Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The craziest ones were the people adamant it was Scarlett Johansson. Conveniently, the Blake bots have ignored this stupid prediction from weeks ago.

ScarJo at least fit the facts better than Reynolds, Liz Plank, or Ari Emanuel, who were the suggestions I personally saw most often. I mean, ScarJo was the director of a recent Wayfarer film project. The declarant was the director of a recent Wayfarer film project. Ayoub was the better guess because if timeline and the fact that ScarJo would have been over the top drama, but ScarJo was way less of a leap than Reynolds, which requires you to totally overlook the fact that he's never done a project with Wayfarer, that this would mean Sarowitz made the Hamas threat to his face but said it in the third person for some reason, and that Lively just chose not to plead that Ryan has been directly threatened by Sarowitz in her complaint because... reasons.

ScarJo was wishful thinking by Blake supporters, but it was way more probable than Ryan Reynolds, and that suggestion was treated as totally normal, even likely.

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Anonymous wrote:It could also be writer/director Claire Ayoub, who made the film Empire Waist with Wayfarer as producer. The movie was actually filmed in 2021, so not in conflict with IEWU and more likely that Baldoni might have been dropping by the set. It didn't premiere in the US until September 2024 and I don't think it had an in-person premiere, just a streaming release. The movie co-stars Rainn Wilson, longtime Baldoni pal and fellow member of his church.

Or it could be Roshan Sethi, director of A Nice Indian Boy, or Zarna Gang, one of the costars who is also a well-established standup and podcasters and may have a decent amount of sway on the set. Jamey Heath and others from Wayfarer attended the premiere in March of 2024 (at SXSW) but Baldoni did not. Production on this one would have conflicted with IEWU though so less likely Baldoni could have been on set.

This is my post from weeks ago speculating the "mystery declarant" could be Claire Ayoub. I was right! I'm a little surprised because I'd been persuaded by people saying they were unlikely to be a woman since the declaration didn't emphasize that. But the timing and Ayoub's position in the production made so much more sense than anyone else people were suggesting.

I would like to give you your flowers for this, except that on this movie flowers has become something of a loaded term lol. Anyway, kudos to you on the sleuthing -- very impressive! You are like the only person that ever mentioned Ayoub's name in connection with this declaration as a guess!

Ayoub was one of a small list of people it could have been -- it was very obviously a director or person at a similar level on a relatively recent Wayfarer production. So Ayoub, Sethi, Scarlett Johansson, someone involve with Will & Harper... really only a handful of options because Wayfarer has not made that many movies. And really the timing didn't make sense for most of these because Baldoni would not have been able to be on set for most of these movies due to the nature of filming (Will & Harper was a documentary about a road trip) or the filming conflicted with IEWU.

The people speculating that it was Ari Emmanuel, Liz Plank, Ryan Reynolds, etc., were all engaged in wishful thinking and clearly not really reading the declaration. Or handwaving the ways these people didn't fit with "whatever, Blake lies."

There just seems to be an extremely loose relationship between many people watching this case and logic or reasoning.

Baldoni supporters saying it was Reynolds were the craziest, to me. No logic whatsoever. In the quote, he is referring to Lively and Reynolds. THEY were the two dead bodies. So if he was talking to Reynolds at the time, he wouldn't say, "There will be two dead bodies. ... They better not test me." [or whatever language he used -- but it was "they" not "you"]

The Baldoni supporters claim to be armchair detectives etc but some of them are very dense.

And the way they have gone after Ayoub, very fine upstanding people. So much support for other women. Bur supposedly it's all "organic". Sure! When their case goes awry they come after the "bots". So predictable.

I haven’t seen anyone on the thread come after her. It’s more just that the story seems inconsequential. Baldoni still does not have a history of sexual harassment and for us to be a year in and all we are seeing is this is not going to help Blake.

The declaration was never presented as evidence of a history of SH. It doesn't allege SH.

It was presented as evidence that Steve Sarowitz issued a violent threat towards Lively and Reynolds, which is pretty important evidence in the retaliation case. And the fact that Ayoub recorded the conversation, and that she appears to have been independently driven to do so based on previous negative experiences with Wayfarer, and that she has no connection to Reynolds or Lively, make her declaration and potential testimony more persuasive to a jury.

And yes, Ayoub could wind up testifying. If the recording is deemed admissible, something that will be determined before trial, Lively would have to call Ayoub in order to get the recording entered into evidence, so the jury could hear it. There is no one else with direct knowledge of the video's creation, so it would have to be Ayoub. It is debatable what, if anything, Ayoub would be allowed to say about he prior negative interactions with Baldoni. It would depend on how the judge ruled on the relevance versus prejudicial quality of such testimony.it would also depend on if and how Wayfarer's lawyers cross examined Ayoub.

So yes, Ayoub and her declaration are consequential. To say otherwise is to totally misunderstand the nature of this lawsuit.

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Anonymous wrote:It could also be writer/director Claire Ayoub, who made the film Empire Waist with Wayfarer as producer. The movie was actually filmed in 2021, so not in conflict with IEWU and more likely that Baldoni might have been dropping by the set. It didn't premiere in the US until September 2024 and I don't think it had an in-person premiere, just a streaming release. The movie co-stars Rainn Wilson, longtime Baldoni pal and fellow member of his church.

Or it could be Roshan Sethi, director of A Nice Indian Boy, or Zarna Gang, one of the costars who is also a well-established standup and podcasters and may have a decent amount of sway on the set. Jamey Heath and others from Wayfarer attended the premiere in March of 2024 (at SXSW) but Baldoni did not. Production on this one would have conflicted with IEWU though so less likely Baldoni could have been on set.

This is my post from weeks ago speculating the "mystery declarant" could be Claire Ayoub. I was right! I'm a little surprised because I'd been persuaded by people saying they were unlikely to be a woman since the declaration didn't emphasize that. But the timing and Ayoub's position in the production made so much more sense than anyone else people were suggesting.

I would like to give you your flowers for this, except that on this movie flowers has become something of a loaded term lol. Anyway, kudos to you on the sleuthing -- very impressive! You are like the only person that ever mentioned Ayoub's name in connection with this declaration as a guess!

Ayoub was one of a small list of people it could have been -- it was very obviously a director or person at a similar level on a relatively recent Wayfarer production. So Ayoub, Sethi, Scarlett Johansson, someone involve with Will & Harper... really only a handful of options because Wayfarer has not made that many movies. And really the timing didn't make sense for most of these because Baldoni would not have been able to be on set for most of these movies due to the nature of filming (Will & Harper was a documentary about a road trip) or the filming conflicted with IEWU.

The people speculating that it was Ari Emmanuel, Liz Plank, Ryan Reynolds, etc., were all engaged in wishful thinking and clearly not really reading the declaration. Or handwaving the ways these people didn't fit with "whatever, Blake lies."

There just seems to be an extremely loose relationship between many people watching this case and logic or reasoning.

Baldoni supporters saying it was Reynolds were the craziest, to me. No logic whatsoever. In the quote, he is referring to Lively and Reynolds. THEY were the two dead bodies. So if he was talking to Reynolds at the time, he wouldn't say, "There will be two dead bodies. ... They better not test me." [or whatever language he used -- but it was "they" not "you"]

The Baldoni supporters claim to be armchair detectives etc but some of them are very dense.

And the way they have gone after Ayoub, very fine upstanding people. So much support for other women. Bur supposedly it's all "organic". Sure! When their case goes awry they come after the "bots". So predictable.

I haven’t seen anyone on the thread come after her. It’s more just that the story seems inconsequential. Baldoni still does not have a history of sexual harassment and for us to be a year in and all we are seeing is this is not going to help Blake.

The declaration was never presented as evidence of a history of SH. It doesn't allege SH.

It was presented as evidence that Steve Sarowitz issued a violent threat towards Lively and Reynolds, which is pretty important evidence in the retaliation case. And the fact that Ayoub recorded the conversation, and that she appears to have been independently driven to do so based on previous negative experiences with Wayfarer, and that she has no connection to Reynolds or Lively, make her declaration and potential testimony more persuasive to a jury.

And yes, Ayoub could wind up testifying. If the recording is deemed admissible, something that will be determined before trial, Lively would have to call Ayoub in order to get the recording entered into evidence, so the jury could hear it. There is no one else with direct knowledge of the video's creation, so it would have to be Ayoub. It is debatable what, if anything, Ayoub would be allowed to say about he prior negative interactions with Baldoni. It would depend on how the judge ruled on the relevance versus prejudicial quality of such testimony.it would also depend on if and how Wayfarer's lawyers cross examined Ayoub.

So yes, Ayoub and her declaration are consequential. To say otherwise is to totally misunderstand the nature of this lawsuit.

She would be allowed to say zero about negative interactions with Baldoni, that’s the kind of wrong judicial decision that wpild result in a successful appeal. Not even in a gray area here.

The recording independently is likely inadmissible at trial because it was illegally recorded. Illinois. California and Connecticut are two party consent states and she did not tell him she was recording. I believe WF already has argued this.

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Propensity evidence is not admissible, a judge would never get to the more prejudicial or relevant balancing.

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Anonymous wrote:It could also be writer/director Claire Ayoub, who made the film Empire Waist with Wayfarer as producer. The movie was actually filmed in 2021, so not in conflict with IEWU and more likely that Baldoni might have been dropping by the set. It didn't premiere in the US until September 2024 and I don't think it had an in-person premiere, just a streaming release. The movie co-stars Rainn Wilson, longtime Baldoni pal and fellow member of his church.

Or it could be Roshan Sethi, director of A Nice Indian Boy, or Zarna Gang, one of the costars who is also a well-established standup and podcasters and may have a decent amount of sway on the set. Jamey Heath and others from Wayfarer attended the premiere in March of 2024 (at SXSW) but Baldoni did not. Production on this one would have conflicted with IEWU though so less likely Baldoni could have been on set.

This is my post from weeks ago speculating the "mystery declarant" could be Claire Ayoub. I was right! I'm a little surprised because I'd been persuaded by people saying they were unlikely to be a woman since the declaration didn't emphasize that. But the timing and Ayoub's position in the production made so much more sense than anyone else people were suggesting.

I would like to give you your flowers for this, except that on this movie flowers has become something of a loaded term lol. Anyway, kudos to you on the sleuthing -- very impressive! You are like the only person that ever mentioned Ayoub's name in connection with this declaration as a guess!

Ayoub was one of a small list of people it could have been -- it was very obviously a director or person at a similar level on a relatively recent Wayfarer production. So Ayoub, Sethi, Scarlett Johansson, someone involve with Will & Harper... really only a handful of options because Wayfarer has not made that many movies. And really the timing didn't make sense for most of these because Baldoni would not have been able to be on set for most of these movies due to the nature of filming (Will & Harper was a documentary about a road trip) or the filming conflicted with IEWU.

The people speculating that it was Ari Emmanuel, Liz Plank, Ryan Reynolds, etc., were all engaged in wishful thinking and clearly not really reading the declaration. Or handwaving the ways these people didn't fit with "whatever, Blake lies."

There just seems to be an extremely loose relationship between many people watching this case and logic or reasoning.

Baldoni supporters saying it was Reynolds were the craziest, to me. No logic whatsoever. In the quote, he is referring to Lively and Reynolds. THEY were the two dead bodies. So if he was talking to Reynolds at the time, he wouldn't say, "There will be two dead bodies. ... They better not test me." [or whatever language he used -- but it was "they" not "you"]

The Baldoni supporters claim to be armchair detectives etc but some of them are very dense.

And the way they have gone after Ayoub, very fine upstanding people. So much support for other women. Bur supposedly it's all "organic". Sure! When their case goes awry they come after the "bots". So predictable.

I haven’t seen anyone on the thread come after her. It’s more just that the story seems inconsequential. Baldoni still does not have a history of sexual harassment and for us to be a year in and all we are seeing is this is not going to help Blake.

The declaration was never presented as evidence of a history of SH. It doesn't allege SH.

It was presented as evidence that Steve Sarowitz issued a violent threat towards Lively and Reynolds, which is pretty important evidence in the retaliation case. And the fact that Ayoub recorded the conversation, and that she appears to have been independently driven to do so based on previous negative experiences with Wayfarer, and that she has no connection to Reynolds or Lively, make her declaration and potential testimony more persuasive to a jury.

And yes, Ayoub could wind up testifying. If the recording is deemed admissible, something that will be determined before trial, Lively would have to call Ayoub in order to get the recording entered into evidence, so the jury could hear it. There is no one else with direct knowledge of the video's creation, so it would have to be Ayoub. It is debatable what, if anything, Ayoub would be allowed to say about he prior negative interactions with Baldoni. It would depend on how the judge ruled on the relevance versus prejudicial quality of such testimony.it would also depend on if and how Wayfarer's lawyers cross examined Ayoub.

So yes, Ayoub and her declaration are consequential. To say otherwise is to totally misunderstand the nature of this lawsuit.

She would be allowed to say zero about negative interactions with Baldoni, that’s the kind of wrong judicial decision that wpild result in a successful appeal. Not even in a gray area here.

The recording independently is likely inadmissible at trial because it was illegally recorded. Illinois. California and Connecticut are two party consent states and she did not tell him she was recording. I believe WF already has argued this.

I guess we'll see whether the recording is excluded on a technicality. If it's not, the negative interactions with Baldoni could come in if Wayfarer tries to impeach Ayoub, as it would be relevant to defense of that impeachment.

My general point was that her declaration is relevant for the Sarowitz recording, which is absolutely important. No one has suggested that it is important evidence of a history of SH. The point is that Sarowitz was issuing violent threat s towards Lively and Reynolds. That is hugely relevant.

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Anonymous wrote:Propensity evidence is not admissible, a judge would never get to the more prejudicial or relevant balancing.

It would not come in as propensity evidence, it would come in on re-direct in defense of witness impeachment. Yes, would require Wayfarer's lawyers to mess up cross. But they mess stuff up a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:It could also be writer/director Claire Ayoub, who made the film Empire Waist with Wayfarer as producer. The movie was actually filmed in 2021, so not in conflict with IEWU and more likely that Baldoni might have been dropping by the set. It didn't premiere in the US until September 2024 and I don't think it had an in-person premiere, just a streaming release. The movie co-stars Rainn Wilson, longtime Baldoni pal and fellow member of his church.

Or it could be Roshan Sethi, director of A Nice Indian Boy, or Zarna Gang, one of the costars who is also a well-established standup and podcasters and may have a decent amount of sway on the set. Jamey Heath and others from Wayfarer attended the premiere in March of 2024 (at SXSW) but Baldoni did not. Production on this one would have conflicted with IEWU though so less likely Baldoni could have been on set.

This is my post from weeks ago speculating the "mystery declarant" could be Claire Ayoub. I was right! I'm a little surprised because I'd been persuaded by people saying they were unlikely to be a woman since the declaration didn't emphasize that. But the timing and Ayoub's position in the production made so much more sense than anyone else people were suggesting.

I would like to give you your flowers for this, except that on this movie flowers has become something of a loaded term lol. Anyway, kudos to you on the sleuthing -- very impressive! You are like the only person that ever mentioned Ayoub's name in connection with this declaration as a guess!

Ayoub was one of a small list of people it could have been -- it was very obviously a director or person at a similar level on a relatively recent Wayfarer production. So Ayoub, Sethi, Scarlett Johansson, someone involve with Will & Harper... really only a handful of options because Wayfarer has not made that many movies. And really the timing didn't make sense for most of these because Baldoni would not have been able to be on set for most of these movies due to the nature of filming (Will & Harper was a documentary about a road trip) or the filming conflicted with IEWU.

The people speculating that it was Ari Emmanuel, Liz Plank, Ryan Reynolds, etc., were all engaged in wishful thinking and clearly not really reading the declaration. Or handwaving the ways these people didn't fit with "whatever, Blake lies."

There just seems to be an extremely loose relationship between many people watching this case and logic or reasoning.

Baldoni supporters saying it was Reynolds were the craziest, to me. No logic whatsoever. In the quote, he is referring to Lively and Reynolds. THEY were the two dead bodies. So if he was talking to Reynolds at the time, he wouldn't say, "There will be two dead bodies. ... They better not test me." [or whatever language he used -- but it was "they" not "you"]

The Baldoni supporters claim to be armchair detectives etc but some of them are very dense.

And the way they have gone after Ayoub, very fine upstanding people. So much support for other women. Bur supposedly it's all "organic". Sure! When their case goes awry they come after the "bots". So predictable.

I haven’t seen anyone on the thread come after her. It’s more just that the story seems inconsequential. Baldoni still does not have a history of sexual harassment and for us to be a year in and all we are seeing is this is not going to help Blake.

Oh, "in this thread"? So are you denying that anyone is coming after Ayoub anywhere? Don't play dumb. Baldoni is cooked but keep deflecting and attacking all the women who hated working for him. How much is he paying you to be a sycophant?

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Some of the Blake defenders are getting so granular about this case and not realizing the big picture at all.

In the history of the me too movement no man been taken down for sexual harassment without multiple women coming forward. At the start of this case, there were a couple of women in the Hollywood community, Kate Beckinsale and Abigail Breslin, who were at least able to come out and say they’ve had bad experiences - not with Baldoni, but on sets, but at least it was some solidarity with Blake.

Since Justin published the website that has stopped. In fact, Kate took the post down. No one has publicly come forward to help. There was talk of Jenny Slate and Isabel. That seems to have fallen through. Jenny seemed to have a minor problem with Jamie Heath that was not related to sexual harassment and Isabel seems to not want anything to do with this case, certainly does not seem like she wants to help either of them.

We all know that as a society we don’t do great with sexual harassment accusations. I don’t know if we thought Blake would be the exception because she is so powerful but I think this illustrates that you still need a few people coming forward. You still need to show a pattern of problematic behavior. I am just not seeing how this new director coming forward does that to the extent Blake needs.

Blake is more isolated than ever. No Taylor album release party invite. No new projects (the one she is producing with literally no one else attached to it doesn’t count, at least not yet). Ryan was coming out with a lot of support earlier on, pictures of them together with sweet music, etc. now he lets Mother’s Day and her birthday blow by with nothing and he’s taken off a bunch of recent photos. That could absolutely mean nothing or him just trying to lay low, but it doesn’t look great and it does seem like she is more isolated.

However you feel about Blake, the lesson is coming out very strong that unless you have people willing to corroborate your story you have an uphill climb. That’s always been the case, I really think Blakes people thought because of her and Ryan’s power they were going to be exempt from this, or that people would support them because we all like proximity to power. But it doesn’t seem like it.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of the Blake defenders are getting so granular about this case and not realizing the big picture at all.

In the history of the me too movement no man been taken down for sexual harassment without multiple women coming forward. At the start of this case, there were a couple of women in the Hollywood community, Kate Beckinsale and Abigail Breslin, who were at least able to come out and say they’ve had bad experiences - not with Baldoni, but on sets, but at least it was some solidarity with Blake.

Since Justin published the website that has stopped. In fact, Kate took the post down. No one has publicly come forward to help. There was talk of Jenny Slate and Isabel. That seems to have fallen through. Jenny seemed to have a minor problem with Jamie Heath that was not related to sexual harassment and Isabel seems to not want anything to do with this case, certainly does not seem like she wants to help either of them.

We all know that as a society we don’t do great with sexual harassment accusations. I don’t know if we thought Blake would be the exception because she is so powerful but I think this illustrates that you still need a few people coming forward. You still need to show a pattern of problematic behavior. I am just not seeing how this new director coming forward does that to the extent Blake needs.

Blake is more isolated than ever. No Taylor album release party invite. No new projects (the one she is producing with literally no one else attached to it doesn’t count, at least not yet). Ryan was coming out with a lot of support earlier on, pictures of them together with sweet music, etc. now he lets Mother’s Day and her birthday blow by with nothing and he’s taken off a bunch of recent photos. That could absolutely mean nothing or him just trying to lay low, but it doesn’t look great and it does seem like she is more isolated.

However you feel about Blake, the lesson is coming out very strong that unless you have people willing to corroborate your story you have an uphill climb. That’s always been the case, I really think Blakes people thought because of her and Ryan’s power they were going to be exempt from this, or that people would support them because we all like proximity to power. But it doesn’t seem like it.

Do you get paid by the word for this drivel?

[Anonymous]

Ha ha, Blake bots going back to accusing others of the same thing they've been accused of doing!

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Anonymous wrote:Ha ha, Blake bots going back to accusing others of the same thing they've been accused of doing!

Looks pretty stupid, doesn't it? Maybe you should stop.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha ha, Blake bots going back to accusing others of the same thing they've been accused of doing!

Looks pretty stupid, doesn't it? Maybe you should stop.

That's not what looks stupid. Nice try pretending you didn't get the point of what was said.

[Anonymous]

I will wait and see. There were many cases where the Baldoni side was very sure in their speculation which turned out to be incorrect. Ferrer's silence along with that text message were taken as strong support for Baldoni, until she filed that motion essentially saying he was threatening and coercing her over the attorney's fee. Then the narrative shifted to Ferrer being a snake.

Baldoni fans were speculating that Taylor Swift announced her engagement on Blake's birthday as a diss or something like that, and that songs "Cancelled" and "Ruin the Friendship" were anti-Blake and that Swift has passed info to Freedman to help Baldoni. Only Swift did not agree to be deposed by Baldoni at all, and wouldn't unless forced, and most observers think "Cancelled" is pro-Blake. Which is admittedly weird, as Swift has not made any public overtures.

And I'm not even saying they ARE still friends, just that I'm open to various possibilities as we only know the tip of the iceberg in what is going on.

Just look at those depo pages that got unredacted... we only got a couple of pages of 3 depos out of dozens that have taken place, not to mention all the rest of discovery. We really know very little so far. It is not good to be making proclamations about how things are so that when it turns out it isn't that way, you have to add another person to the long list of conspirators with Blake.

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Anonymous wrote:It could also be writer/director Claire Ayoub, who made the film Empire Waist with Wayfarer as producer. The movie was actually filmed in 2021, so not in conflict with IEWU and more likely that Baldoni might have been dropping by the set. It didn't premiere in the US until September 2024 and I don't think it had an in-person premiere, just a streaming release. The movie co-stars Rainn Wilson, longtime Baldoni pal and fellow member of his church.

Or it could be Roshan Sethi, director of A Nice Indian Boy, or Zarna Gang, one of the costars who is also a well-established standup and podcasters and may have a decent amount of sway on the set. Jamey Heath and others from Wayfarer attended the premiere in March of 2024 (at SXSW) but Baldoni did not. Production on this one would have conflicted with IEWU though so less likely Baldoni could have been on set.

This is my post from weeks ago speculating the "mystery declarant" could be Claire Ayoub. I was right! I'm a little surprised because I'd been persuaded by people saying they were unlikely to be a woman since the declaration didn't emphasize that. But the timing and Ayoub's position in the production made so much more sense than anyone else people were suggesting.

I would like to give you your flowers for this, except that on this movie flowers has become something of a loaded term lol. Anyway, kudos to you on the sleuthing -- very impressive! You are like the only person that ever mentioned Ayoub's name in connection with this declaration as a guess!

Ayoub was one of a small list of people it could have been -- it was very obviously a director or person at a similar level on a relatively recent Wayfarer production. So Ayoub, Sethi, Scarlett Johansson, someone involve with Will & Harper... really only a handful of options because Wayfarer has not made that many movies. And really the timing didn't make sense for most of these because Baldoni would not have been able to be on set for most of these movies due to the nature of filming (Will & Harper was a documentary about a road trip) or the filming conflicted with IEWU.

The people speculating that it was Ari Emmanuel, Liz Plank, Ryan Reynolds, etc., were all engaged in wishful thinking and clearly not really reading the declaration. Or handwaving the ways these people didn't fit with "whatever, Blake lies."

There just seems to be an extremely loose relationship between many people watching this case and logic or reasoning.

Baldoni supporters saying it was Reynolds were the craziest, to me. No logic whatsoever. In the quote, he is referring to Lively and Reynolds. THEY were the two dead bodies. So if he was talking to Reynolds at the time, he wouldn't say, "There will be two dead bodies. ... They better not test me." [or whatever language he used -- but it was "they" not "you"]

The Baldoni supporters claim to be armchair detectives etc but some of them are very dense.

And the way they have gone after Ayoub, very fine upstanding people. So much support for other women. Bur supposedly it's all "organic". Sure! When their case goes awry they come after the "bots". So predictable.

I haven’t seen anyone on the thread come after her. It’s more just that the story seems inconsequential. Baldoni still does not have a history of sexual harassment and for us to be a year in and all we are seeing is this is not going to help Blake.

The declaration was never presented as evidence of a history of SH. It doesn't allege SH.

It was presented as evidence that Steve Sarowitz issued a violent threat towards Lively and Reynolds, which is pretty important evidence in the retaliation case. And the fact that Ayoub recorded the conversation, and that she appears to have been independently driven to do so based on previous negative experiences with Wayfarer, and that she has no connection to Reynolds or Lively, make her declaration and potential testimony more persuasive to a jury.

And yes, Ayoub could wind up testifying. If the recording is deemed admissible, something that will be determined before trial, Lively would have to call Ayoub in order to get the recording entered into evidence, so the jury could hear it. There is no one else with direct knowledge of the video's creation, so it would have to be Ayoub. It is debatable what, if anything, Ayoub would be allowed to say about he prior negative interactions with Baldoni. It would depend on how the judge ruled on the relevance versus prejudicial quality of such testimony.it would also depend on if and how Wayfarer's lawyers cross examined Ayoub.

So yes, Ayoub and her declaration are consequential. To say otherwise is to totally misunderstand the nature of this lawsuit.

She would be allowed to say zero about negative interactions with Baldoni, that’s the kind of wrong judicial decision that wpild result in a successful appeal. Not even in a gray area here.

The recording independently is likely inadmissible at trial because it was illegally recorded. Illinois. California and Connecticut are two party consent states and she did not tell him she was recording. I believe WF already has argued this.

IIRC they said Sarowitz was recorded without his consent and therefore wanted to release the full context (fair) but they did not allege it was in a state where it was illegal to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:I will wait and see. There were many cases where the Baldoni side was very sure in their speculation which turned out to be incorrect. Ferrer's silence along with that text message were taken as strong support for Baldoni, until she filed that motion essentially saying he was threatening and coercing her over the attorney's fee. Then the narrative shifted to Ferrer being a snake.

Baldoni fans were speculating that Taylor Swift announced her engagement on Blake's birthday as a diss or something like that, and that songs "Cancelled" and "Ruin the Friendship" were anti-Blake and that Swift has passed info to Freedman to help Baldoni. Only Swift did not agree to be deposed by Baldoni at all, and wouldn't unless forced, and most observers think "Cancelled" is pro-Blake. Which is admittedly weird, as Swift has not made any public overtures.

And I'm not even saying they ARE still friends, just that I'm open to various possibilities as we only know the tip of the iceberg in what is going on.

Just look at those depo pages that got unredacted... we only got a couple of pages of 3 depos out of dozens that have taken place, not to mention all the rest of discovery. We really know very little so far. It is not good to be making proclamations about how things are so that when it turns out it isn't that way, you have to add another person to the long list of conspirators with Blake.

Those aren't the examples I'd use (I don't think Ferrer or Taylor are particularly central to this case) but I agree with the idea that we don't know very much.

I think it's weird that people reject the notion anyone can be neutral on this case. I genuinely am. I found Blake's original complaint compelling, and then I found Baldoni's complaint compelling in a way that made me question Blake's allegations, and then I have found the discussion and dismissal of Baldon's complaint interesting in a way that has made me question Baldoni's defense against Blake's allegations. Thus I truly am neutral at this point and curious for more to come out and wonder if we'll ever really know what happened. I especially want to hear from other people who were present -- cast and crew members, people from Sony, etc. Would love to see more footage from the set.

I find myself very skeptical of people on either side who are 100% convinced that either Baldoni or Blake is totally in the right. I think there's no way that's the case either way -- they are probably both culpable for the conflict between them, and it's just a question of whether it's 50-50 or like 80-20, and if 80-20, which is which. And I really couldn't tell you. I wasn't there and I've seen evidence to support both sides.

Anyone who comes along and tries to tell me they know exactly what is going on in this case, I immediately distrust. Of course you don't know! You weren't there, and you don't personally know any of these people. You are just picking a team and rooting for them. That's not compelling to me.