IVF embryos are people too

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Anonymous wrote:Silly libs, Republican women don't need IVF. They don't have fertility problems, ectopic pregnancies, or miscarriages and they don't raped.

They are really good Christian’s but if they happen to be raped and get pregnant, it’s Gods will and they will suffer and carry that Fetus for 9 months and relive the rape over and over again but they find that child a good home. Oh please!

But the people with money and resources will go out of state and take care of it. Only the poor will suffer the consequences.

This is just show how narrowminded liberals are. You are assuming all Republicans are christian. We are not. There are many other religions. We are muslims for example, and we do get raped and get pregnant.

Why would you remain a Republican when they hate and oppose most of what you believe and stand for?

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Anonymous wrote:Well, the women and potential parents in Alabama helped vote these conservatives in, so they get what they get.

The out cry is confusing. This is what Trump said he would do, he got the votes, he gets roe overturned...what is the problem? This is what Alabama wanted

That's what I don't understand either. It's almost like conservative women don't understand what they are voting on.

That's because most people are ignorant and/or vote/decide things with their "feelings" rather than logic. They're now witnessing the consequences of their decisions.

No. They know what they are voting for. They are “Good Christians” and want to save babies from sluts and whores.

And they assume their own daughters will never have a medical problem getting pregnant if she wants to. Or, won't have a fetus who might kill her and leave her other children motherless.

Nope. Firmly pro choice and firm Republican here. I will pay for my own DD’s needs whatever those may be. Athiest. There are tons of us.

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Anonymous wrote:Candidate Nicki Haley said today she agrees with the Court's decision. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nikki-haley-sides-with-alabama-supreme-court-on-ivf-ruling-embryos-to-me-are-babies/ar-BB1iFt7D

She had children via fertility treatments. “Embryos, to me, are babies,” Haley told NBC News in an interview, adding that she used artificial insemination to have her son, a different process than IVF that doesn’t present the same complexities around creating embryos in a lab. “When you talk about an embryo, you are talking about, to me, that’s a life. And so I do see where that’s coming from when they talk about that.”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/moderate-nikki-haley-agrees-with-alabama-ivf-ruling.html

Did she just out her husband as being sterile?

Why did you leap to her husband being sterile? Artificial insemination in a heterosexual couple usually involves taking sperm from the male and transferring it to the uterus of the female. It can be required if the sperm count is low or they are not motile. It is usually a precursor to IVF.
However it is disgusting though not surprising that Haley would pander.

+1

It's what she does. It's her worst trait.

Don't think supporting the end of IVF is going to get her many votes. 2 percent of births are IVF.

That is 1 in 50 people under about 40 I would guess. Try to find a person that does not know or care about some one that is here on earth because of IVF. Doubt you can do it.

And?
What does that prove?

The destruction of the availability of IVF treatments at fertility clinics is not a popular position to support

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Candidate Nicki Haley said today she agrees with the Court's decision. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nikki-haley-sides-with-alabama-supreme-court-on-ivf-ruling-embryos-to-me-are-babies/ar-BB1iFt7D

She had children via fertility treatments. “Embryos, to me, are babies,” Haley told NBC News in an interview, adding that she used artificial insemination to have her son, a different process than IVF that doesn’t present the same complexities around creating embryos in a lab. “When you talk about an embryo, you are talking about, to me, that’s a life. And so I do see where that’s coming from when they talk about that.”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/moderate-nikki-haley-agrees-with-alabama-ivf-ruling.html

Did she just out her husband as being sterile?

Why did you leap to her husband being sterile? Artificial insemination in a heterosexual couple usually involves taking sperm from the male and transferring it to the uterus of the female. It can be required if the sperm count is low or they are not motile. It is usually a precursor to IVF.
However it is disgusting though not surprising that Haley would pander.

+1

It's what she does. It's her worst trait.

Don't think supporting the end of IVF is going to get her many votes. 2 percent of births are IVF.

That is 1 in 50 people under about 40 I would guess. Try to find a person that does not know or care about some one that is here on earth because of IVF. Doubt you can do it.

And?
What does that prove?

The destruction of the availability of IVF treatments at fertility clinics is not a popular position to support

If the state imposes the view that embryos are people, that will ultimately be the result. Not all the embryos survive in IVF treatments so the clinics will just stop the procedure over liability issues as we have seen. Not all the embryos survive in natural fertilization and pregnancy either. And the that is also frought as the state looks for people to blame for that as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Candidate Nicki Haley said today she agrees with the Court's decision. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nikki-haley-sides-with-alabama-supreme-court-on-ivf-ruling-embryos-to-me-are-babies/ar-BB1iFt7D

She had children via fertility treatments. “Embryos, to me, are babies,” Haley told NBC News in an interview, adding that she used artificial insemination to have her son, a different process than IVF that doesn’t present the same complexities around creating embryos in a lab. “When you talk about an embryo, you are talking about, to me, that’s a life. And so I do see where that’s coming from when they talk about that.”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/moderate-nikki-haley-agrees-with-alabama-ivf-ruling.html

Did she just out her husband as being sterile?

Why did you leap to her husband being sterile? Artificial insemination in a heterosexual couple usually involves taking sperm from the male and transferring it to the uterus of the female. It can be required if the sperm count is low or they are not motile. It is usually a precursor to IVF.
However it is disgusting though not surprising that Haley would pander.

+1

It's what she does. It's her worst trait.

Don't think supporting the end of IVF is going to get her many votes. 2 percent of births are IVF.

That is 1 in 50 people under about 40 I would guess. Try to find a person that does not know or care about some one that is here on earth because of IVF. Doubt you can do it.

And?
What does that prove?

The destruction of the availability of IVF treatments at fertility clinics is not a popular position to support

If the state imposes the view that embryos are people, that will ultimately be the result. Not all the embryos survive in IVF treatments so the clinics will just stop the procedure over liability issues as we have seen. Not all the embryos survive in natural fertilization and pregnancy either. And the that is also frought as the state looks for people to blame for that as well.

+1 And this is exactly where Florida is going if the constitutional amendment on the ballot in November doesn’t pass. Their Supreme Court indicated that fetal personhood is coming next.

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Anonymous wrote:Candidate Nicki Haley said today she agrees with the Court's decision. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nikki-haley-sides-with-alabama-supreme-court-on-ivf-ruling-embryos-to-me-are-babies/ar-BB1iFt7D

She had children via fertility treatments. “Embryos, to me, are babies,” Haley told NBC News in an interview, adding that she used artificial insemination to have her son, a different process than IVF that doesn’t present the same complexities around creating embryos in a lab. “When you talk about an embryo, you are talking about, to me, that’s a life. And so I do see where that’s coming from when they talk about that.”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/moderate-nikki-haley-agrees-with-alabama-ivf-ruling.html

Did she just out her husband as being sterile?

Why did you leap to her husband being sterile? Artificial insemination in a heterosexual couple usually involves taking sperm from the male and transferring it to the uterus of the female. It can be required if the sperm count is low or they are not motile. It is usually a precursor to IVF.
However it is disgusting though not surprising that Haley would pander.

+1

It's what she does. It's her worst trait.

Don't think supporting the end of IVF is going to get her many votes. 2 percent of births are IVF.

That is 1 in 50 people under about 40 I would guess. Try to find a person that does not know or care about some one that is here on earth because of IVF. Doubt you can do it.

And?
What does that prove?

The destruction of the availability of IVF treatments at fertility clinics is not a popular position to support

If the state imposes the view that embryos are people, that will ultimately be the result. Not all the embryos survive in IVF treatments so the clinics will just stop the procedure over liability issues as we have seen. Not all the embryos survive in natural fertilization and pregnancy either. And the that is also frought as the state looks for people to blame for that as well.

This doesn't seem to be something republicans understand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Candidate Nicki Haley said today she agrees with the Court's decision. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nikki-haley-sides-with-alabama-supreme-court-on-ivf-ruling-embryos-to-me-are-babies/ar-BB1iFt7D

She had children via fertility treatments. “Embryos, to me, are babies,” Haley told NBC News in an interview, adding that she used artificial insemination to have her son, a different process than IVF that doesn’t present the same complexities around creating embryos in a lab. “When you talk about an embryo, you are talking about, to me, that’s a life. And so I do see where that’s coming from when they talk about that.”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/moderate-nikki-haley-agrees-with-alabama-ivf-ruling.html

Did she just out her husband as being sterile?

Why did you leap to her husband being sterile? Artificial insemination in a heterosexual couple usually involves taking sperm from the male and transferring it to the uterus of the female. It can be required if the sperm count is low or they are not motile. It is usually a precursor to IVF.
However it is disgusting though not surprising that Haley would pander.

+1

It's what she does. It's her worst trait.

Don't think supporting the end of IVF is going to get her many votes. 2 percent of births are IVF.

That is 1 in 50 people under about 40 I would guess. Try to find a person that does not know or care about some one that is here on earth because of IVF. Doubt you can do it.

And?
What does that prove?

The destruction of the availability of IVF treatments at fertility clinics is not a popular position to support

If the state imposes the view that embryos are people, that will ultimately be the result. Not all the embryos survive in IVF treatments so the clinics will just stop the procedure over liability issues as we have seen. Not all the embryos survive in natural fertilization and pregnancy either. And the that is also frought as the state looks for people to blame for that as well.

This doesn't seem to be something republicans understand.

Republicans seem to need some education in human reproduction. Fertility issues, fetal abnormalities, miscarriage, rape incest, conditions treated by birth control that have nothing to do with pregnancy, etc. , etc. Can some please explain to republicans where babies come from and how many things can go wrong in the process.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Candidate Nicki Haley said today she agrees with the Court's decision. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nikki-haley-sides-with-alabama-supreme-court-on-ivf-ruling-embryos-to-me-are-babies/ar-BB1iFt7D

She had children via fertility treatments. “Embryos, to me, are babies,” Haley told NBC News in an interview, adding that she used artificial insemination to have her son, a different process than IVF that doesn’t present the same complexities around creating embryos in a lab. “When you talk about an embryo, you are talking about, to me, that’s a life. And so I do see where that’s coming from when they talk about that.”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/moderate-nikki-haley-agrees-with-alabama-ivf-ruling.html

Did she just out her husband as being sterile?

Why did you leap to her husband being sterile? Artificial insemination in a heterosexual couple usually involves taking sperm from the male and transferring it to the uterus of the female. It can be required if the sperm count is low or they are not motile. It is usually a precursor to IVF.
However it is disgusting though not surprising that Haley would pander.

+1

It's what she does. It's her worst trait.

Don't think supporting the end of IVF is going to get her many votes. 2 percent of births are IVF.

That is 1 in 50 people under about 40 I would guess. Try to find a person that does not know or care about some one that is here on earth because of IVF. Doubt you can do it.

And?
What does that prove?

The destruction of the availability of IVF treatments at fertility clinics is not a popular position to support

If the state imposes the view that embryos are people, that will ultimately be the result. Not all the embryos survive in IVF treatments so the clinics will just stop the procedure over liability issues as we have seen. Not all the embryos survive in natural fertilization and pregnancy either. And the that is also frought as the state looks for people to blame for that as well.

This doesn't seem to be something republicans understand.

Yup. “Nearly two dozen states – all with GOP legislatures – have considered fetal personhood bills, with a few even passing them into law.

These measures restrict access to IVF, threaten access to birth control, and double down on criminalizing abortion care.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/03/29/fetal-personhood-laws-states-abortion/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well, the women and potential parents in Alabama helped vote these conservatives in, so they get what they get.

The out cry is confusing. This is what Trump said he would do, he got the votes, he gets roe overturned...what is the problem? This is what Alabama wanted

That's what I don't understand either. It's almost like conservative women don't understand what they are voting on.

That's because most people are ignorant and/or vote/decide things with their "feelings" rather than logic. They're now witnessing the consequences of their decisions.

No. They know what they are voting for. They are “Good Christians” and want to save babies from sluts and whores.

And they assume their own daughters will never have a medical problem getting pregnant if she wants to. Or, won't have a fetus who might kill her and leave her other children motherless.

Nope. Firmly pro choice and firm Republican here. I will pay for my own DD’s needs whatever those may be. Athiest. There are tons of us.

How does this work if the procedure is banned? FWIW, no one here is arguing for state funding of abortions.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Silly libs, Republican women don't need IVF. They don't have fertility problems, ectopic pregnancies, or miscarriages and they don't raped.

They are really good Christian’s but if they happen to be raped and get pregnant, it’s Gods will and they will suffer and carry that Fetus for 9 months and relive the rape over and over again but they find that child a good home. Oh please!

But the people with money and resources will go out of state and take care of it. Only the poor will suffer the consequences.

This is just show how narrowminded liberals are. You are assuming all Republicans are christian. We are not. There are many other religions. We are muslims for example, and we do get raped and get pregnant.

Why would you remain a Republican when they hate and oppose most of what you believe and stand for?

I am republican and I don't hate anyone and I don't oppose what I believe and stand for. Stop implying or imposing your own values to other people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Candidate Nicki Haley said today she agrees with the Court's decision. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nikki-haley-sides-with-alabama-supreme-court-on-ivf-ruling-embryos-to-me-are-babies/ar-BB1iFt7D

She had children via fertility treatments. “Embryos, to me, are babies,” Haley told NBC News in an interview, adding that she used artificial insemination to have her son, a different process than IVF that doesn’t present the same complexities around creating embryos in a lab. “When you talk about an embryo, you are talking about, to me, that’s a life. And so I do see where that’s coming from when they talk about that.”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/moderate-nikki-haley-agrees-with-alabama-ivf-ruling.html

Did she just out her husband as being sterile?

Why did you leap to her husband being sterile? Artificial insemination in a heterosexual couple usually involves taking sperm from the male and transferring it to the uterus of the female. It can be required if the sperm count is low or they are not motile. It is usually a precursor to IVF.
However it is disgusting though not surprising that Haley would pander.

+1

It's what she does. It's her worst trait.

Don't think supporting the end of IVF is going to get her many votes. 2 percent of births are IVF.

That is 1 in 50 people under about 40 I would guess. Try to find a person that does not know or care about some one that is here on earth because of IVF. Doubt you can do it.

And?
What does that prove?

The destruction of the availability of IVF treatments at fertility clinics is not a popular position to support

If the state imposes the view that embryos are people, that will ultimately be the result. Not all the embryos survive in IVF treatments so the clinics will just stop the procedure over liability issues as we have seen. Not all the embryos survive in natural fertilization and pregnancy either. And the that is also frought as the state looks for people to blame for that as well.

This doesn't seem to be something republicans understand.

Republicans seem to need some education in human reproduction. Fertility issues, fetal abnormalities, miscarriage, rape incest, conditions treated by birth control that have nothing to do with pregnancy, etc. , etc. Can some please explain to republicans where babies come from and how many things can go wrong in the process.

Statistically, Republicans have more children than Democrats. It is funny how child free people trying to explain to someone who has five kids where babies come from.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, the women and potential parents in Alabama helped vote these conservatives in, so they get what they get.

The out cry is confusing. This is what Trump said he would do, he got the votes, he gets roe overturned...what is the problem? This is what Alabama wanted

That's what I don't understand either. It's almost like conservative women don't understand what they are voting on.

That's because most people are ignorant and/or vote/decide things with their "feelings" rather than logic. They're now witnessing the consequences of their decisions.

No. They know what they are voting for. They are “Good Christians” and want to save babies from sluts and whores.

And they assume their own daughters will never have a medical problem getting pregnant if she wants to. Or, won't have a fetus who might kill her and leave her other children motherless.

Nope. Firmly pro choice and firm Republican here. I will pay for my own DD’s needs whatever those may be. Athiest. There are tons of us.

How does this work if the procedure is banned? FWIW, no one here is arguing for state funding of abortions.

It is not banned in all states or all countries. You still can travel to get an abortion. Plus, six weeks is sufficient to make a decision.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Candidate Nicki Haley said today she agrees with the Court's decision. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nikki-haley-sides-with-alabama-supreme-court-on-ivf-ruling-embryos-to-me-are-babies/ar-BB1iFt7D

She had children via fertility treatments. “Embryos, to me, are babies,” Haley told NBC News in an interview, adding that she used artificial insemination to have her son, a different process than IVF that doesn’t present the same complexities around creating embryos in a lab. “When you talk about an embryo, you are talking about, to me, that’s a life. And so I do see where that’s coming from when they talk about that.”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/moderate-nikki-haley-agrees-with-alabama-ivf-ruling.html

Did she just out her husband as being sterile?

Why did you leap to her husband being sterile? Artificial insemination in a heterosexual couple usually involves taking sperm from the male and transferring it to the uterus of the female. It can be required if the sperm count is low or they are not motile. It is usually a precursor to IVF.
However it is disgusting though not surprising that Haley would pander.

+1

It's what she does. It's her worst trait.

Don't think supporting the end of IVF is going to get her many votes. 2 percent of births are IVF.

That is 1 in 50 people under about 40 I would guess. Try to find a person that does not know or care about some one that is here on earth because of IVF. Doubt you can do it.

And?
What does that prove?

The destruction of the availability of IVF treatments at fertility clinics is not a popular position to support

If the state imposes the view that embryos are people, that will ultimately be the result. Not all the embryos survive in IVF treatments so the clinics will just stop the procedure over liability issues as we have seen. Not all the embryos survive in natural fertilization and pregnancy either. And the that is also frought as the state looks for people to blame for that as well.

This doesn't seem to be something republicans understand.

Republicans seem to need some education in human reproduction. Fertility issues, fetal abnormalities, miscarriage, rape incest, conditions treated by birth control that have nothing to do with pregnancy, etc. , etc. Can some please explain to republicans where babies come from and how many things can go wrong in the process.

Statistically, Republicans have more children than Democrats. It is funny how child free people trying to explain to someone who has five kids where babies come from.

Why are you assuming the PP is child free? Many of us who have dealt with infertility and all that entails are quite well versed in the intricacies of human reproduction, and just how many things can go wrong during conception and pregnancy that result in needing abortions due to medical reasons. Or needing to utilize IVF.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, the women and potential parents in Alabama helped vote these conservatives in, so they get what they get.

The out cry is confusing. This is what Trump said he would do, he got the votes, he gets roe overturned...what is the problem? This is what Alabama wanted

That's what I don't understand either. It's almost like conservative women don't understand what they are voting on.

That's because most people are ignorant and/or vote/decide things with their "feelings" rather than logic. They're now witnessing the consequences of their decisions.

No. They know what they are voting for. They are “Good Christians” and want to save babies from sluts and whores.

And they assume their own daughters will never have a medical problem getting pregnant if she wants to. Or, won't have a fetus who might kill her and leave her other children motherless.

Nope. Firmly pro choice and firm Republican here. I will pay for my own DD’s needs whatever those may be. Athiest. There are tons of us.

How does this work if the procedure is banned? FWIW, no one here is arguing for state funding of abortions.

It is not banned in all states or all countries. You still can travel to get an abortion. Plus, six weeks is sufficient to make a decision.

You understand 6 weeks starts from the first day of the woman’s last menstrual cycle, right? She isn’t actually pregnant for those first two weeks (assuming standard 28-day cycle, with ovulation occurring on roughly day 14). And it typically takes anywhere from 3 to 7 days after ovulation for an embryo to successfully implant in the uterine lining. Most store-bought pregnancy tests aren’t reliable until 2 weeks or so after ovulation. So, at best, a women with absolutely textbook, clockwork-regular cycles who is paying complete attention to all the subtle cues of her body might start to suspect she’s pregnant between 4 and 5 weeks. At best.
Here’s a hint: lots and lots of women in this world don’t have perfectly textbook cycles.

My cycles are highly irregular, thanks to PCOS (a common condition and cause of infertility). With my last DD, I didn’t realize I was pregnant until I was nearly 7 weeks along. That isn’t unusual for women with irregular cycles.