New college ranking

[Anonymous]

https://wallethub.com/edu/college-rankings/40750/?utm_source=&utm_medium=&utm_campaign=

" In order to determine the best higher-education institutions in the U.S., WalletHub’s analysts compared 973 colleges and universities across seven key dimensions: 1) Student Selectivity, 2) Cost & Financing, 3) Faculty Resources, 4) Campus Safety, 5) Campus Experience, 6) Educational Outcomes and 7) Career Outcomes."

Top 20

1. MIT
2.Princeton
3.Harvard
4.Stanford
5.Caltech
6.Yale
7.Duke
8.Penn
9.Columbia
10.Rice

11.UCB
12.Harvey Mudd
13.JHU
14.Brown
15.Pomona
16.ND
17.Dartmouth
18.Vandy
19.Williams
20.UChicago

[Anonymous]

Harvey Mudd? Is that an illness?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harvey Mudd? Is that an illness?

No just one of the most rigorous colleges in the country with some of the very best career/salary outcomes in the country...

[Anonymous]

“Campus experience” seems really subjective. “Campus safety” is going to ding otherwise great schools like UChicago, Penn and Columbia. Is “Career outcomes” basically how many grads are making the big bucks in investment banking?

These are not not the measures my kids looked for in a school.

Schools in plush suburban neighborhoods are going to come out much better, for reasons having little to do with, for example, whether the school is a great research institution or whether TAs teach all the intro courses or whether the school has multiple strong departments.

[Anonymous]

Interesting. Anyone know anything about WalletHub? Having read the methodology section (and having some experience with higher ed data) this appears to be a serious effort.

[Anonymous]

Campus experience = various kinds of diversity, NCAA membership and study-abroad programs.

Career outcomes reflects starting salaries, median salaries and student loan repayment statistics.

(Forgive me, I'm a bit of a college ratings geek.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Campus experience” seems really subjective. “Campus safety” is going to ding otherwise great schools like UChicago, Penn and Columbia. Is “Career outcomes” basically how many grads are making the big bucks in investment banking?

These are not not the measures my kids looked for in a school.

Schools in plush suburban neighborhoods are going to come out much better, for reasons having little to do with, for example, whether the school is a great research institution or whether TAs teach all the intro courses or whether the school has multiple strong departments.

These are measures that should be included in a college ranking. They should not be considered just by themselves but it makes sense to think of them in conjunction with other metrics that the ranking includes (teaching, research prowess are included).

Penn, Columbia, Yale and JHU got high positions so campus safety can't count for too much. Chicago probably gets hit by outcomes and campus culture. Actually if you notice no other ranking places UChicago very high anyway. (WSJ/THE, College Factual, Forbes etc). it is just USNews because UChicago has deliberately been gaming the system to perform high on the USnews metrics.

Btw kids do not just make big bucks in investment banking. Some top schools are better at preparing students for the job market.

This ranking makes way more sense than most others out there, seems they have put in the effort.

[Anonymous]

That Pomona and Claremont McKenna are in the list of the 5 most dangerous schools in the country is kind of laughable in my opinion.

Anyone who has been to that area and the town of Claremont California would know how peaceful and serene it is. Called the City of Trees and PhDs due to all the academics who live there. I think they were rated the best place to live in by Money Magazine a few years back.

Meanwhile, Columbia and Johns Hopkins are considerably safer- in the top 100? MIT and Harvard, which are literally a mile from each other, are 604th vs 77th in campus safety? It doesn't make any sense.

Get rid of that suspect component (which is worth 5 points) and it'd be a fairly decent ranking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That Pomona and Claremont McKenna are in the list of the 5 most dangerous schools in the country is kind of laughable in my opinion.

Anyone who has been to that area and the town of Claremont California would know how peaceful and serene it is. Called the City of Trees and PhDs due to all the academics who live there. I think they were rated the best place to live in by Money Magazine a few years back.

Meanwhile, Columbia and Johns Hopkins are considerably safer- in the top 100? MIT and Harvard, which are literally a mile from each other, are 604th vs 77th in campus safety? It doesn't make any sense.

Get rid of that suspect component (which is worth 5 points) and it'd be a fairly decent ranking.

Peaceful? Serene? Blazing hot desert.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvey Mudd? Is that an illness?

No just one of the most rigorous colleges in the country with some of the very best career/salary outcomes in the country...

I had tons of coworkers from it, in a place where people come to coast and die, not to have a real career. Pays okay but that's it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That Pomona and Claremont McKenna are in the list of the 5 most dangerous schools in the country is kind of laughable in my opinion.

Anyone who has been to that area and the town of Claremont California would know how peaceful and serene it is. Called the City of Trees and PhDs due to all the academics who live there. I think they were rated the best place to live in by Money Magazine a few years back.

Meanwhile, Columbia and Johns Hopkins are considerably safer- in the top 100? MIT and Harvard, which are literally a mile from each other, are 604th vs 77th in campus safety? It doesn't make any sense.

Get rid of that suspect component (which is worth 5 points) and it'd be a fairly decent ranking.

Peaceful? Serene? Blazing hot desert.

This is a desert? Average highs of 68-92 year round is "blazing hot"? And what does that have to do with campus safety? Why do posters here feel the need to talk about things they clearly know nothing about?

[Anonymous]

Are some schools missing? I can't find Bowdoin, Wesleyan U (CT), Wake Forest, and Penn State.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://wallethub.com/edu/college-rankings/40750/?utm_source=&utm_medium=&utm_campaign=

" In order to determine the best higher-education institutions in the U.S., WalletHub’s analysts compared 973 colleges and universities across seven key dimensions: 1) Student Selectivity, 2) Cost & Financing, 3) Faculty Resources, 4) Campus Safety, 5) Campus Experience, 6) Educational Outcomes and 7) Career Outcomes."

Top 20

1. MIT
2.Princeton
3.Harvard
4.Stanford
5.Caltech
6.Yale
7.Duke
8.Penn
9.Columbia
10.Rice

11.UCB
12.Harvey Mudd
13.JHU
14.Brown
15.Pomona
16.ND
17.Dartmouth
18.Vandy
19.Williams
20.UChicago

Rice cannot rank higher than UCB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://wallethub.com/edu/college-rankings/40750/?utm_source=&utm_medium=&utm_campaign=

" In order to determine the best higher-education institutions in the U.S., WalletHub’s analysts compared 973 colleges and universities across seven key dimensions: 1) Student Selectivity, 2) Cost & Financing, 3) Faculty Resources, 4) Campus Safety, 5) Campus Experience, 6) Educational Outcomes and 7) Career Outcomes."

Top 20

1. MIT
2.Princeton
3.Harvard
4.Stanford
5.Caltech
6.Yale
7.Duke
8.Penn
9.Columbia
10.Rice

11.UCB
12.Harvey Mudd
13.JHU
14.Brown
15.Pomona
16.ND
17.Dartmouth
18.Vandy
19.Williams
20.UChicago

Rice cannot rank higher than UCB.

Berkeley undergrad aint all that. Most college rankings place it outside the top 10/15. USNews also puts Rice higher than UCB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://wallethub.com/edu/college-rankings/40750/?utm_source=&utm_medium=&utm_campaign=

" In order to determine the best higher-education institutions in the U.S., WalletHub’s analysts compared 973 colleges and universities across seven key dimensions: 1) Student Selectivity, 2) Cost & Financing, 3) Faculty Resources, 4) Campus Safety, 5) Campus Experience, 6) Educational Outcomes and 7) Career Outcomes."

Top 20

1. MIT
2.Princeton
3.Harvard
4.Stanford
5.Caltech
6.Yale
7.Duke
8.Penn
9.Columbia
10.Rice

11.UCB
12.Harvey Mudd
13.JHU
14.Brown
15.Pomona
16.ND
17.Dartmouth
18.Vandy
19.Williams
20.UChicago

Another useless ranking based on stupid premises ...just a marketing tool