Difference between Trump/Boeing and Obama/Coal?

[Anonymous]

Obama hates coal and for profit education and has used the government to put them both out of business. Trump doesn't like overruns and off shoring, and goes after Boeing and Carrier. Is there a difference here? Yes, different industries and circumstances, but it's the same basic idea - if you are on the wrong end of the President's ideology, you are going to get hurt.

[Anonymous]

Really? You don't see the difference between the Obama administration passing regulations (subject to full due process, transparency, and appealable to the courts) and Trump retaliating against a single company because its executive stated views he didn't agree with? Seriously?

[Anonymous]

That you think Obama "went after coal" out of "ideology" should tell you all need to know"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Really? You don't see the difference between the Obama administration passing regulations (subject to full due process, transparency, and appealable to the courts) and Trump retaliating against a single company because its executive stated views he didn't agree with? Seriously?

No, I don't. Obama used Education Dept rules on loans to kill as many for profit colleges as possible. If Trump uses DoD procurement rules to save US jobs, I don't see how it's all that different.

[Anonymous]

Trumpp did not tweet about Boeing because of overruns and offshoring.

The Carrier deal may have been ideological, although that's arguable. The Boeing tweet is just awful -- no ideology, bad optics, and bad business.

[Anonymous]

Coal is a dying industry. There is no long-time future with coal. Everyone knows that. Time to invest in new industries, especially clean energy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trumpp did not tweet about Boeing because of overruns and offshoring.

The Carrier deal may have been ideological, although that's arguable. The Boeing tweet is just awful -- no ideology, bad optics, and bad business.

This is what draining the swamp looks like. Many sacred cows attacked, many 'experts' shocked. All this looks just fine from flyover country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Really? You don't see the difference between the Obama administration passing regulations (subject to full due process, transparency, and appealable to the courts) and Trump retaliating against a single company because its executive stated views he didn't agree with? Seriously?

No, I don't. Obama used Education Dept rules on loans to kill as many for profit colleges as possible. If Trump uses DoD procurement rules to save US jobs, I don't see how it's all that different.

For profit schools are evil, the whole lot of them. Big time scams handing out expensive but worthless degrees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trumpp did not tweet about Boeing because of overruns and offshoring.

The Carrier deal may have been ideological, although that's arguable. The Boeing tweet is just awful -- no ideology, bad optics, and bad business.

This is what draining the swamp looks like. Many sacred cows attacked, many 'experts' shocked. All this looks just fine from flyover country.

Was this sarcasm? Or serious? It's hard to tell lately.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Really? You don't see the difference between the Obama administration passing regulations (subject to full due process, transparency, and appealable to the courts) and Trump retaliating against a single company because its executive stated views he didn't agree with? Seriously?

No, I don't. Obama used Education Dept rules on loans to kill as many for profit colleges as possible. If Trump uses DoD procurement rules to save US jobs, I don't see how it's all that different.

For profit schools are evil, the whole lot of them. Big time scams handing out expensive but worthless degrees.

Can make the same argument about a lot of non-profit college degree programs as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Coal is a dying industry. There is no long-time future with coal. Everyone knows that. Time to invest in new industries, especially clean energy.

Yeah, screw those people and their communities out in KY and OH that mine coal. They can start building apps or drive for Uber or something.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Really? You don't see the difference between the Obama administration passing regulations (subject to full due process, transparency, and appealable to the courts) and Trump retaliating against a single company because its executive stated views he didn't agree with? Seriously?

No, I don't. Obama used Education Dept rules on loans to kill as many for profit colleges as possible. If Trump uses DoD procurement rules to save US jobs, I don't see how it's all that different.

If Trump uses actual procurement rules, subject to the rule of law and judicial review, motivated by an actual policy concern (as opposed to First Amendment retaliation), then yes, it's the same thing as Obama's actions. I would disagree with the substance, but there would not be a fundamental violation of rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coal is a dying industry. There is no long-time future with coal. Everyone knows that. Time to invest in new industries, especially clean energy.

Yeah, screw those people and their communities out in KY and OH that mine coal. They can start building apps or drive for Uber or something.

So, you'd prefer them to be stuck with $75k in student loans to the University of Phoenix in addition to having no jobs because there is no market for coal anymore. Great plan.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Really? You don't see the difference between the Obama administration passing regulations (subject to full due process, transparency, and appealable to the courts) and Trump retaliating against a single company because its executive stated views he didn't agree with? Seriously?

No, I don't. Obama used Education Dept rules on loans to kill as many for profit colleges as possible. If Trump uses DoD procurement rules to save US jobs, I don't see how it's all that different.

If Trump uses actual procurement rules, subject to the rule of law and judicial review, motivated by an actual policy concern (as opposed to First Amendment retaliation), then yes, it's the same thing as Obama's actions. I would disagree with the substance, but there would not be a fundamental violation of rights.

He's President-elect right now. All he has is a microphone and a Twitter account. Once he's President, these sentiments will become that old Obama favorite - "Executive Actions". if Obama can through executive action stop enforcing immigration laws, Trump can sure as heck cancel some procurement programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Obama hates coal and for profit education and has used the government to put them both out of business. Trump doesn't like overruns and off shoring, and goes after Boeing and Carrier. Is there a difference here? Yes, different industries and circumstances, but it's the same basic idea - if you are on the wrong end of the President's ideology, you are going to get hurt.

The fundamental difference is contained in your post. Obama enacted policies that impacted every business in a given sector and could be applied consistently and transparently. Trump is picking fights with individual companies while allowing all the rest of the businesses in those sectors continue business as usual or change their practices out of fear of arbitrary retribution from Trump. Free market conservatives should be disgusted with this approach. There is absolutely no way that competition can work if the President can simply change the rules of the game on a whim.