FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:If nobody in the community wants to be re-zoned then it makes no sense to do it. Shouldn't the decision be driven by the tax payers who this most impacts? Seems logical to me. In this situation the school board is going against the ENTIRE community. Thats literally dictatorship.

The majority of boundary changes ever made by school systems are not popular. People do not like change.

There's a special brand of smugness among those who want a local school board to go against the will of their constituents.

Not all constituents are against it. Just because YOU are and people of your ilk are doesn't means everyone is that selfish. The boundaries haven't changed in decades but the area has changed and grown significantly. Boundaries need to be changed unless you want some schools to have up to 40 students in a classroom within the next decade.

By "people of your ilk" you mean parents, who should have the greatest voice in school issues.

Are the parents the only ones paying for it?

Rezoning is more expensive.

So yes, the parents' voices should carry the most weight in the rezoning process.

Having kids in trailers and Modular’s is more expensive when there are high schools close by with room.

Trailers are cheap and modulars, once installed, are a sunk cost.

We should be spending more time asking why some of these schools have empty seats and less time plotting to move kids around like widgets.

Well, in regards to Falls Church HS and Langley HS it was because of very expensive renovations (many times more than a modular). We should get our money’s worth from both of them. Transfer students to both and lose the modular at McLean.

Get rid of all split feeders. Kids who go to elementary and middle school together should have the opportunity to graduate with each other. They should not be split up. Get rid of attendance islands too. Lets keep kids as close to their peers and schools as possible.

All of you screaming about kids having a say and maintaining the current community as a reason to push back against boundary adjustments are just using "politically correct" arguments that are code for you don't want your kids going to school with too many of "the poors".

Those arguments are reminiscent of those used by segregationists back in the 40s and 50s arguing against school integration. Examples of some of those arguments - People should have their own say in where their kids go to school. It's important to preserve continuity for their children. There will be weaker educational standards. What about Taxpayer rights? I've seen tidbits of all of these arguments made in this chain over the last couple of days.

At least be honest like the PP above who complained about FARM kids being behind and not wanting that to affect their child's education.

Oh please

South County parents are upset about being rezoned to equivalent Lake Braddock.

Lake Braddock and West Springfield parents are upset about being rezoned to equivalent South County.

All of those schools are quite diverse with similar socioeconomic levels and similar communities.

People want to stay in their neighborhood schools, within their home communities, in the schools they were zoned for when they purchased their houses, where their kids have put down roots.

So we should keep attendance islands and split feeders because it'll be a little less convenient for some of you all in West Springfield and Lake Braddock. Got it. Maintaining schools within a specific pyramid (i.e. neighborhood/home community) by removing attendance islands and split feeders is not important unless it is the one you are currently in. God the entitlement on this board is so completely disturbing.

First you slur the people upset about their kids being rezoned as racist, jim crow segregationists.

My comment about the arguments against rezoning in this thread are reminiscent of those used during Jim Crow. You haven't even tried to deny it. Just deflecting. To be clear, I never called anyone racist. But, I do maintain that resorting to those arguments are for transparently self serving reasons rather than better for the district as a whole. Just as they were during Jim Crow.

Then, when the facts are presented to you that everyone with kids is upset, even families getting rezoned to equivalent SES, geographical and demographically similar schools, you switch from calling them modern klan types who are only upset because they don't want to mix with people you deam undesireable, to "entitled" and disturbing.

What facts are you pointing to? A couple other posters on a random thread on this message board? You think the small number of posters on this board are indicative of the population of Fairfax County at large? Again, I never called anyone racist. Just pointing out the similarity in transparent arguments to avoid undesired changes. Also, literally yesterday someone pointed to a talking points website which made absolutely clear that the problem was not redistricting but where the kids were redistricted to. Both McLean and Marshall were acceptable landing spots for kids from the elementary school in Falls Church, but FCHS was not. They provided a list of like 10 different arguments which were absolutely weak and ridiculous.

If you don't want me to see you as anything other than entitled, give me a coherent argument that maintaining split feeders and attendance islands are better in the aggregate for Fairfax County.

People don't want to get rezoned. Not to a worse school. Not to a better school. Not even to equivalent school

Apparently you have the pulse of the entire community? I imagine a lot of people would rather there kids not go to a split feeder school and would also prefer not to live on attendance islands. Same for parents who will be putting kids into the schools in the next few years. Just because you are loud and persistent does not make you right.

The only people in favor of rezoning are those who want to move other people's kids out of their neighborhood schools and into your school to improve your property value.

You know nothing about me. Regardless, this argument is demonstrably false. Otherwise, school boundary adjustments would never happen. Thru consulting would never have been retained and this whole ordeal would not exist. Again, just because you are loud and persistent does not make you right.

You pretty much called everyone who doesn't want their kids rezoned racists.

Telling them they are a modern version of jim crow is an ugly slur, and trope for aligning them to klansmen, the architects of jim crow.

All they want is for their kids to be left alone. There is nothing jim crow anout that.

I didnt call anyone racist. I said that people are using the same transparently self serving arguments that were used during Jim Crow to avoid integration. And the arguments are the same. Everyone wants their kids to be left alone in the situation that they are currently in. The status quo should be maintained. The District has a reasonable interest in addressing issues surrounding attendance islands and split feeders. Sorry it may not vibe with you wanting your kids to be left alone.

The underlined is calling people racist, clear as day.

I disagree. Please explain how saying the arguments used here by the anti-boundary adjustment crowd are the same used by those opposing integration in the civil rights era is equivalent to me calling someone racist. Apparently, my Fairfax County education is failing me.

It seems like you are just trying to dismiss my argument by accusing me of saying something which was not said because you lack an actual argument. I am willing to entertain this position though, if you can properly explain.

You probably need to research Jim Crow a little more before throwing around that accusation of racism.

Jim Crow was about disenfranchising people for their skin color by keeping them out of things. Out of schools, out of neighborhoods, out of restaurants, businesses and political voice, through violence and intimidation.

It is not at all the same as families from a tiny neighborhood from Silverbrook, not wanting to switch from their majority minority neighborhood secondary school South County that is 22% black (possibly the highest black population in the county) and only 37% white, to majority minority Lake Braddock. Nor is it Jim Crow for the tiny Sangster neighborhood to not want to leave their majority minority neighborhood secondary school Lake Braddock that is 21% hispanic, 20% asian and only 42% white, to switch with the Silverbrook families from majority minority South County.

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Anonymous wrote:If nobody in the community wants to be re-zoned then it makes no sense to do it. Shouldn't the decision be driven by the tax payers who this most impacts? Seems logical to me. In this situation the school board is going against the ENTIRE community. Thats literally dictatorship.

The majority of boundary changes ever made by school systems are not popular. People do not like change.

There's a special brand of smugness among those who want a local school board to go against the will of their constituents.

Not all constituents are against it. Just because YOU are and people of your ilk are doesn't means everyone is that selfish. The boundaries haven't changed in decades but the area has changed and grown significantly. Boundaries need to be changed unless you want some schools to have up to 40 students in a classroom within the next decade.

By "people of your ilk" you mean parents, who should have the greatest voice in school issues.

Are the parents the only ones paying for it?

Rezoning is more expensive.

So yes, the parents' voices should carry the most weight in the rezoning process.

Having kids in trailers and Modular’s is more expensive when there are high schools close by with room.

Trailers are cheap and modulars, once installed, are a sunk cost.

We should be spending more time asking why some of these schools have empty seats and less time plotting to move kids around like widgets.

Well, in regards to Falls Church HS and Langley HS it was because of very expensive renovations (many times more than a modular). We should get our money’s worth from both of them. Transfer students to both and lose the modular at McLean.

Get rid of all split feeders. Kids who go to elementary and middle school together should have the opportunity to graduate with each other. They should not be split up. Get rid of attendance islands too. Lets keep kids as close to their peers and schools as possible.

All of you screaming about kids having a say and maintaining the current community as a reason to push back against boundary adjustments are just using "politically correct" arguments that are code for you don't want your kids going to school with too many of "the poors".

Those arguments are reminiscent of those used by segregationists back in the 40s and 50s arguing against school integration. Examples of some of those arguments - People should have their own say in where their kids go to school. It's important to preserve continuity for their children. There will be weaker educational standards. What about Taxpayer rights? I've seen tidbits of all of these arguments made in this chain over the last couple of days.

At least be honest like the PP above who complained about FARM kids being behind and not wanting that to affect their child's education.

Oh please

South County parents are upset about being rezoned to equivalent Lake Braddock.

Lake Braddock and West Springfield parents are upset about being rezoned to equivalent South County.

All of those schools are quite diverse with similar socioeconomic levels and similar communities.

People want to stay in their neighborhood schools, within their home communities, in the schools they were zoned for when they purchased their houses, where their kids have put down roots.

So we should keep attendance islands and split feeders because it'll be a little less convenient for some of you all in West Springfield and Lake Braddock. Got it. Maintaining schools within a specific pyramid (i.e. neighborhood/home community) by removing attendance islands and split feeders is not important unless it is the one you are currently in. God the entitlement on this board is so completely disturbing.

First you slur the people upset about their kids being rezoned as racist, jim crow segregationists.

My comment about the arguments against rezoning in this thread are reminiscent of those used during Jim Crow. You haven't even tried to deny it. Just deflecting. To be clear, I never called anyone racist. But, I do maintain that resorting to those arguments are for transparently self serving reasons rather than better for the district as a whole. Just as they were during Jim Crow.

Then, when the facts are presented to you that everyone with kids is upset, even families getting rezoned to equivalent SES, geographical and demographically similar schools, you switch from calling them modern klan types who are only upset because they don't want to mix with people you deam undesireable, to "entitled" and disturbing.

What facts are you pointing to? A couple other posters on a random thread on this message board? You think the small number of posters on this board are indicative of the population of Fairfax County at large? Again, I never called anyone racist. Just pointing out the similarity in transparent arguments to avoid undesired changes. Also, literally yesterday someone pointed to a talking points website which made absolutely clear that the problem was not redistricting but where the kids were redistricted to. Both McLean and Marshall were acceptable landing spots for kids from the elementary school in Falls Church, but FCHS was not. They provided a list of like 10 different arguments which were absolutely weak and ridiculous.

If you don't want me to see you as anything other than entitled, give me a coherent argument that maintaining split feeders and attendance islands are better in the aggregate for Fairfax County.

People don't want to get rezoned. Not to a worse school. Not to a better school. Not even to equivalent school

Apparently you have the pulse of the entire community? I imagine a lot of people would rather there kids not go to a split feeder school and would also prefer not to live on attendance islands. Same for parents who will be putting kids into the schools in the next few years. Just because you are loud and persistent does not make you right.

The only people in favor of rezoning are those who want to move other people's kids out of their neighborhood schools and into your school to improve your property value.

You know nothing about me. Regardless, this argument is demonstrably false. Otherwise, school boundary adjustments would never happen. Thru consulting would never have been retained and this whole ordeal would not exist. Again, just because you are loud and persistent does not make you right.

You pretty much called everyone who doesn't want their kids rezoned racists.

Telling them they are a modern version of jim crow is an ugly slur, and trope for aligning them to klansmen, the architects of jim crow.

All they want is for their kids to be left alone. There is nothing jim crow anout that.

I didnt call anyone racist. I said that people are using the same transparently self serving arguments that were used during Jim Crow to avoid integration. And the arguments are the same. Everyone wants their kids to be left alone in the situation that they are currently in. The status quo should be maintained. The District has a reasonable interest in addressing issues surrounding attendance islands and split feeders. Sorry it may not vibe with you wanting your kids to be left alone.

The underlined is calling people racist, clear as day.

I disagree. Please explain how saying the arguments used here by the anti-boundary adjustment crowd are the same used by those opposing integration in the civil rights era is equivalent to me calling someone racist. Apparently, my Fairfax County education is failing me.

It seems like you are just trying to dismiss my argument by accusing me of saying something which was not said because you lack an actual argument. I am willing to entertain this position though, if you can properly explain.

DP. What? You call people racist and then have the gall to say that they are trying to dismiss your argument. What a wackadoodle.

I never called anyone racist. Just said the same arguments are being used between those begging for the boundary status quo and those fighting integration during the civil rights era. You havent even tried to show that statement is false. Try again. Calling someone a clown, whackadoodle, Sandy or any other belittling name is the sign of someone without a decent argument.

Calling everyone who wants consistency in their kids’ schools a racist is the reason that trump is in the White House. You don’t see it, but it’s true.

People like you always push this crap too far with your extremist agenda. It turns normal people off your cause.

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Anonymous wrote:If nobody in the community wants to be re-zoned then it makes no sense to do it. Shouldn't the decision be driven by the tax payers who this most impacts? Seems logical to me. In this situation the school board is going against the ENTIRE community. Thats literally dictatorship.

The majority of boundary changes ever made by school systems are not popular. People do not like change.

There's a special brand of smugness among those who want a local school board to go against the will of their constituents.

Not all constituents are against it. Just because YOU are and people of your ilk are doesn't means everyone is that selfish. The boundaries haven't changed in decades but the area has changed and grown significantly. Boundaries need to be changed unless you want some schools to have up to 40 students in a classroom within the next decade.

By "people of your ilk" you mean parents, who should have the greatest voice in school issues.

Are the parents the only ones paying for it?

Rezoning is more expensive.

So yes, the parents' voices should carry the most weight in the rezoning process.

Having kids in trailers and Modular’s is more expensive when there are high schools close by with room.

Trailers are cheap and modulars, once installed, are a sunk cost.

We should be spending more time asking why some of these schools have empty seats and less time plotting to move kids around like widgets.

Well, in regards to Falls Church HS and Langley HS it was because of very expensive renovations (many times more than a modular). We should get our money’s worth from both of them. Transfer students to both and lose the modular at McLean.

Get rid of all split feeders. Kids who go to elementary and middle school together should have the opportunity to graduate with each other. They should not be split up. Get rid of attendance islands too. Lets keep kids as close to their peers and schools as possible.

All of you screaming about kids having a say and maintaining the current community as a reason to push back against boundary adjustments are just using "politically correct" arguments that are code for you don't want your kids going to school with too many of "the poors".

Those arguments are reminiscent of those used by segregationists back in the 40s and 50s arguing against school integration. Examples of some of those arguments - People should have their own say in where their kids go to school. It's important to preserve continuity for their children. There will be weaker educational standards. What about Taxpayer rights? I've seen tidbits of all of these arguments made in this chain over the last couple of days.

At least be honest like the PP above who complained about FARM kids being behind and not wanting that to affect their child's education.

Oh please

South County parents are upset about being rezoned to equivalent Lake Braddock.

Lake Braddock and West Springfield parents are upset about being rezoned to equivalent South County.

All of those schools are quite diverse with similar socioeconomic levels and similar communities.

People want to stay in their neighborhood schools, within their home communities, in the schools they were zoned for when they purchased their houses, where their kids have put down roots.

So we should keep attendance islands and split feeders because it'll be a little less convenient for some of you all in West Springfield and Lake Braddock. Got it. Maintaining schools within a specific pyramid (i.e. neighborhood/home community) by removing attendance islands and split feeders is not important unless it is the one you are currently in. God the entitlement on this board is so completely disturbing.

First you slur the people upset about their kids being rezoned as racist, jim crow segregationists.

My comment about the arguments against rezoning in this thread are reminiscent of those used during Jim Crow. You haven't even tried to deny it. Just deflecting. To be clear, I never called anyone racist. But, I do maintain that resorting to those arguments are for transparently self serving reasons rather than better for the district as a whole. Just as they were during Jim Crow.

Then, when the facts are presented to you that everyone with kids is upset, even families getting rezoned to equivalent SES, geographical and demographically similar schools, you switch from calling them modern klan types who are only upset because they don't want to mix with people you deam undesireable, to "entitled" and disturbing.

What facts are you pointing to? A couple other posters on a random thread on this message board? You think the small number of posters on this board are indicative of the population of Fairfax County at large? Again, I never called anyone racist. Just pointing out the similarity in transparent arguments to avoid undesired changes. Also, literally yesterday someone pointed to a talking points website which made absolutely clear that the problem was not redistricting but where the kids were redistricted to. Both McLean and Marshall were acceptable landing spots for kids from the elementary school in Falls Church, but FCHS was not. They provided a list of like 10 different arguments which were absolutely weak and ridiculous.

If you don't want me to see you as anything other than entitled, give me a coherent argument that maintaining split feeders and attendance islands are better in the aggregate for Fairfax County.

People don't want to get rezoned. Not to a worse school. Not to a better school. Not even to equivalent school

Apparently you have the pulse of the entire community? I imagine a lot of people would rather there kids not go to a split feeder school and would also prefer not to live on attendance islands. Same for parents who will be putting kids into the schools in the next few years. Just because you are loud and persistent does not make you right.

The only people in favor of rezoning are those who want to move other people's kids out of their neighborhood schools and into your school to improve your property value.

You know nothing about me. Regardless, this argument is demonstrably false. Otherwise, school boundary adjustments would never happen. Thru consulting would never have been retained and this whole ordeal would not exist. Again, just because you are loud and persistent does not make you right.

You pretty much called everyone who doesn't want their kids rezoned racists.

Telling them they are a modern version of jim crow is an ugly slur, and trope for aligning them to klansmen, the architects of jim crow.

All they want is for their kids to be left alone. There is nothing jim crow anout that.

I didnt call anyone racist. I said that people are using the same transparently self serving arguments that were used during Jim Crow to avoid integration. And the arguments are the same. Everyone wants their kids to be left alone in the situation that they are currently in. The status quo should be maintained. The District has a reasonable interest in addressing issues surrounding attendance islands and split feeders. Sorry it may not vibe with you wanting your kids to be left alone.

The underlined is calling people racist, clear as day.

I disagree. Please explain how saying the arguments used here by the anti-boundary adjustment crowd are the same used by those opposing integration in the civil rights era is equivalent to me calling someone racist. Apparently, my Fairfax County education is failing me.

It seems like you are just trying to dismiss my argument by accusing me of saying something which was not said because you lack an actual argument. I am willing to entertain this position though, if you can properly explain.

DP. What? You call people racist and then have the gall to say that they are trying to dismiss your argument. What a wackadoodle.

I never called anyone racist. Just said the same arguments are being used between those begging for the boundary status quo and those fighting integration during the civil rights era. You havent even tried to show that statement is false. Try again. Calling someone a clown, whackadoodle, Sandy or any other belittling name is the sign of someone without a decent argument.

Calling everyone who wants consistency in their kids’ schools a racist is the reason that trump is in the White House. You don’t see it, but it’s true.

People like you always push this crap too far with your extremist agenda. It turns normal people off your cause.

Again, please explain how saying the arguments used here by the anti-boundary adjustment crowd are the same used by those opposing integration in the civil rights era is equivalent to me calling someone racist. Again, apparently, my Fairfax County education is failing me.

Again, it seems like you are just trying to dismiss my argument by accusing me of saying something which was not said because you lack an actual argument.

So, please explain how I have been calling anyone racist.

I am sorry you don't like being compared to the segregationists of Jim Crow. But, many of your arguments are the same.

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Not all constituents are against it. Just because YOU are and people of your ilk are doesn't means everyone is that selfish. The boundaries haven't changed in decades but the area has changed and grown significantly. Boundaries need to be changed unless you want some schools to have up to 40 students in a classroom within the next decade.

You do not realize how staffing works. Coates is in crisis now, but I am confident they do not have 40 students in a class.
When there is no solution outside of changing boundaries--as at Coates now, something needs to be done now. Not in two years.

Now, tell me what other schools are in crisis. I'll wait.

We had a teacher from Coates in our breakout session at the last boundary meeting and it was truly heart breaking to hear about the conditions. Obviously you see the % overcapacity and can tell its not great, but that doesn't give you the whole story. She mentioned that they have 9 1st grade classes and at least 6 classes in each grade. There are 20 trailers and they had to build a modular bathroom outside for all of those trailers to use and its not nearly big enough. They are converting closets into offices to max the use of space. The County should be absolutely prioritizing addressing Coates right now before they do anything else.

Why did they wait this long? I just checked the growth over the last three years. Plus at least 300. There is tons of new construction in that area and it is continuing.

This is malpractice on the part of the School Board. They could have at least taken out the portion on the other side of the DTR and put them in Huthicson.

I suspect that a good number of parents would object to being moved to Hutchinson. We have friends who bought in the nieghborhood and moved after kindergarten. The admin and teachers were wonderful but any kid who knew their letters, numbers, colors, shapes, and the like was ignored in K. First grade did not look promising. They moved to a different school with a lower FARMs percentage and were far happier with the results.

Can someone help me understand what "FARMs" means/stands for? Seen it used on here a lot, but never heard the term before.

Free and reduced meal kids aka poor, mostly minority, kids.

And aparently people think their special little snow flake can't learn when they are in the same class as them.

We are also a family that moved away from a high FARMS school because we weren't satisfied with the education our children were receiving. In a classroom with a huge non-English speaking population, you'd better believe they are teaching to the lowest demoninator and the average to above average kids get ignored.

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Not all constituents are against it. Just because YOU are and people of your ilk are doesn't means everyone is that selfish. The boundaries haven't changed in decades but the area has changed and grown significantly. Boundaries need to be changed unless you want some schools to have up to 40 students in a classroom within the next decade.

You do not realize how staffing works. Coates is in crisis now, but I am confident they do not have 40 students in a class.
When there is no solution outside of changing boundaries--as at Coates now, something needs to be done now. Not in two years.

Now, tell me what other schools are in crisis. I'll wait.

We had a teacher from Coates in our breakout session at the last boundary meeting and it was truly heart breaking to hear about the conditions. Obviously you see the % overcapacity and can tell its not great, but that doesn't give you the whole story. She mentioned that they have 9 1st grade classes and at least 6 classes in each grade. There are 20 trailers and they had to build a modular bathroom outside for all of those trailers to use and its not nearly big enough. They are converting closets into offices to max the use of space. The County should be absolutely prioritizing addressing Coates right now before they do anything else.

Why did they wait this long? I just checked the growth over the last three years. Plus at least 300. There is tons of new construction in that area and it is continuing.

This is malpractice on the part of the School Board. They could have at least taken out the portion on the other side of the DTR and put them in Huthicson.

I suspect that a good number of parents would object to being moved to Hutchinson. We have friends who bought in the nieghborhood and moved after kindergarten. The admin and teachers were wonderful but any kid who knew their letters, numbers, colors, shapes, and the like was ignored in K. First grade did not look promising. They moved to a different school with a lower FARMs percentage and were far happier with the results.

Can someone help me understand what "FARMs" means/stands for? Seen it used on here a lot, but never heard the term before.

Free and reduced meal kids aka poor, mostly minority, kids.

And aparently people think their special little snow flake can't learn when they are in the same class as them.

We are also a family that moved away from a high FARMS school because we weren't satisfied with the education our children were receiving. In a classroom with a huge non-English speaking population, you'd better believe they are teaching to the lowest demoninator and the average to above average kids get ignored.

Is fascinating to me that certain people can’t understand that we are going to do what’s best for our own kids. That’s why the comprehensive review is destined to fail

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Not all constituents are against it. Just because YOU are and people of your ilk are doesn't means everyone is that selfish. The boundaries haven't changed in decades but the area has changed and grown significantly. Boundaries need to be changed unless you want some schools to have up to 40 students in a classroom within the next decade.

You do not realize how staffing works. Coates is in crisis now, but I am confident they do not have 40 students in a class.
When there is no solution outside of changing boundaries--as at Coates now, something needs to be done now. Not in two years.

Now, tell me what other schools are in crisis. I'll wait.

We had a teacher from Coates in our breakout session at the last boundary meeting and it was truly heart breaking to hear about the conditions. Obviously you see the % overcapacity and can tell its not great, but that doesn't give you the whole story. She mentioned that they have 9 1st grade classes and at least 6 classes in each grade. There are 20 trailers and they had to build a modular bathroom outside for all of those trailers to use and its not nearly big enough. They are converting closets into offices to max the use of space. The County should be absolutely prioritizing addressing Coates right now before they do anything else.

Why did they wait this long? I just checked the growth over the last three years. Plus at least 300. There is tons of new construction in that area and it is continuing.

This is malpractice on the part of the School Board. They could have at least taken out the portion on the other side of the DTR and put them in Huthicson.

I suspect that a good number of parents would object to being moved to Hutchinson. We have friends who bought in the nieghborhood and moved after kindergarten. The admin and teachers were wonderful but any kid who knew their letters, numbers, colors, shapes, and the like was ignored in K. First grade did not look promising. They moved to a different school with a lower FARMs percentage and were far happier with the results.

Can someone help me understand what "FARMs" means/stands for? Seen it used on here a lot, but never heard the term before.

Free and reduced meal kids aka poor, mostly minority, kids.

And aparently people think their special little snow flake can't learn when they are in the same class as them.

People understand that FARMs families tend not to prioritize academics with their kids when they are toddlers and do not send their kids to preschool. High FARMs schools have more kids starting K who don't know their letters, sounds, numbers, shapes, colors or the like. Any child who has been exposed to the basic concepts is going to receive little attention because the emphasis, rightly so, is on teaching the kids who do not know these things. The kids who already know the basics have parents who are reading to them at home and probably playing math games. They will continue to learn, at home, but not at school. The reality is that those kids will get little to no attention in school, so no, the kids are not going to learn anything in a class where the vast majority of kids are starting with no academic background.

My friends thought that it would be fine because the admin and teachersat Hutchinson were amazing. It took one year for them to realize that all the stereotypes of how the kid who is ong rade level is treated at a Title 1 school were true. Their child brought books to school to read on theri own. Mom and Dad reviewed academic stuff at home. Their kid received no real instruction at school. So yeah, they moved. I have other friends who attended a different Title 1 school who did whatever they needed to do to get their kids into AAP because their kids were learning little to nothing in the classroom.

Poverty has many impacts on a family and academics is one of them. This is not exactly a new concept. You can mock people who do not want their kid to be the kid reading on their won and learning math from computer program while the teacher is teaching numbers and basic addition to kids who have never been exposed to the concepts before, but I get it. The kids can be lovely and the admin and teachers wonderful but a kid on grade level is going to be ignored.

OMG. The bolded is absolutely wrong. It's not a matter of prioritization, PP, it's a matter of parents not necessarily knowing English, not having money to send their child to preschool, and not knowing anything about the system. You are extremely privileged if you think it's a choice.

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Anonymous wrote:If nobody in the community wants to be re-zoned then it makes no sense to do it. Shouldn't the decision be driven by the tax payers who this most impacts? Seems logical to me. In this situation the school board is going against the ENTIRE community. Thats literally dictatorship.

The majority of boundary changes ever made by school systems are not popular. People do not like change.

There's a special brand of smugness among those who want a local school board to go against the will of their constituents.

Not all constituents are against it. Just because YOU are and people of your ilk are doesn't means everyone is that selfish. The boundaries haven't changed in decades but the area has changed and grown significantly. Boundaries need to be changed unless you want some schools to have up to 40 students in a classroom within the next decade.

By "people of your ilk" you mean parents, who should have the greatest voice in school issues.

Are the parents the only ones paying for it?

Rezoning is more expensive.

So yes, the parents' voices should carry the most weight in the rezoning process.

I disagree. No group should have an outsized weight.

Absolutely, parents whoukd have more weight than childless like Karl Frisch and the empty nesters trying to distupt the lives of other people's kids from neighborhoods in different towns, just to try to pad their housing value.

The primary voice in the process should be parents of school aged kids, and teachers.

Concur here, I don't really care about the Boomer's property values. Although I would add parents with little kids who aren't yet in school yet should have an equal voice as well. We've got a lot of young families in our neighborhood who had no idea what was going on because their kids weren't in school yet, so we've been doing our best to make sure they are informed and a lot are now getting engaged in the meetings/process.

And you did this because of your property value, don't lie.

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Anonymous wrote:If nobody in the community wants to be re-zoned then it makes no sense to do it. Shouldn't the decision be driven by the tax payers who this most impacts? Seems logical to me. In this situation the school board is going against the ENTIRE community. Thats literally dictatorship.

The majority of boundary changes ever made by school systems are not popular. People do not like change.

There's a special brand of smugness among those who want a local school board to go against the will of their constituents.

Not all constituents are against it. Just because YOU are and people of your ilk are doesn't means everyone is that selfish. The boundaries haven't changed in decades but the area has changed and grown significantly. Boundaries need to be changed unless you want some schools to have up to 40 students in a classroom within the next decade.

By "people of your ilk" you mean parents, who should have the greatest voice in school issues.

Are the parents the only ones paying for it?

Rezoning is more expensive.

So yes, the parents' voices should carry the most weight in the rezoning process.

I disagree. No group should have an outsized weight.

Absolutely, parents whoukd have more weight than childless like Karl Frisch and the empty nesters trying to distupt the lives of other people's kids from neighborhoods in different towns, just to try to pad their housing value.

The primary voice in the process should be parents of school aged kids, and teachers.

Concur here, I don't really care about the Boomer's property values. Although I would add parents with little kids who aren't yet in school yet should have an equal voice as well. We've got a lot of young families in our neighborhood who had no idea what was going on because their kids weren't in school yet, so we've been doing our best to make sure they are informed and a lot are now getting engaged in the meetings/process.

And you did this because of your property value, don't lie.

DP. Some people can be so dense. The prior poster posted about engaging families with young children, and then you ask a rhetorical question which shows zero reading comprehension.

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Anonymous wrote:If nobody in the community wants to be re-zoned then it makes no sense to do it. Shouldn't the decision be driven by the tax payers who this most impacts? Seems logical to me. In this situation the school board is going against the ENTIRE community. Thats literally dictatorship.

The majority of boundary changes ever made by school systems are not popular. People do not like change.

There's a special brand of smugness among those who want a local school board to go against the will of their constituents.

Not all constituents are against it. Just because YOU are and people of your ilk are doesn't means everyone is that selfish. The boundaries haven't changed in decades but the area has changed and grown significantly. Boundaries need to be changed unless you want some schools to have up to 40 students in a classroom within the next decade.

By "people of your ilk" you mean parents, who should have the greatest voice in school issues.

Are the parents the only ones paying for it?

Rezoning is more expensive.

So yes, the parents' voices should carry the most weight in the rezoning process.

I disagree. No group should have an outsized weight.

Absolutely, parents whoukd have more weight than childless like Karl Frisch and the empty nesters trying to distupt the lives of other people's kids from neighborhoods in different towns, just to try to pad their housing value.

The primary voice in the process should be parents of school aged kids, and teachers.

Concur here, I don't really care about the Boomer's property values. Although I would add parents with little kids who aren't yet in school yet should have an equal voice as well. We've got a lot of young families in our neighborhood who had no idea what was going on because their kids weren't in school yet, so we've been doing our best to make sure they are informed and a lot are now getting engaged in the meetings/process.

And you did this because of your property value, don't lie.

DP. Some people can be so dense. The prior poster posted about engaging families with young children, and then you ask a rhetorical question which shows zero reading comprehension.

It's called reading between the lines, sweetheart. The more people with young families they get engaged, the more protestors they get, the more likely it is that their homes stay in the same location, and their property values stay high. Obvs.

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Anonymous wrote:If nobody in the community wants to be re-zoned then it makes no sense to do it. Shouldn't the decision be driven by the tax payers who this most impacts? Seems logical to me. In this situation the school board is going against the ENTIRE community. Thats literally dictatorship.

The majority of boundary changes ever made by school systems are not popular. People do not like change.

There's a special brand of smugness among those who want a local school board to go against the will of their constituents.

Not all constituents are against it. Just because YOU are and people of your ilk are doesn't means everyone is that selfish. The boundaries haven't changed in decades but the area has changed and grown significantly. Boundaries need to be changed unless you want some schools to have up to 40 students in a classroom within the next decade.

By "people of your ilk" you mean parents, who should have the greatest voice in school issues.

Are the parents the only ones paying for it?

Rezoning is more expensive.

So yes, the parents' voices should carry the most weight in the rezoning process.

I disagree. No group should have an outsized weight.

Absolutely, parents whoukd have more weight than childless like Karl Frisch and the empty nesters trying to distupt the lives of other people's kids from neighborhoods in different towns, just to try to pad their housing value.

The primary voice in the process should be parents of school aged kids, and teachers.

Concur here, I don't really care about the Boomer's property values. Although I would add parents with little kids who aren't yet in school yet should have an equal voice as well. We've got a lot of young families in our neighborhood who had no idea what was going on because their kids weren't in school yet, so we've been doing our best to make sure they are informed and a lot are now getting engaged in the meetings/process.

And you did this because of your property value, don't lie.

DP. Some people can be so dense. The prior poster posted about engaging families with young children, and then you ask a rhetorical question which shows zero reading comprehension.

It's called reading between the lines, sweetheart. The more people with young families they get engaged, the more protestors they get, the more likely it is that their homes stay in the same location, and their property values stay high. Obvs.

Or, they care about their communities. But you already know that. You’re just desperately trying to bring people over to the SB’s side.

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DP. It’s unfortunate to see people again hurling allegations of Jim Crow-era thinking and SJW activism against each other.

Don’t let yourselves fall into the trap of being lab rats fighting in a cage. We’re in this situation because FCPS is too big and has been colossally mismanaged for years. They want your kids to atone for their incompetence, and if you’re at each other’s throats it plays right into their hands.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. It’s unfortunate to see people again hurling allegations of Jim Crow-era thinking and SJW activism against each other.

Don’t let yourselves fall into the trap of being lab rats fighting in a cage. We’re in this situation because FCPS is too big and has been colossally mismanaged for years. They want your kids to atone for their incompetence, and if you’re at each other’s throats it plays right into their hands.

Well, that and the fact that we imported thousands of poor students who don't speak English.

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I am sorry you don't like being compared to the segregationists of Jim Crow. But, many of your arguments are the same.

How are the arguments the same? Please explain.

Wanting to keep your kids in their current close school is the same as Jim Crow? Where did you learn history?

I'm upset that they want to split my neighborhood and send some of us thirty minutes away when the current school is ten minutes away. And, by the way, the school that is thirty minutes away has a much lower FARMS rate and a much lower non-English speaking population.

Where did you get this idea? Most of the posters on here just want their kids to stay put. What is wrong with that?
Thru's options are pretty poor. There is no understanding of our communities, schools, and neighborhoods.

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I am sorry you don't like being compared to the segregationists of Jim Crow. But, many of your arguments are the same.

How are the arguments the same? Please explain.

Wanting to keep your kids in their current close school is the same as Jim Crow? Where did you learn history?

I'm upset that they want to split my neighborhood and send some of us thirty minutes away when the current school is ten minutes away. And, by the way, the school that is thirty minutes away has a much lower FARMS rate and a much lower non-English speaking population.

Where did you get this idea? Most of the posters on here just want their kids to stay put. What is wrong with that?
Thru's options are pretty poor. There is no understanding of our communities, schools, and neighborhoods.

It is also quite ironic that the Jim Crow slurs came out in response to a post mentioning that South County zoned parents are upset about getting rezoned from their neighborhood school, which happens to have the 2nd highest percentage of African American students in all of FCPS, at roughly over 22%, with one of the smallest populations of white kids in the area, at 37%

People want to stay at their neighborhood schools.

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I am sorry you don't like being compared to the segregationists of Jim Crow. But, many of your arguments are the same.

How are the arguments the same? Please explain.

Wanting to keep your kids in their current close school is the same as Jim Crow? Where did you learn history?

I'm upset that they want to split my neighborhood and send some of us thirty minutes away when the current school is ten minutes away. And, by the way, the school that is thirty minutes away has a much lower FARMS rate and a much lower non-English speaking population.

Where did you get this idea? Most of the posters on here just want their kids to stay put. What is wrong with that?
Thru's options are pretty poor. There is no understanding of our communities, schools, and neighborhoods.

It is also quite ironic that the Jim Crow slurs came out in response to a post mentioning that South County zoned parents are upset about getting rezoned from their neighborhood school, which happens to have the 2nd highest percentage of African American students in all of FCPS, at roughly over 22%, with one of the smallest populations of white kids in the area, at 37%

People want to stay at their neighborhood schools.

DP. A 37% white enrollment at an FCPS high school is probably slightly above average now.