Roe v Wade struck down

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https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/ruth-bader-ginsburgs-unexpected-legacy/

Good reminder of the facts—including Manchin’s support of R justices and Dems who supported Thomas.

Plus Obama’s failure to convince RBG to retire.

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Anonymous wrote:Forced birth in a country with:

—No universal healthcare
—No universal childcare
—No paid family & medical leave
—One of the highest rates of maternal mortality among rich nations

This isn't about "life." It's about control.

And say it again - it's not "pro life", it's "pro birth".

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What’s going to happen to all the children who result from unwanted pregnancies? Obviously some women will just have (another) child. I ache knowing how many more children are going to be in misery because of this. I ache for the poor kids who will be trafficked into conservative homes for brain washing. There is a group of adult adoptees who did not like their adoptions on twitter (I can’t remember if they’re totally opposed to adoption or what; help me out if you’ve seen these people); can you imagine in growing up in a home like that of cultist Amy whatever her name is? What kind of emotional and social abuse they practice on those poor kids, the pressure to never admit how awful it is?

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Anonymous wrote:Forced birth in a country with:

—No universal healthcare
—No universal childcare
—No paid family & medical leave
—One of the highest rates of maternal mortality among rich nations

This isn't about "life." It's about control.

And say it again - it's not "pro life", it's "pro birth".

Forced birth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/ruth-bader-ginsburgs-unexpected-legacy/

Good reminder of the facts—including Manchin’s support of R justices and Dems who supported Thomas.

Plus Obama’s failure to convince RBG to retire.

Does that right wing rag mention that six judicial activists lied in their hearings, or do they pay that fact no mind?

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Anonymous wrote:Forced birth in a country with:

—No universal healthcare
—No universal childcare
—No paid family & medical leave
—One of the highest rates of maternal mortality among rich nations

This isn't about "life." It's about control.

And say it again - it's not "pro life", it's "pro birth".

Forced birth.

well, yeah, now it is. Well, actually, now it is in X number of states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does it mean that women of all ages in red states will be forced to deliver babies when conceive by rape?

Yes. Let the forced birther love of “life” wash over you.

And they’re allowed parental rights. Imagine having to share custody with your rapist for 18 years.

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I haven’t read beyond the first several pages so apologies if this has been brought up.

Health clinics on federal land. Privately funded abortions. Possible? Feasible?

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Anonymous wrote:I predict very soon most college educated, professional women won’t even consider taking jobs in places like Texas and Florida. This will lead to a serious brain drain in red states.

There are plenty of college educated professional women who are pro choice and will be happy to take those jobs. They’ll also be taxed less for every dollar they earn.

U mad bro?

I know so so so many highly educated pro-life women.

Until they have an unplanned pregnancy.

Pro life and highly educated here. I had two unplanned pregnancies. Two sons, both are now adults, and their leftist father and family tried to get me to abort.

Pro choice, educated here. Both times had unplanned pregnancies. Made both times very difficult decisions to have babies. I am lucky to have very supportive pro choice families of mine and my husband's. But I made the choices.

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Anonymous wrote: This is not something I thought I would ever actually see.

Kudos to the SCOTUS on this. Always should have been up to the states.

But why exactly? I'm just looking for the rationale why it should be a state decision and not a federal one. I can't have children anymore so just curious for the next generation.

There is no Constitutional right to an abortion. The Constitution enshrines a very small number of fundamental enumerated and unenumerated rights. It doesn’t protect everything that’s good.

In the midst of a massive social and political fight over abortion, Roe and Casey created an obvious fiction: a Constitutional right to “privacy” that included a right to abortion. This removed the issue from the usual political process, and did irreparable damage to the Court and the country. Suddenly the Court was a 100% political institution.

Today’s decision delivers the issue back to the political process, where it always should have been. I am basically pro choice. I also recognize that someone isn’t crazy, or a bigot or a woman hater, if they really feel like aborting a fetus (particularly one that is viable, can feel pain, etc.) is murder or something close to it. It’s a complicated issue. There is going to have to be a compromise that leaves both sides unhappy. And the debate will continue, people will make arguments, mobilize votes. That’s what’s supposed to happen on hotly contested policy questions in a democracy.

So basically the constitution didn't and still doesn't consider having an abortion ending a life? The constitution enshrines life as far as I know. Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness.

No idea what your post is even trying to articulate. But the Constitution is different from the Declaration of Independence.

This kind of demonstrates the point though. This illiterate PP is free to have an opinion about abortion rights. But trying to support that opinion in the context of Constitutional law is a joke. You people have no clue what you’re talking about.

True I don't know but I started my request asking why this was a state's rights verses federal decision so I pretty much said I was ignorant from the beginning and never gave an opinion. I'm not a supreme court judge nor do I really have an opinion on abortion either way. I think more children and women should be cared for, but I don't know the law what should be allowed. Pro lifers seem to think it's murder so they would want a federal ruling I'd think that it was taking away a life and not a state's rights. I don't really understand why it was federal for roe-v wade and now why states have the right to decide. I don't really understand the new or old law on this. I'm mainly curious why it was determined that this be a state decision rather than a federal one.

Roe held that there was a constitutional right to an abortion. Applied to the whole country/federal.

This SCOTUS is now saying there is no constitutional right to an abortion. This means that the states can legislate any way they want. So it’s now a state by state issue.

Thank you. And originally it was a constitutional right because?

Because all people are guaranteed liberty under the constitution, which can only be abridged by the state given compelling interests. The states now need no reason to infringe upon your rights. Great job conservatives.

The right to reproduce is the most basic right of all, next to the right to live. Everything else is meaningless. Abortion is baked into the human experience. It’s not surprising to me the Founders took it for granted. In fact, until very recently this obsession with fetuses was a fringe Catholic belief only.

And not even really a Catholic belief. When my grandmother had a miscarriage in 1931, did anyone act like it was a death of a child? No. When my mom had one in 1966, did anyone? No. It's only very recently that Catholics have gone in for those "angel in heaven" and prayer services for miscarried fetuses. All that stuff came *after* the massive anti-abortion movement, which was thoroughly astrotufed by Republicans who needed a rallying cry post-Nixon to rebuild the party.

You are wrong. Their catechism holds that abortion is a grave sin and murder. It’s not a fringe belief. Don’t let them off the hook for using their religion to endanger the lives of women, people who they believe are less equal than men.

Abortion was allowed until quickening until the late 1800s. It’s new. And as the PP points out, women who lost pregnancies certainly weren’t treated like they’d lost a child.

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Anonymous wrote:Finally, after the suctioning of 63 million growing babies

Abortion won't stop. It will just be the rich that get it.

Agreed. This just punishes the poor and women with emergency health problems due to pregnancy.

There will be many, many illegal abortions in red states.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read beyond the first several pages so apologies if this has been brought up.

Health clinics on federal land. Privately funded abortions. Possible? Feasible?

Indian reservations are sovereign lands. Possible, feasible.

Just idiotic that we have to figure out end runs around christofascists.

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What can the AG or Biden possibly do to help fix this?

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Anonymous wrote:I predict very soon most college educated, professional women won’t even consider taking jobs in places like Texas and Florida. This will lead to a serious brain drain in red states.

There are plenty of college educated professional women who are pro choice and will be happy to take those jobs. They’ll also be taxed less for every dollar they earn.

U mad bro?

I know so so so many highly educated pro-life women.

Until they have an unplanned pregnancy.

Pro life and highly educated here. I had two unplanned pregnancies. Two sons, both are now adults, and their leftist father and family tried to get me to abort.

That was your choice and I glad that you were able to make it. All women should be able to make choices about how and when they will have children. No one has the right to make choices concerning another woman's body.

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Anonymous wrote:One option might be to boycott colleges and universities in red states, since female students lives are at risk by attending the Vanderbilts and Emorys, etc. Moreover, call for conferences, sports leagues, etc. to be defunded in these states. Make it easier for women to gain in-state residency kind of like asylum when they flee these states. Academic boycotts of red state politician, etc.

That's not a real option. It's about as real as saying one option is for liberals to start moving en masse to red states to change the vote there. In fact, that is probably more realistic. The notion that getting a small group of elite students to boycott a handful of schools will change anything is delusional. Sorry, but that's the truth.

Here’s the thing: southern schools have become very popular in recent years. Droves of kids from the east coast are flocking down to southern schools.

I think it’s because even liberals are more moderate than you realize.

There’s a backlash, and we Dems need to recognize it and take action.

The residency requirements to vote can be an issue for college students. Residency requirements also protect the likes of UMich and UVA from OOS paying in-state tuition.
We're going to sign them all up to vote locally and torpedo your red enclaves. In fact i will start a scholarship fund for anyone who attends a university in a red county and agrees to vote Democrat.

Univ of Michigan students can register to vote there. https://www.a2gov.org/departments/city-clerk/Elections/Pages/Student-Voting.aspx