Endicott College, Lake Forrest College, Manhattanville College

[Anonymous]

Has anyone ever heard of any of these colleges? DS' counselors keeps adding schools or suggesting schools I've never heard of, that don't look too great in my opinion...but maybe I'm wrong?

[Anonymous]

Manhattanville is a great school for the B student. It's historically affiliated with the Religious of the Sacred Heart of Jesus (RSCJ), the same order as at Stone Ridge, but is no longer a religious school. I actually applied there and almost went (ended up going to Drew instead) and I think I would have been very happy. Schools like this are also an excellent place to experience great teaching and for exceptional students with high test scores to get great merit aid.

One of the reasons I applied (and this was a long time ago) is that I was a mediocre student with very good test scores. Manhattanville was recovering from a scandal around misreporting their test scores (in their own favor) at the time, and was desperate for students who would legitimately raise them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Manhattanville is a great school for the B student. It's historically affiliated with the Religious of the Sacred Heart of Jesus (RSCJ), the same order as at Stone Ridge, but is no longer a religious school. I actually applied there and almost went (ended up going to Drew instead) and I think I would have been very happy. Schools like this are also an excellent place to experience great teaching and for exceptional students with high test scores to get great merit aid.

One of the reasons I applied (and this was a long time ago) is that I was a mediocre student with very good test scores. Manhattanville was recovering from a scandal around misreporting their test scores (in their own favor) at the time, and was desperate for students who would legitimately raise them.

I think a long time ago B students were different than today, since there is much more grade inflation today than before. Don't know what your "long time ago" is, but I graduated HS in '85. Back then, APs weren't weighted--so a 4.0 was still the top of the line for us. Getting a B in an AP class was pretty darn good. Not so much today.

I'm the OP, not sure if that matters. Anyway, DS has an unweighted 3.6 from a very rigorous boarding school, so i'm not even sure if these seem like a good match--they seem a bit regional (to me), but the school is in New England so I'm sure it doesn't seem that way to the counselor.

Thanks for your response!

[Anonymous]

12:19 here. My long time ago is more recent than yours, but still 20 years. I can tell you that the stigma at M'ville re: the test score situation still persists in higher ed admin but also that it doesn't reflect on the overall perception of the quality of the education. M'ville is definitely not regional, although I'd classify the other two as such. With an unweighted 3.6 from a rigorous boarding school, I'd say that M'ville is a good safety but that unless it's an amazing fit, your DS could probably do better.

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My DS had Lake Forest in his final four schools he was down to two years back, but ultimately went elsewhere. It is a fantastic school with opportunities for sports and clubs for a variety of students, and being close to Chicago is really appealing for internships. Merit aid is also good, especially if you are coming from further away; the school has a lot of students from Illinois/Wisconsin/Indiana and was not as geographically diverse as some of the other schools we looked at.

[Anonymous]

Endicott has a really neat internship program. Perhaps the counselor thinks that might be good fit.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS had Lake Forest in his final four schools he was down to two years back, but ultimately went elsewhere. It is a fantastic school with opportunities for sports and clubs for a variety of students, and being close to Chicago is really appealing for internships. Merit aid is also good, especially if you are coming from further away; the school has a lot of students from Illinois/Wisconsin/Indiana and was not as geographically diverse as some of the other schools we looked at.

My BIL went to Lake Forest, emerged with an excellent education and an interesting group of lifelong friends (e.g. clergywoman, visual artist, artisanal brewer). He’s an always-learning kinda guy (reference librarian at a t20 university), who also values work-life balance. Had a great study abroad experience and he says you don’t get out of Lake Forest without becoming a good writer. Don’t know how much has changed since he went there, but, as the only Lake Forest grad I know, he’s left me with a very positive impression of the school.

[Anonymous]

One of our summer neighbor's DC went to Endicott, although they live in MA so it was local for them. It seemed to be a good experience. The DC isn't that academically inclined, but Endicott seems to have good vocational paths. The DC is now working in a job related to her major so that's a good sign.

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Anonymous wrote:One of our summer neighbor's DC went to Endicott, although they live in MA so it was local for them. It seemed to be a good experience. The DC isn't that academically inclined, but Endicott seems to have good vocational paths. The DC is now working in a job related to her major so that's a good sign.

Why would you send your kid to a college/university for a vocation? That doesn't make sense.

OP's kids sounds more academically inclined.

[Anonymous]

I haven't heard of Endicott, but I have heard of the other two. Not much to say about Manhattanville other than that the one person I know who went there didn't like it and transferred out of it after freshman year (back in 2007).

Lake Forest has a beautiful campus and is well regarded, even more so in the midwest.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of our summer neighbor's DC went to Endicott, although they live in MA so it was local for them. It seemed to be a good experience. The DC isn't that academically inclined, but Endicott seems to have good vocational paths. The DC is now working in a job related to her major so that's a good sign.

Why would you send your kid to a college/university for a vocation? That doesn't make sense.

OP's kids sounds more academically inclined.

Sorry if that wasn't clear. It was a neighbors kid, not my kids.

The neighbors kid majored in graphic design. But Endicott also has programs in exercise science, event management, hospitality management, coaching certification, early childhood education, athletic training, along with more traditional subjects. I don't see anything wrong with that - not everyone wants to go to grad school.

[Anonymous]

Private school college counselors often have their own agenda and are trying to appease parents, students, and colleges. Encourage your ds to do his own research and prepare a few suggested schools of his own liking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of our summer neighbor's DC went to Endicott, although they live in MA so it was local for them. It seemed to be a good experience. The DC isn't that academically inclined, but Endicott seems to have good vocational paths. The DC is now working in a job related to her major so that's a good sign.

Why would you send your kid to a college/university for a vocation? That doesn't make sense.

OP's kids sounds more academically inclined.

Sorry if that wasn't clear. It was a neighbors kid, not my kids.

The neighbors kid majored in graphic design. But Endicott also has programs in exercise science, event management, hospitality management, coaching certification, early childhood education, athletic training, along with more traditional subjects. I don't see anything wrong with that - not everyone wants to go to grad school.

I meant the general "you", perhaps I should have said why would one go to a ....

Then one should go to a vocational or technical school. The American system of going to university for something like event management (wth?) is absurd and just creates tiers and strata of universities while watering down a bachelor's degree in general. There is nothing wrong with having a vocation, but it should be different than having a bachelor of science in mathematics, for pete's sake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of our summer neighbor's DC went to Endicott, although they live in MA so it was local for them. It seemed to be a good experience. The DC isn't that academically inclined, but Endicott seems to have good vocational paths. The DC is now working in a job related to her major so that's a good sign.

Why would you send your kid to a college/university for a vocation? That doesn't make sense.

OP's kids sounds more academically inclined.

Sorry if that wasn't clear. It was a neighbors kid, not my kids.

The neighbors kid majored in graphic design. But Endicott also has programs in exercise science, event management, hospitality management, coaching certification, early childhood education, athletic training, along with more traditional subjects. I don't see anything wrong with that - not everyone wants to go to grad school.

I meant the general "you", perhaps I should have said why would one go to a ....

Then one should go to a vocational or technical school. The American system of going to university for something like event management (wth?) is absurd and just creates tiers and strata of universities while watering down a bachelor's degree in general. There is nothing wrong with having a vocation, but it should be different than having a bachelor of science in mathematics, for pete's sake.

Why?

[Anonymous]

A close friend went to Endicott undergrad and then on to a top 10 grad school. Immediately and gainfully employed in chosen field. Friend had a learning disability that Endicott helped support throughout college.