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Anonymous wrote:VHSL doesn’t determine eligibility for players - that is the school’s responsibility. But what VHSL does do is impose consequences for playing ineligible athletes, which can include forfeiture of games. So VHSL did what FCPS failed to do in their internal investigation by dint of their enforcement powers. Not a good look.

I do think some of the racial comments here are wrong. These are kids who want to play the game and are being used by adults in a way not to their long term benefit. I feel for them. On the other hand, the schools have succumbed to racial identity politics in not scrutinizing all of the actions correctly.

The only person trying to play the race card is the Coach and his defenders, who keep screeching about RACISM to try to keep people quiet.

It’s not racist to expect people to follow the rules.

Well there is a lot of racism in football and it’s likely a lot of the racists are against this coach. I have no dog in the fight and while it looks like someone or some people affiliated with the Hayfield football program may not have been following the rules, that doesn’t mean the coach is at fault.

This is not Remember the Titans era. Teams and coaches throughout the area are overwhelmingly African American. The angriest parents are the AA parents at other schools who see what Hayfield is doing.

If you want to make a racism claim you need a team with 15 transfers and 9 ineligible players that is being treated differently. You don’t have one of those.

Nah Overton was getting the hate while before he even came to Hayfield. They were investigating him at his last school. Last year, his team was undefeated and the school wouldn’t even provide the team with transportation to the championship. They had to find their own way to Richmond just to win the championship. That’s ridiculous!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VHSL doesn’t determine eligibility for players - that is the school’s responsibility. But what VHSL does do is impose consequences for playing ineligible athletes, which can include forfeiture of games. So VHSL did what FCPS failed to do in their internal investigation by dint of their enforcement powers. Not a good look.

I do think some of the racial comments here are wrong. These are kids who want to play the game and are being used by adults in a way not to their long term benefit. I feel for them. On the other hand, the schools have succumbed to racial identity politics in not scrutinizing all of the actions correctly.

The only person trying to play the race card is the Coach and his defenders, who keep screeching about RACISM to try to keep people quiet.

It’s not racist to expect people to follow the rules.

Well there is a lot of racism in football and it’s likely a lot of the racists are against this coach. I have no dog in the fight and while it looks like someone or some people affiliated with the Hayfield football program may not have been following the rules, that doesn’t mean the coach is at fault.

This is not Remember the Titans era. Teams and coaches throughout the area are overwhelmingly African American. The angriest parents are the AA parents at other schools who see what Hayfield is doing.

If you want to make a racism claim you need a team with 15 transfers and 9 ineligible players that is being treated differently. You don’t have one of those.

They like a certain type of black coach. The Buckdancing kind. If you not a good Sam Bo and your Black, they don’t want you coaching.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VHSL doesn’t determine eligibility for players - that is the school’s responsibility. But what VHSL does do is impose consequences for playing ineligible athletes, which can include forfeiture of games. So VHSL did what FCPS failed to do in their internal investigation by dint of their enforcement powers. Not a good look.

I do think some of the racial comments here are wrong. These are kids who want to play the game and are being used by adults in a way not to their long term benefit. I feel for them. On the other hand, the schools have succumbed to racial identity politics in not scrutinizing all of the actions correctly.

The only person trying to play the race card is the Coach and his defenders, who keep screeching about RACISM to try to keep people quiet.

It’s not racist to expect people to follow the rules.

Well there is a lot of racism in football and it’s likely a lot of the racists are against this coach. I have no dog in the fight and while it looks like someone or some people affiliated with the Hayfield football program may not have been following the rules, that doesn’t mean the coach is at fault.

This is not Remember the Titans era. Teams and coaches throughout the area are overwhelmingly African American. The angriest parents are the AA parents at other schools who see what Hayfield is doing.

If you want to make a racism claim you need a team with 15 transfers and 9 ineligible players that is being treated differently. You don’t have one of those.

The racism, as it were, exists with the kids. With few exceptions, they are being exploited, being used for community entertainment and the promise of a D1 or DII scholarship. Forget the coach here and the school administration - they are no victims of racial discrimination rather they are engaged in exploiting King Football to their own ends. And they are using the cover of racial identify politics to create a fraud.

I wish FCPS had someone investigate this thing with an athletic background. For most of these kids, the promise of an athletic scholarship is illusory. And even if they get one, they enroll in an incredibly difficult environment, with 40 plus hours of practice a week, college level classes which are difficult, and the always looming spectre of injury or failure to physically develop. Except for a handful of 5 stars and some 4 stars. success in college is hard to predict. The dream isn't what guys like Overton think it is. Who in the heck knows how that 205 lb senior linebacker will play once he hits D1? You can bet they will put thirty pounds on him. Will he lose speed (many do)? Lose flexibility (many do - and deadly for a position like cornerback where you have to be twisty). Can a kid recover from injury (invariably will happen)? This is a high stakes crap shoot. So it is a good idea to compromise the rules to support an endeavor with low odds? Really not the message any school should be sending.

For what its worth my brother and I went to excellent colleges on athletic scholarship. We were Phi Beta Kappa students in serious majors, and we had about 40 percent of the time commitment football players had, with far less injury and fatigue. And we didn't have to change our bodies to compete. We know - we both tutored football players. I want to emphasize that even though culturally different most were good kids and far more interesting that the average grinds at our schools. But most of them were chasing a lousy dream. One guy I tutored was a NFL prospect - got hurt so bad he really couldn't walk. He had a fantastic girlfriend who pushed him to tutor with me. But he had none of the typical pressures. His father was a NBA Hall of Famer and general manager of a top NBA club. He had options. When he was hurt, he saw it all from a different perspective, and certainly felt for many of his black teammates. So did I. (By the way he married the girlfriend who became a physician and they have three girls - all college hockey players - and a great marriage). But he like me cringed at the way some black players were treated.

My friend is a NFL linesman (the yard marker guy). He is black and contrary to first impressions his first love is baseball. He has a difficult time recruiting black kids to baseball - which makes no sense from an economic or injury perspective. King football is just that popular in the community, and he is disappointed so many chase the dream given the risks. I told him this perplexes me - when I was young guys like Curt Flood were not just stellar players but changed the nature of baseball and he certainly created the strongest sports union in existence. Why the commujnity doesn't flock to replicating Curt Flood - a true hero and civil rights figure - is a mystery

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VHSL doesn’t determine eligibility for players - that is the school’s responsibility. But what VHSL does do is impose consequences for playing ineligible athletes, which can include forfeiture of games. So VHSL did what FCPS failed to do in their internal investigation by dint of their enforcement powers. Not a good look.

I do think some of the racial comments here are wrong. These are kids who want to play the game and are being used by adults in a way not to their long term benefit. I feel for them. On the other hand, the schools have succumbed to racial identity politics in not scrutinizing all of the actions correctly.

The only person trying to play the race card is the Coach and his defenders, who keep screeching about RACISM to try to keep people quiet.

It’s not racist to expect people to follow the rules.

Well there is a lot of racism in football and it’s likely a lot of the racists are against this coach. I have no dog in the fight and while it looks like someone or some people affiliated with the Hayfield football program may not have been following the rules, that doesn’t mean the coach is at fault.

He's the head coach. Its his show and absolutely his fault. He talked all these kids into transferring knowing the rules and that they were breaking the rules.

Who are "the racists against this coach" that you are referring to? Did someone burn a cross in his yard?

You have no proof that he did any such thing you allege. You're assuming. Hmmmm wonder why that could be? Can't put my finger on it.

Thinking racism only happens when the N word is used and a cross is burned is a true sign of a racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VHSL doesn’t determine eligibility for players - that is the school’s responsibility. But what VHSL does do is impose consequences for playing ineligible athletes, which can include forfeiture of games. So VHSL did what FCPS failed to do in their internal investigation by dint of their enforcement powers. Not a good look.

I do think some of the racial comments here are wrong. These are kids who want to play the game and are being used by adults in a way not to their long term benefit. I feel for them. On the other hand, the schools have succumbed to racial identity politics in not scrutinizing all of the actions correctly.

The only person trying to play the race card is the Coach and his defenders, who keep screeching about RACISM to try to keep people quiet.

It’s not racist to expect people to follow the rules.

Well there is a lot of racism in football and it’s likely a lot of the racists are against this coach. I have no dog in the fight and while it looks like someone or some people affiliated with the Hayfield football program may not have been following the rules, that doesn’t mean the coach is at fault.

This is not Remember the Titans era. Teams and coaches throughout the area are overwhelmingly African American. The angriest parents are the AA parents at other schools who see what Hayfield is doing.

If you want to make a racism claim you need a team with 15 transfers and 9 ineligible players that is being treated differently. You don’t have one of those.

DP. That’s not exactly true, except in Prince George’s County, parts of Montgomery County, and the southern portion of Fairfax and in eastern Prince William Counties. I do agree that racism in football is not the issue today, at least in this area.

[Anonymous]

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Correcting typo

That's quite a typo.

Look at your cell phone keyboard...

G and H are right next to each other. It was a typo. Nothing more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VHSL doesn’t determine eligibility for players - that is the school’s responsibility. But what VHSL does do is impose consequences for playing ineligible athletes, which can include forfeiture of games. So VHSL did what FCPS failed to do in their internal investigation by dint of their enforcement powers. Not a good look.

I do think some of the racial comments here are wrong. These are kids who want to play the game and are being used by adults in a way not to their long term benefit. I feel for them. On the other hand, the schools have succumbed to racial identity politics in not scrutinizing all of the actions correctly.

The only person trying to play the race card is the Coach and his defenders, who keep screeching about RACISM to try to keep people quiet.

It’s not racist to expect people to follow the rules.

Well there is a lot of racism in football and it’s likely a lot of the racists are against this coach. I have no dog in the fight and while it looks like someone or some people affiliated with the Hayfield football program may not have been following the rules, that doesn’t mean the coach is at fault.

This is not Remember the Titans era. Teams and coaches throughout the area are overwhelmingly African American. The angriest parents are the AA parents at other schools who see what Hayfield is doing.

If you want to make a racism claim you need a team with 15 transfers and 9 ineligible players that is being treated differently. You don’t have one of those.

Nah Overton was getting the hate while before he even came to Hayfield. They were investigating him at his last school. Last year, his team was undefeated and the school wouldn’t even provide the team with transportation to the championship. They had to find their own way to Richmond just to win the championship. That’s ridiculous!

This is part of Overton’s and the transferring parents’ narrative but I’ve never heard any details. What does this mean? Freedom wouldn’t pay for charter busses? Freedom wouldn’t let team use school busses (seems unlikely). Freedom asked team to use money from the parent slush fund to cover charter bus?

The way it’s stated is always so vague on purpose. If you mean “each parent put 6 players in a Honda Odyssey and drove down I-95” then say that. But I suspect not.

[Anonymous]

PWC of course was willing to put the kids on school buses to go to Richmond.

Overton wanted free charter buses.

[Anonymous]

The story is that he was fired from Freedom because he was using Freedom assets (field space when he is supposed to pay for permits, equipment) for his private AAU football business.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VHSL doesn’t determine eligibility for players - that is the school’s responsibility. But what VHSL does do is impose consequences for playing ineligible athletes, which can include forfeiture of games. So VHSL did what FCPS failed to do in their internal investigation by dint of their enforcement powers. Not a good look.

I do think some of the racial comments here are wrong. These are kids who want to play the game and are being used by adults in a way not to their long term benefit. I feel for them. On the other hand, the schools have succumbed to racial identity politics in not scrutinizing all of the actions correctly.

The only person trying to play the race card is the Coach and his defenders, who keep screeching about RACISM to try to keep people quiet.

It’s not racist to expect people to follow the rules.

Well there is a lot of racism in football and it’s likely a lot of the racists are against this coach. I have no dog in the fight and while it looks like someone or some people affiliated with the Hayfield football program may not have been following the rules, that doesn’t mean the coach is at fault.

He's the head coach. Its his show and absolutely his fault. He talked all these kids into transferring knowing the rules and that they were breaking the rules.

Who are "the racists against this coach" that you are referring to? Did someone burn a cross in his yard?

You have no proof that he did any such thing you allege. You're assuming. Hmmmm wonder why that could be? Can't put my finger on it.

Thinking racism only happens when the N word is used and a cross is burned is a true sign of a racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VHSL doesn’t determine eligibility for players - that is the school’s responsibility. But what VHSL does do is impose consequences for playing ineligible athletes, which can include forfeiture of games. So VHSL did what FCPS failed to do in their internal investigation by dint of their enforcement powers. Not a good look.

I do think some of the racial comments here are wrong. These are kids who want to play the game and are being used by adults in a way not to their long term benefit. I feel for them. On the other hand, the schools have succumbed to racial identity politics in not scrutinizing all of the actions correctly.

The only person trying to play the race card is the Coach and his defenders, who keep screeching about RACISM to try to keep people quiet.

It’s not racist to expect people to follow the rules.

Well there is a lot of racism in football and it’s likely a lot of the racists are against this coach. I have no dog in the fight and while it looks like someone or some people affiliated with the Hayfield football program may not have been following the rules, that doesn’t mean the coach is at fault.

He's the head coach. Its his show and absolutely his fault. He talked all these kids into transferring knowing the rules and that they were breaking the rules.

Who are "the racists against this coach" that you are referring to? Did someone burn a cross in his yard?

You have no proof that he did any such thing you allege. You're assuming. Hmmmm wonder why that could be? Can't put my finger on it.

Thinking racism only happens when the N word is used and a cross is burned is a true sign of a racist.

Trying to silence people who expect you to follow the rules by crying about racism is so so so cliche. I guess there is no actual defense to his behavior so you are left with hysterics and attempts at distraction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VHSL doesn’t determine eligibility for players - that is the school’s responsibility. But what VHSL does do is impose consequences for playing ineligible athletes, which can include forfeiture of games. So VHSL did what FCPS failed to do in their internal investigation by dint of their enforcement powers. Not a good look.

I do think some of the racial comments here are wrong. These are kids who want to play the game and are being used by adults in a way not to their long term benefit. I feel for them. On the other hand, the schools have succumbed to racial identity politics in not scrutinizing all of the actions correctly.

The only person trying to play the race card is the Coach and his defenders, who keep screeching about RACISM to try to keep people quiet.

It’s not racist to expect people to follow the rules.

Well there is a lot of racism in football and it’s likely a lot of the racists are against this coach. I have no dog in the fight and while it looks like someone or some people affiliated with the Hayfield football program may not have been following the rules, that doesn’t mean the coach is at fault.

He's the head coach. Its his show and absolutely his fault. He talked all these kids into transferring knowing the rules and that they were breaking the rules.

Who are "the racists against this coach" that you are referring to? Did someone burn a cross in his yard?

You have no proof that he did any such thing you allege. You're assuming. Hmmmm wonder why that could be? Can't put my finger on it.

Thinking racism only happens when the N word is used and a cross is burned is a true sign of a racist.

It's called logic. Try it sometime.

Is it your assertion that all these players showed up at Hayfield on the first day of school and Overton was surprised to see them there, having absolutely no knowledge that 13 kids were transferring from the school he worked at last year, as well as two superstars from two other private schools? It was all just a complete surprise to him? GMAFB.

I think some might consider it a bit racist to suggest that he was too dumb to read the VHSL rules, which seems to be what you are implying.

Expecting all coaches and players to follow the rules is not racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VHSL doesn’t determine eligibility for players - that is the school’s responsibility. But what VHSL does do is impose consequences for playing ineligible athletes, which can include forfeiture of games. So VHSL did what FCPS failed to do in their internal investigation by dint of their enforcement powers. Not a good look.

I do think some of the racial comments here are wrong. These are kids who want to play the game and are being used by adults in a way not to their long term benefit. I feel for them. On the other hand, the schools have succumbed to racial identity politics in not scrutinizing all of the actions correctly.

The only person trying to play the race card is the Coach and his defenders, who keep screeching about RACISM to try to keep people quiet.

It’s not racist to expect people to follow the rules.

Well there is a lot of racism in football and it’s likely a lot of the racists are against this coach. I have no dog in the fight and while it looks like someone or some people affiliated with the Hayfield football program may not have been following the rules, that doesn’t mean the coach is at fault.

He's the head coach. Its his show and absolutely his fault. He talked all these kids into transferring knowing the rules and that they were breaking the rules.

Who are "the racists against this coach" that you are referring to? Did someone burn a cross in his yard?

You have no proof that he did any such thing you allege. You're assuming. Hmmmm wonder why that could be? Can't put my finger on it.

Thinking racism only happens when the N word is used and a cross is burned is a true sign of a racist.

It's called logic. Try it sometime.

Is it your assertion that all these players showed up at Hayfield on the first day of school and Overton was surprised to see them there, having absolutely no knowledge that 13 kids were transferring from the school he worked at last year, as well as two superstars from two other private schools? It was all just a complete surprise to him? GMAFB.

I think some might consider it a bit racist to suggest that he was too dumb to read the VHSL rules, which seems to be what you are implying.

Expecting all coaches and players to follow the rules is not racist.

Idk about any of that, but some may think it’s racist to drag this man’s name through the mud because the athletic director may not have verified these kids earlier. The superintendent has said the coach did nothing wrong after an intense investigation and yet we are still seeing all these allegations against the man, but nothing about the athletic director who’s job it is to clear the athletes and happens to have the privilege of being white.

[Anonymous]

When did the superintendent say "the coach did nothing wrong"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When did the superintendent say "the coach did nothing wrong"?

+1. That was never said.