IVF embryos are people too

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Anonymous wrote:Well, the women and potential parents in Alabama helped vote these conservatives in, so they get what they get.

The out cry is confusing. This is what Trump said he would do, he got the votes, he gets roe overturned...what is the problem? This is what Alabama wanted

That's what I don't understand either. It's almost like conservative women don't understand what they are voting on.

That's because most people are ignorant and/or vote/decide things with their "feelings" rather than logic. They're now witnessing the consequences of their decisions.

No. They know what they are voting for. They are “Good Christians” and want to save babies from sluts and whores.

And they assume their own daughters will never have a medical problem getting pregnant if she wants to. Or, won't have a fetus who might kill her and leave her other children motherless.

Nope. Firmly pro choice and firm Republican here. I will pay for my own DD’s needs whatever those may be. Athiest. There are tons of us.

How does this work if the procedure is banned? FWIW, no one here is arguing for state funding of abortions.

It is not banned in all states or all countries. You still can travel to get an abortion. Plus, six weeks is sufficient to make a decision.

In reality, it’s more like two weeks, for someone who has regular periods, and is keeping close tabs on when they expecting their next one (6 weeks is calculated from LMP).

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Anonymous wrote:Well, the women and potential parents in Alabama helped vote these conservatives in, so they get what they get.

The out cry is confusing. This is what Trump said he would do, he got the votes, he gets roe overturned...what is the problem? This is what Alabama wanted

That's what I don't understand either. It's almost like conservative women don't understand what they are voting on.

That's because most people are ignorant and/or vote/decide things with their "feelings" rather than logic. They're now witnessing the consequences of their decisions.

No. They know what they are voting for. They are “Good Christians” and want to save babies from sluts and whores.

And they assume their own daughters will never have a medical problem getting pregnant if she wants to. Or, won't have a fetus who might kill her and leave her other children motherless.

Nope. Firmly pro choice and firm Republican here. I will pay for my own DD’s needs whatever those may be. Athiest. There are tons of us.

How does this work if the procedure is banned? FWIW, no one here is arguing for state funding of abortions.

It is not banned in all states or all countries. You still can travel to get an abortion. Plus, six weeks is sufficient to make a decision.

In reality, it’s more like two weeks, for someone who has regular periods, and is keeping close tabs on when they expecting their next one (6 weeks is calculated from LMP).

Why is two weeks not sufficient? It is maximum a two hours procedure.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, the women and potential parents in Alabama helped vote these conservatives in, so they get what they get.

The out cry is confusing. This is what Trump said he would do, he got the votes, he gets roe overturned...what is the problem? This is what Alabama wanted

That's what I don't understand either. It's almost like conservative women don't understand what they are voting on.

That's because most people are ignorant and/or vote/decide things with their "feelings" rather than logic. They're now witnessing the consequences of their decisions.

No. They know what they are voting for. They are “Good Christians” and want to save babies from sluts and whores.

And they assume their own daughters will never have a medical problem getting pregnant if she wants to. Or, won't have a fetus who might kill her and leave her other children motherless.

Nope. Firmly pro choice and firm Republican here. I will pay for my own DD’s needs whatever those may be. Athiest. There are tons of us.

How does this work if the procedure is banned? FWIW, no one here is arguing for state funding of abortions.

It is not banned in all states or all countries. You still can travel to get an abortion. Plus, six weeks is sufficient to make a decision.

In reality, it’s more like two weeks, for someone who has regular periods, and is keeping close tabs on when they expecting their next one (6 weeks is calculated from LMP).

Why is two weeks not sufficient? It is maximum a two hours procedure.

See the post at 13:05. Rarely do women have 2 weeks.
Some of you REALLY need to educate yourselves in basic biology and reproduction. I guess this is what happens when schools don't fund sex ed.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, the women and potential parents in Alabama helped vote these conservatives in, so they get what they get.

The out cry is confusing. This is what Trump said he would do, he got the votes, he gets roe overturned...what is the problem? This is what Alabama wanted

That's what I don't understand either. It's almost like conservative women don't understand what they are voting on.

That's because most people are ignorant and/or vote/decide things with their "feelings" rather than logic. They're now witnessing the consequences of their decisions.

No. They know what they are voting for. They are “Good Christians” and want to save babies from sluts and whores.

And they assume their own daughters will never have a medical problem getting pregnant if she wants to. Or, won't have a fetus who might kill her and leave her other children motherless.

Nope. Firmly pro choice and firm Republican here. I will pay for my own DD’s needs whatever those may be. Athiest. There are tons of us.

How does this work if the procedure is banned? FWIW, no one here is arguing for state funding of abortions.

It is not banned in all states or all countries. You still can travel to get an abortion. Plus, six weeks is sufficient to make a decision.

In reality, it’s more like two weeks, for someone who has regular periods, and is keeping close tabs on when they expecting their next one (6 weeks is calculated from LMP).

Why is two weeks not sufficient? It is maximum a two hours procedure.

Of course you can’t think why.

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Anonymous wrote:Candidate Nicki Haley said today she agrees with the Court's decision. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nikki-haley-sides-with-alabama-supreme-court-on-ivf-ruling-embryos-to-me-are-babies/ar-BB1iFt7D

She had children via fertility treatments. “Embryos, to me, are babies,” Haley told NBC News in an interview, adding that she used artificial insemination to have her son, a different process than IVF that doesn’t present the same complexities around creating embryos in a lab. “When you talk about an embryo, you are talking about, to me, that’s a life. And so I do see where that’s coming from when they talk about that.”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/moderate-nikki-haley-agrees-with-alabama-ivf-ruling.html

Did she just out her husband as being sterile?

Why did you leap to her husband being sterile? Artificial insemination in a heterosexual couple usually involves taking sperm from the male and transferring it to the uterus of the female. It can be required if the sperm count is low or they are not motile. It is usually a precursor to IVF.
However it is disgusting though not surprising that Haley would pander.

+1

It's what she does. It's her worst trait.

Don't think supporting the end of IVF is going to get her many votes. 2 percent of births are IVF.

That is 1 in 50 people under about 40 I would guess. Try to find a person that does not know or care about some one that is here on earth because of IVF. Doubt you can do it.

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What does that prove?

The destruction of the availability of IVF treatments at fertility clinics is not a popular position to support

If the state imposes the view that embryos are people, that will ultimately be the result. Not all the embryos survive in IVF treatments so the clinics will just stop the procedure over liability issues as we have seen. Not all the embryos survive in natural fertilization and pregnancy either. And the that is also frought as the state looks for people to blame for that as well.

This doesn't seem to be something republicans understand.

Republicans seem to need some education in human reproduction. Fertility issues, fetal abnormalities, miscarriage, rape incest, conditions treated by birth control that have nothing to do with pregnancy, etc. , etc. Can some please explain to republicans where babies come from and how many things can go wrong in the process.

Statistically, Republicans have more children than Democrats. It is funny how child free people trying to explain to someone who has five kids where babies come from.

Why are you assuming the PP is child free? Many of us who have dealt with infertility and all that entails are quite well versed in the intricacies of human reproduction, and just how many things can go wrong during conception and pregnancy that result in needing abortions due to medical reasons. Or needing to utilize IVF.

Pretty sure PP is a bot programmed to push out forced birther garbage points.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, the women and potential parents in Alabama helped vote these conservatives in, so they get what they get.

The out cry is confusing. This is what Trump said he would do, he got the votes, he gets roe overturned...what is the problem? This is what Alabama wanted

That's what I don't understand either. It's almost like conservative women don't understand what they are voting on.

That's because most people are ignorant and/or vote/decide things with their "feelings" rather than logic. They're now witnessing the consequences of their decisions.

No. They know what they are voting for. They are “Good Christians” and want to save babies from sluts and whores.

And they assume their own daughters will never have a medical problem getting pregnant if she wants to. Or, won't have a fetus who might kill her and leave her other children motherless.

Nope. Firmly pro choice and firm Republican here. I will pay for my own DD’s needs whatever those may be. Athiest. There are tons of us.

How does this work if the procedure is banned? FWIW, no one here is arguing for state funding of abortions.

It is not banned in all states or all countries. You still can travel to get an abortion. Plus, six weeks is sufficient to make a decision.

In reality, it’s more like two weeks, for someone who has regular periods, and is keeping close tabs on when they expecting their next one (6 weeks is calculated from LMP).

Why is two weeks not sufficient? It is maximum a two hours procedure.

Lots of women have no idea they are pregnant at 6 weeks. And really do you even know what 6 weeks pregnancy means? It’s 6 weeks from the last menstrual cycle but that could mean anything for women and girls with irregular cycles. Some women ovulate 3 or 4 or more weeks after their last menstrual cycle.

You sound naive and probably not someone who has ever menstruated.

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Nothing to see here folks. Just the evangelicals that control Trump and the GOP voting to oppose IVF.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/12/ivf-southern-baptist-convention-evangelical-00162994

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing to see here folks. Just the evangelicals that control Trump and the GOP voting to oppose IVF.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/12/ivf-southern-baptist-convention-evangelical-00162994

Yeah. I posted this was coming up for discussion on the why are women republicans thread and no one responded.

So, I guess republicans are fine with not having IVF. God’s will?

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Anonymous wrote:Well, the women and potential parents in Alabama helped vote these conservatives in, so they get what they get.

The out cry is confusing. This is what Trump said he would do, he got the votes, he gets roe overturned...what is the problem? This is what Alabama wanted

That's what I don't understand either. It's almost like conservative women don't understand what they are voting on.

That's because most people are ignorant and/or vote/decide things with their "feelings" rather than logic. They're now witnessing the consequences of their decisions.

No. They know what they are voting for. They are “Good Christians” and want to save babies from sluts and whores.

And they assume their own daughters will never have a medical problem getting pregnant if she wants to. Or, won't have a fetus who might kill her and leave her other children motherless.

Nope. Firmly pro choice and firm Republican here. I will pay for my own DD’s needs whatever those may be. Athiest. There are tons of us.

How does this work if the procedure is banned? FWIW, no one here is arguing for state funding of abortions.

It is not banned in all states or all countries. You still can travel to get an abortion. Plus, six weeks is sufficient to make a decision.

In reality, it’s more like two weeks, for someone who has regular periods, and is keeping close tabs on when they expecting their next one (6 weeks is calculated from LMP).

Why is two weeks not sufficient? It is maximum a two hours procedure.

I didn't know I was pregnant until I was 7 weeks.

You are nuts.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing to see here folks. Just the evangelicals that control Trump and the GOP voting to oppose IVF.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/12/ivf-southern-baptist-convention-evangelical-00162994

When someone tells you who they are, believe them.

“It’s going to be a long process. It took us 50 years to take down Roe,” said Brent Leatherwood, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, the public policy arm of the SBC. “It may take us a similarly long time frame to get people to a place where they are thinking more deeply about something like this. It’s okay. It takes time. We have to be patient.”

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing to see here folks. Just the evangelicals that control Trump and the GOP voting to oppose IVF.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/12/ivf-southern-baptist-convention-evangelical-00162994

Yeah. I posted this was coming up for discussion on the why are women republicans thread and no one responded.

So, I guess republicans are fine with not having IVF. God’s will?

God gave us IVF so keep your judgy little hands off.

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There is something like 2 million IVF conceived people in the USA to date and 1 in 42 births is IVF. So while the southern baptists may have them currently outnumbered, their advantage decreases every day. With their 50 year timeline, they may well be out numbered by then.

This will be an epic battle southern baptists so get ready for war.

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Anonymous wrote:There is something like 2 million IVF conceived people in the USA to date and 1 in 42 births is IVF. So while the southern baptists may have them currently outnumbered, their advantage decreases every day. With their 50 year timeline, they may well be out numbered by then.

This will be an epic battle southern baptists so get ready for war.

When the families and friends of the IVF babies are factored in, there is no contest. The southern babtists will be mashed to a pulp.

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Anonymous wrote:There is something like 2 million IVF conceived people in the USA to date and 1 in 42 births is IVF. So while the southern baptists may have them currently outnumbered, their advantage decreases every day. With their 50 year timeline, they may well be out numbered by then.

This will be an epic battle southern baptists so get ready for war.

They are saying 50 years to stop people from freaking out. With the current makeup of the Supreme Court it’ll take them about two years if Trump is elected. It’ll be Alabama on steroids, except Congress will stand idly by and subpoena people and conduct hearings.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, the women and potential parents in Alabama helped vote these conservatives in, so they get what they get.

The out cry is confusing. This is what Trump said he would do, he got the votes, he gets roe overturned...what is the problem? This is what Alabama wanted

That's what I don't understand either. It's almost like conservative women don't understand what they are voting on.

That's because most people are ignorant and/or vote/decide things with their "feelings" rather than logic. They're now witnessing the consequences of their decisions.

No. They know what they are voting for. They are “Good Christians” and want to save babies from sluts and whores.

And they assume their own daughters will never have a medical problem getting pregnant if she wants to. Or, won't have a fetus who might kill her and leave her other children motherless.

Nope. Firmly pro choice and firm Republican here. I will pay for my own DD’s needs whatever those may be. Athiest. There are tons of us.

How does this work if the procedure is banned? FWIW, no one here is arguing for state funding of abortions.

It is not banned in all states or all countries. You still can travel to get an abortion. Plus, six weeks is sufficient to make a decision.

In reality, it’s more like two weeks, for someone who has regular periods, and is keeping close tabs on when they expecting their next one (6 weeks is calculated from LMP).

Why is two weeks not sufficient? It is maximum a two hours procedure.

And for someone with money and the kind of job that lets them take time off. But coming up with the money and time for not only the procedure but travel is not possible for a lot of women.