to know whether children are meeting the standards, then you need a test that is aligned to the standards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The Common Core State Standards establish clear, consistent guidelines for what every student should know and be able to do in math and English language arts from kindergarten through 12th grade.

I think that's valuable.

I disagree with your "clear, consistent guidelines". I'm still waiting for the list of teachers involved--that is, classroom teachers.

So your argument: classroom teachers were not involved, therefore it is impossible for the guidelines to be clear and consistent - yes?

Which guidelines do you think are not clear and consistent? Could you give some examples, please?

[Anonymous]

Who has said that the standards have nothing to do with the curriculum or testing? That would be absurd. If you want children to meet the standards, then you need a curriculum that is aligned to the standards. If you want to know whether children are meeting the standards, then you need a test that is aligned to the standards.

Well, then, either the writers of the curriculum and tests are really dumb, or there is a serious problem with the standards. Either that, or the standards were rolled out without testing or development.

[Anonymous]

So your argument: classroom teachers were not involved, therefore it is impossible for the guidelines to be clear and consistent - yes?

Yes, but more important, without teacher input, I question the developmental appropriateness of the standards. It's easy to write standards if you don't deal with kids.