Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

[Anonymous]

Agree.

[Anonymous]

If this goes to trial, then the “winner” (in the court of public opinion, anyway) will be defined by who we find more likable. Baldoni might come off like an actual creep, and Lively might come off like an actual victim (and Ryan the lovingly protective spouse). It is still so early!

If, on the other hand, Baldoni ends up seeming sincere and normal, and Lively acts like she normal does in interviews, then I think he could make a comeback. Too soon to tell.

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Anonymous wrote:To PP, look, I appreciate your friends at DWT are being paid a pile of $ to litigate this case- good old media liability coverage kicking in and NYT has tons of it- but that doesn’t mean Freedman’s doing a bad job and it doesn’t mean the NYT will prevail

Freedman's doing great PR-wise.

And regarding the Lively case, he's maneuvering well. I think it's somewhat evenly matched there at this point, but Freedman certainly isn't doing a bad job on that front.

I think Freedman is completely out over his skis in the defamation case against NYT and that the lawsuit was a bit of a stunt (which, again, from a PR perspective was very effective) and is unlikely to get much further than this.

I don't know anyone at Davis Wright. I wish I knew Kate Bolger, she's a great attorney!

And how would you know that if you don’t know anything about her or the firm?

Ugh, are you not familiar with other people in your industry who do good work? Lawyers are also like academics in that a lot of their work is published and read by others in the industry even if you have no connection to the thing they are working on or their organization.

Do you really find it surprising that the NYT's 1st Amendment lawyer would be well known and respected?

You can’t answer the question? What industry do you work in? Bc no, most lawyers - even lawyers working around media- aren’t going to know DWT or Bolger. You’re an insider, but sure, keep lying. Fwiw, I am as well.

Also, are you the angry pro-Baldoni lawyer who keeps accusing other people of not being lawyers or alternatively being insiders, and is themselves, by hammer own admission (see above, which I ran across trying to remember what folks had said about the PO), some sort of insider? What sort of “insider” are you, anyway?

Nope, I'm the other pro-Baldoni supporter (or at least one of them) who asserts that there are Blake insiders on this thread. There is just no way that anyone other than someone who is supremely vested in this case would point to this level of case law to counter each Baldoni support thread. How are you billing your hours? Certainly if a law firm allows you this much time on this case, supporting Blake at every turn, they are getting something out of it.

I’m not an insider by any stretch lol, and again people confuse 2-3 posters who go against the pro-Baldoni grain as one poster.

I sure am interested in hearing back re what kind of self-reported insider the Baldoni supporter is who wrote, above: “What industry do you work in? Bc no, most lawyers - even lawyers working around media- aren’t going to know DWT or Bolger. You’re an insider, but sure, keep lying. Fwiw, I am as well.”

[Anonymous]

I don’t think this case would affect future Deadpool movie returns. I enjoy those movies but I’m not sure aging moms are their primary audience ha. Reynolds in romantic comedies might take a hit but I don’t think he has aimed in that market, or wanted to, for a while (not sure.)

But as I also said above re Baldoni, I’m not sure either party really wants to test this right now and try to launch a bunch of movie projects successfully, since that hurts their arguments they were injured by the defamation etc.

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Anonymous wrote:If this goes to trial, then the “winner” (in the court of public opinion, anyway) will be defined by who we find more likable. Baldoni might come off like an actual creep, and Lively might come off like an actual victim (and Ryan the lovingly protective spouse). It is still so early!

If, on the other hand, Baldoni ends up seeming sincere and normal, and Lively acts like she normal does in interviews, then I think he could make a comeback. Too soon to tell.

Except that ship sailed a long time ago. Most people do not view lively as a victim, and even the ones who do, I haven’t seen anyone claim that Ryan acted as a loving spouse.

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Anonymous wrote:To PP, look, I appreciate your friends at DWT are being paid a pile of $ to litigate this case- good old media liability coverage kicking in and NYT has tons of it- but that doesn’t mean Freedman’s doing a bad job and it doesn’t mean the NYT will prevail

Freedman's doing great PR-wise.

And regarding the Lively case, he's maneuvering well. I think it's somewhat evenly matched there at this point, but Freedman certainly isn't doing a bad job on that front.

I think Freedman is completely out over his skis in the defamation case against NYT and that the lawsuit was a bit of a stunt (which, again, from a PR perspective was very effective) and is unlikely to get much further than this.

I don't know anyone at Davis Wright. I wish I knew Kate Bolger, she's a great attorney!

And how would you know that if you don’t know anything about her or the firm?

Ugh, are you not familiar with other people in your industry who do good work? Lawyers are also like academics in that a lot of their work is published and read by others in the industry even if you have no connection to the thing they are working on or their organization.

Do you really find it surprising that the NYT's 1st Amendment lawyer would be well known and respected?

You can’t answer the question? What industry do you work in? Bc no, most lawyers - even lawyers working around media- aren’t going to know DWT or Bolger. You’re an insider, but sure, keep lying. Fwiw, I am as well.

Also, are you the angry pro-Baldoni lawyer who keeps accusing other people of not being lawyers or alternatively being insiders, and is themselves, by hammer own admission (see above, which I ran across trying to remember what folks had said about the PO), some sort of insider? What sort of “insider” are you, anyway?

There are multiple people who know you aren’t a litigator, but like to pretend to be one on dcum.

[Anonymous]

Wallace has a few things to say under oath, and none of them are good for Blake’s case.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake and Ryan’s careers are over. They are detestable pathological lying schemers. Everyone sees their true colors.

Yeah no one is following this case anymore. Lively has all but lost.

Lol tons of people are still following the case.

Yes, lots of people still following, but most people have made up their minds and it overall doesn’t look good for Blake and Ryan. I think PP’s point was that no matter what happens in the actual legal cases the damage to their reputations is significant and long lasting.

This is true for both sides, though. And likely much worse for Baldoni and Wayfarer, who most people were unaware of before this whole thing blew up. He will be defined by this, whereas Ryan and Blake have a longer history in the public eye and this will become part of a larger story, but not the whole story. There are plenty of wealthy, famous people who have some black eye incident in their history, but who continue to have profitable careers. And Blake and Ryan aren't accused of a crime, but merely of being bullying and greedy. Well, so have many others. I think Ryan, in particular, will be totally fine in the end. People are more forgiving of men with these traits. Blake will be punished more but will probably still be able to stay in the public eye in some capacity.

Baldoni is stuck though. He can't return to his male feminist brand because the people who would have been most receptive to that -- feminist women actively seeking allies -- are also the group most likely to believe Blake. Even Liz Plank abandoned him. He could pivot to sort of a men's rights angle, especially with support of people like Candace Owens and Megyn Kelly, but he will lose even people who are not hard core feminists but how generally find the alt-right and Trump supporters to be unsavory (which is most of Hollywood). He isn't going to find traction as an actor, professionally, that ship had sailed before this whole thing started -- maybe IEWU could have restarted his acting career, but not after all this. Major studios will not want to partner with Wayfarer after this -- even if Baldoni were cleared of the SH charges, it appears that the production was unprofessionally run and that they may have exposed themselves to these problems with poor leadership and a disorganized set.

I think it's more likely that Lively will win on the legal front than Baldoni (still a decent chance they just settle before trial, IMO, and no one is a clear winner) and I think they'll all suffer professionally and in the public eye, but that Baldoni will lose more than Lively/Reynolds do. The biggest winners will likely be Sarowitz and Reynolds, who will both stay rich and profitable with less impact on their reputations than Baldoni and Reynolds.

I actually think this is worst for Blake. She’s in a lose-lose truly. If she loses, well that’s self explanatory. If she wins, she’ll be seen as the woman who single handedly destroyed the me too movement. Trust and believe that she’s just put a huge spotlight on the constitutionality of laws like this one that takes away due process. Some states have already struck them down. I’m sure there are some lawyers foaming at the mouth to challenge laws like this in the high court.

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Ryan acted as a loving spouse toward Lively in trying to get self-proclaimed male feminist Baldoni from stopping with the weirdly intimate questions and inexplicable extra-extra nakedness and sex scenes he was stubbornly insistent on requiring from Lively for his PG-13 movie.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake and Ryan’s careers are over. They are detestable pathological lying schemers. Everyone sees their true colors.

Yeah no one is following this case anymore. Lively has all but lost.

Lol tons of people are still following the case.

Yes, lots of people still following, but most people have made up their minds and it overall doesn’t look good for Blake and Ryan. I think PP’s point was that no matter what happens in the actual legal cases the damage to their reputations is significant and long lasting.

This is true for both sides, though. And likely much worse for Baldoni and Wayfarer, who most people were unaware of before this whole thing blew up. He will be defined by this, whereas Ryan and Blake have a longer history in the public eye and this will become part of a larger story, but not the whole story. There are plenty of wealthy, famous people who have some black eye incident in their history, but who continue to have profitable careers. And Blake and Ryan aren't accused of a crime, but merely of being bullying and greedy. Well, so have many others. I think Ryan, in particular, will be totally fine in the end. People are more forgiving of men with these traits. Blake will be punished more but will probably still be able to stay in the public eye in some capacity.

Baldoni is stuck though. He can't return to his male feminist brand because the people who would have been most receptive to that -- feminist women actively seeking allies -- are also the group most likely to believe Blake. Even Liz Plank abandoned him. He could pivot to sort of a men's rights angle, especially with support of people like Candace Owens and Megyn Kelly, but he will lose even people who are not hard core feminists but how generally find the alt-right and Trump supporters to be unsavory (which is most of Hollywood). He isn't going to find traction as an actor, professionally, that ship had sailed before this whole thing started -- maybe IEWU could have restarted his acting career, but not after all this. Major studios will not want to partner with Wayfarer after this -- even if Baldoni were cleared of the SH charges, it appears that the production was unprofessionally run and that they may have exposed themselves to these problems with poor leadership and a disorganized set.

I think it's more likely that Lively will win on the legal front than Baldoni (still a decent chance they just settle before trial, IMO, and no one is a clear winner) and I think they'll all suffer professionally and in the public eye, but that Baldoni will lose more than Lively/Reynolds do. The biggest winners will likely be Sarowitz and Reynolds, who will both stay rich and profitable with less impact on their reputations than Baldoni and Reynolds.

I actually think this is worst for Blake. She’s in a lose-lose truly. If she loses, well that’s self explanatory. If she wins, she’ll be seen as the woman who single handedly destroyed the me too movement. Trust and believe that she’s just put a huge spotlight on the constitutionality of laws like this one that takes away due process. Some states have already struck them down. I’m sure there are some lawyers foaming at the mouth to challenge laws like this in the high court.

I don't understand this. If she wins the case then that means she would have proven to a jury she was sexually harassed, so how would that destroy the me too movement? Which law do you believe is taking away Baldoni's due process? They are going through the "process" right now in court.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake and Ryan’s careers are over. They are detestable pathological lying schemers. Everyone sees their true colors.

Yeah no one is following this case anymore. Lively has all but lost.

Lol tons of people are still following the case.

Yes, lots of people still following, but most people have made up their minds and it overall doesn’t look good for Blake and Ryan. I think PP’s point was that no matter what happens in the actual legal cases the damage to their reputations is significant and long lasting.

This is true for both sides, though. And likely much worse for Baldoni and Wayfarer, who most people were unaware of before this whole thing blew up. He will be defined by this, whereas Ryan and Blake have a longer history in the public eye and this will become part of a larger story, but not the whole story. There are plenty of wealthy, famous people who have some black eye incident in their history, but who continue to have profitable careers. And Blake and Ryan aren't accused of a crime, but merely of being bullying and greedy. Well, so have many others. I think Ryan, in particular, will be totally fine in the end. People are more forgiving of men with these traits. Blake will be punished more but will probably still be able to stay in the public eye in some capacity.

Baldoni is stuck though. He can't return to his male feminist brand because the people who would have been most receptive to that -- feminist women actively seeking allies -- are also the group most likely to believe Blake. Even Liz Plank abandoned him. He could pivot to sort of a men's rights angle, especially with support of people like Candace Owens and Megyn Kelly, but he will lose even people who are not hard core feminists but how generally find the alt-right and Trump supporters to be unsavory (which is most of Hollywood). He isn't going to find traction as an actor, professionally, that ship had sailed before this whole thing started -- maybe IEWU could have restarted his acting career, but not after all this. Major studios will not want to partner with Wayfarer after this -- even if Baldoni were cleared of the SH charges, it appears that the production was unprofessionally run and that they may have exposed themselves to these problems with poor leadership and a disorganized set.

I think it's more likely that Lively will win on the legal front than Baldoni (still a decent chance they just settle before trial, IMO, and no one is a clear winner) and I think they'll all suffer professionally and in the public eye, but that Baldoni will lose more than Lively/Reynolds do. The biggest winners will likely be Sarowitz and Reynolds, who will both stay rich and profitable with less impact on their reputations than Baldoni and Reynolds.

I actually think this is worst for Blake. She’s in a lose-lose truly. If she loses, well that’s self explanatory. If she wins, she’ll be seen as the woman who single handedly destroyed the me too movement. Trust and believe that she’s just put a huge spotlight on the constitutionality of laws like this one that takes away due process. Some states have already struck them down. I’m sure there are some lawyers foaming at the mouth to challenge laws like this in the high court.

I don't understand this. If she wins the case then that means she would have proven to a jury she was sexually harassed, so how would that destroy the me too movement? Which law do you believe is taking away Baldoni's due process? They are going through the "process" right now in court.

I was most referring to if she wins the MTD, but could still come into play if California’s me too laws are seen as hampering ability to defend himself or makes it so he can’t bring certain claims.

[Anonymous]

Just realizing that the fact that Baldoni asked Heath to show Lively the video of Heath’s wife giving birth means that Heath must have previously showed Baldoni the video of Heath’s nude wife giving birth, and Baldoni must have watched all or most of it, for Baldoni to have formed opinions on it.

And the Baldoni and Heath families socialize together all the time. But Heath must have shown Baldoni his nude wife in a tub, probably without asking his wife about it, given Heath’s reaction to Lively’s question that she wasn’t overly sensitive about that sort of thing.

If I gave birth naked and was filmed, I definitely would not want my husband showing the video to his friends and work mates, and/or strangers. Ew ew ew ew.

I would feel that him doing so would certainly conflict with my own desire to be in charge of any sensitive images of my body. And I would certainly expect that anyone who considered themselves to be a feminist would not take such a paternalistic view over who “owns” the female body in that way. Sheesh.

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Anonymous wrote:Just realizing that the fact that Baldoni asked Heath to show Lively the video of Heath’s wife giving birth means that Heath must have previously showed Baldoni the video of Heath’s nude wife giving birth, and Baldoni must have watched all or most of it, for Baldoni to have formed opinions on it.

And the Baldoni and Heath families socialize together all the time. But Heath must have shown Baldoni his nude wife in a tub, probably without asking his wife about it, given Heath’s reaction to Lively’s question that she wasn’t overly sensitive about that sort of thing.

If I gave birth naked and was filmed, I definitely would not want my husband showing the video to his friends and work mates, and/or strangers. Ew ew ew ew.

I would feel that him doing so would certainly conflict with my own desire to be in charge of any sensitive images of my body. And I would certainly expect that anyone who considered themselves to be a feminist would not take such a paternalistic view over who “owns” the female body in that way. Sheesh.

That’s a big leap

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Anonymous wrote:Just realizing that the fact that Baldoni asked Heath to show Lively the video of Heath’s wife giving birth means that Heath must have previously showed Baldoni the video of Heath’s nude wife giving birth, and Baldoni must have watched all or most of it, for Baldoni to have formed opinions on it.

And the Baldoni and Heath families socialize together all the time. But Heath must have shown Baldoni his nude wife in a tub, probably without asking his wife about it, given Heath’s reaction to Lively’s question that she wasn’t overly sensitive about that sort of thing.

If I gave birth naked and was filmed, I definitely would not want my husband showing the video to his friends and work mates, and/or strangers. Ew ew ew ew.

I would feel that him doing so would certainly conflict with my own desire to be in charge of any sensitive images of my body. And I would certainly expect that anyone who considered themselves to be a feminist would not take such a paternalistic view over who “owns” the female body in that way. Sheesh.

That’s a big leap

When Lively protested Heath showing her his wife’s nude video, he totally shrugged it off with some statement like “Oh, she’s not weird about stuff like that.” You think *that* guy checked in with his wife before showing it to Baldoni lol? Nah.

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Anonymous wrote:Just realizing that the fact that Baldoni asked Heath to show Lively the video of Heath’s wife giving birth means that Heath must have previously showed Baldoni the video of Heath’s nude wife giving birth, and Baldoni must have watched all or most of it, for Baldoni to have formed opinions on it.

And the Baldoni and Heath families socialize together all the time. But Heath must have shown Baldoni his nude wife in a tub, probably without asking his wife about it, given Heath’s reaction to Lively’s question that she wasn’t overly sensitive about that sort of thing.

If I gave birth naked and was filmed, I definitely would not want my husband showing the video to his friends and work mates, and/or strangers. Ew ew ew ew.

I would feel that him doing so would certainly conflict with my own desire to be in charge of any sensitive images of my body. And I would certainly expect that anyone who considered themselves to be a feminist would not take such a paternalistic view over who “owns” the female body in that way. Sheesh.

That’s a big leap

When Lively protested Heath showing her his wife’s nude video, he totally shrugged it off with some statement like “Oh, she’s not weird about stuff like that.” You think *that* guy checked in with his wife before showing it to Baldoni lol? Nah.

Have you ever met a woman who has had a tub home birth, that they film? The few I know who have basically want to show that off to everyone and anyone who will hear about it.