Who are you voting for in the Dem primary for mayor?

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Anonymous wrote:Regarding kids who don't speak English getting special consideration: last time I looked, most schools were taught in English. So if the kid doesn't speak English well by K, they will be behind, no matter how brilliant they might be in their native language. These kids will have lots of catching up to do so I don't think G&T would be the right place for them. Parents planning to raise their kids in America should immerse their kids in English. Have them sit and watch Sesame Street or something similar all day. Have them listen to Clyde Frazier call Knicks games. Cab drivers listen to the radio all day to learn English.

Kindergarten G&T is dumb. My kids took the test. They actually did really well on them. We are zoned for a great public and thought it was better than G&T. But unlike so many other parents whose kids do well on the test, I did not see this as proof that my snowflake was brilliant. My child also bombed the Hunter test.

I'm not sure what the right answer is. I really don't like Mamdani but don't totally disagree with him on this, though I think that getting rid of G&T should be a low priority for him and he should have just dodged the question as he dodges so many others.

These activists getting so upset about this because they think they are so smart are just showing how dumb they are, but most of them proved that long ago.

You are very wrong.

I am an immigrant, and my kids did not speak English well until they started K. They caught up super fast. Same story with many of my friends. In fact, I haven’t met a single normally developing child who was really bright in their native language and couldn’t quickly catch up to the same level in English. It’s NBD.

What is really hard, though, is keeping up the native language once the kid gets immersed in English, so it helps to get a good head start there, that’s why I did not emphasize English with my kids until they started school. As to the benefits of being bilingual, you are welcome to do your own research.

And they were likely behind socializing. Which is a huge part of what kindergarten is about. And they are less proficient in idioms, cultural references, etc. You are exactly the know-it-all immigrant the other poster was referring to above - your metrics for "succeeding" are very different than those of many native born Americans. But you are so convinced that you are right and the rules of your community are right, rather than stopping to look around.

Fluently speaking a second language is a very nice to have, but not a need to have. Native fluency in the language of where you live is more important. And again, I think we have different definitions of "native fluency."

Yea. If that poster’s five year old doesn’t listen to Taylor swift talk about Kelce’s junk inside of her then they missed out on socialization and cultural references. Good ole American values

I am just talking about knowing who Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce are. Way to oversimplify things. Further proving my point. You live your best life. I'll live mine. Then you will complain about your kid not getting into top schools because they didn't do well in interviews and essays and complain that it's not a meritocracy.

My sons went to MIT and Princeton and have had promising starts to their careers. I’m “FOTB” as another poster calls foreigners.

I’ve lost track of this issue but I seriously hope people are not stupid enough to vote against someone who is overwhelmingly a candidate who wants to work for people other than the billionaire class over a stupid gifted and talented school issue, especially for testing of 3/4 year olds. Seriously. Get a hold of yourselves. There are lots of good Gen Ed elementary schools. Use a friends address if you need to and move on.

Not PP: I've voted on G&T alone before. Everyone has specific issues that are important to them and are free to vote as they please. I'm sure you have based decisions to vote on issues that I think are asinine. G&T isn't a stupid issue, especially when you have a child reading at 3.5 yo. And yes, kids can be, and are already, being tested at that age in NYC.

If your kid is so smart move out of your outer borough immigrant-only community and move to D2 or D3 where there are lots of great zoned public schools. And contrary to popular opinion, there are plenty of affordable apartments in these areas or, as someone else noted, you can easily use a fake address, get your kid in, then they can't be removed. Not that hard. These schools are better than G&T. Also, despite being in allegedly wealthier neighborhoods they are super diverse, both ethnically and socioeconomically.

Also, reading at 3.5 doesn't make your snowflake brilliant. I have two kids. Older one was a late reader (and also a very late talker). Younger one started reading super early. Years later the older one is clearly a better student than the younger one - older one is extremely bright (4.0, high score on SHSAT, etc.), younger one is above average but behind older sibling at same age. Unlike you, I realized that early on so when everyone raved about how brilliant my early reader was I was humble and explained that there are lots of ways to measure intelligence. And I don't go around publicly advertising how smart my kids are.

Most importantly, both of my children are well-rounded individuals who can discuss sports (I don't get the sports haters in this thread - sorry you got picked last in recess as a kid), popular music, film, art, understand an off-color joke, are kind and respectful but can also be goofballs. When they get to college they will be able to have deep conversations with professors about esoteric academic topics then go off and have a blast at a fraternity/sorority party. They have very diverse friends and are comfortable in almost all situations. I am more proud of many of these characteristics than their high score on G&T when they were 4.

With you as a parent, I don’t believe the bolded.

And sorry you didn’t get invited to parties in HS. Your social status anxiety clearly still affects you a lot.

All anyone said is watching sports all weekend long (like tens of millions of Americans do) is a waste of time and he goes nuclear. Just another overweight middle American man who likes IPAs and thinks his children are a gift to the world.

No. You are rushing to extremes. There is a big difference between spending the entire weekend on the couch watching sports and spending some time watching so you have basic conversational knowledge and know Aaron Judge from LeBron James. It really isn't that hard. It is basic cultural literacy. No different than knowing the difference between Bach and Taylor Swift or Monet and Basquiat.

Again, feel free to stay in your isolated little world. But don't complain when your kid doesn't get into Ivies because of "intangibles."

I already said, my children went to Princeton and MIT. Knowing some illiterate like LeBron isn’t like knowing Bach and Monet. Please. Go back to twerking at the Swift concert

You are just making yourself look more dumb. It is really scary. Why do you need to insult people you know nothing about. While you sit at your keyboard raving over how brilliant your kids are and doing nothing constructive, LeBron has done incredible amounts of charity work including funding college educations for many kids. Perhaps you should listen to him speak - he is a very bright guy (despite only having a HS degree) - I'm guessing he speaks English better than you.

Here are some other examples - basketball hall of famer David Robinson was admitted to the Naval Academy without regard for his basketball skills and studied engineering there. Basketball hall of famer Bill Bradley played at Princeton (before Princeton gave admission preference for athletes) and was a Rhodes Scholar and US Senator. Heisman Trophy winner Byron White was on the Supreme Court. President Obama is an obsessive basketball fan. And so on. Yes, there are some moron athletes. But as shown here, there are plenty of moron non-athletes as well.

I'm sorry you and your family are missing out on some of the true joys of life. Your loss. But the reality is that you are welcome to not like it. But don't ignorantly insult those who do.

I'm sorry to others that this thread about politics has been sidetracked by an ignorant anti-American showcasing how little they know.

So how about that mayor's race?!?

His charities waste money on trying to get inner city kids to read when they will never, sort of like him. Just another meat puppet on tv

No one said athletes can’t be intelligent. Being a participant hasn’t been criticized. Fanboying and cranking the monkey like you to young men has been criticized. It’s one thing to say “maybe LeBron can read.” Saying he is highly intelligent is speaks better english than an anonymous poster with children in finance who went to good schools is another matter.

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Anonymous wrote:Regarding kids who don't speak English getting special consideration: last time I looked, most schools were taught in English. So if the kid doesn't speak English well by K, they will be behind, no matter how brilliant they might be in their native language. These kids will have lots of catching up to do so I don't think G&T would be the right place for them. Parents planning to raise their kids in America should immerse their kids in English. Have them sit and watch Sesame Street or something similar all day. Have them listen to Clyde Frazier call Knicks games. Cab drivers listen to the radio all day to learn English.

Kindergarten G&T is dumb. My kids took the test. They actually did really well on them. We are zoned for a great public and thought it was better than G&T. But unlike so many other parents whose kids do well on the test, I did not see this as proof that my snowflake was brilliant. My child also bombed the Hunter test.

I'm not sure what the right answer is. I really don't like Mamdani but don't totally disagree with him on this, though I think that getting rid of G&T should be a low priority for him and he should have just dodged the question as he dodges so many others.

These activists getting so upset about this because they think they are so smart are just showing how dumb they are, but most of them proved that long ago.

You are very wrong.

I am an immigrant, and my kids did not speak English well until they started K. They caught up super fast. Same story with many of my friends. In fact, I haven’t met a single normally developing child who was really bright in their native language and couldn’t quickly catch up to the same level in English. It’s NBD.

What is really hard, though, is keeping up the native language once the kid gets immersed in English, so it helps to get a good head start there, that’s why I did not emphasize English with my kids until they started school. As to the benefits of being bilingual, you are welcome to do your own research.

And they were likely behind socializing. Which is a huge part of what kindergarten is about. And they are less proficient in idioms, cultural references, etc. You are exactly the know-it-all immigrant the other poster was referring to above - your metrics for "succeeding" are very different than those of many native born Americans. But you are so convinced that you are right and the rules of your community are right, rather than stopping to look around.

Fluently speaking a second language is a very nice to have, but not a need to have. Native fluency in the language of where you live is more important. And again, I think we have different definitions of "native fluency."

Yea. If that poster’s five year old doesn’t listen to Taylor swift talk about Kelce’s junk inside of her then they missed out on socialization and cultural references. Good ole American values

I am just talking about knowing who Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce are. Way to oversimplify things. Further proving my point. You live your best life. I'll live mine. Then you will complain about your kid not getting into top schools because they didn't do well in interviews and essays and complain that it's not a meritocracy.

My sons went to MIT and Princeton and have had promising starts to their careers. I’m “FOTB” as another poster calls foreigners.

I’ve lost track of this issue but I seriously hope people are not stupid enough to vote against someone who is overwhelmingly a candidate who wants to work for people other than the billionaire class over a stupid gifted and talented school issue, especially for testing of 3/4 year olds. Seriously. Get a hold of yourselves. There are lots of good Gen Ed elementary schools. Use a friends address if you need to and move on.

Not PP: I've voted on G&T alone before. Everyone has specific issues that are important to them and are free to vote as they please. I'm sure you have based decisions to vote on issues that I think are asinine. G&T isn't a stupid issue, especially when you have a child reading at 3.5 yo. And yes, kids can be, and are already, being tested at that age in NYC.

If your kid is so smart move out of your outer borough immigrant-only community and move to D2 or D3 where there are lots of great zoned public schools. And contrary to popular opinion, there are plenty of affordable apartments in these areas or, as someone else noted, you can easily use a fake address, get your kid in, then they can't be removed. Not that hard. These schools are better than G&T. Also, despite being in allegedly wealthier neighborhoods they are super diverse, both ethnically and socioeconomically.

Also, reading at 3.5 doesn't make your snowflake brilliant. I have two kids. Older one was a late reader (and also a very late talker). Younger one started reading super early. Years later the older one is clearly a better student than the younger one - older one is extremely bright (4.0, high score on SHSAT, etc.), younger one is above average but behind older sibling at same age. Unlike you, I realized that early on so when everyone raved about how brilliant my early reader was I was humble and explained that there are lots of ways to measure intelligence. And I don't go around publicly advertising how smart my kids are.

Most importantly, both of my children are well-rounded individuals who can discuss sports (I don't get the sports haters in this thread - sorry you got picked last in recess as a kid), popular music, film, art, understand an off-color joke, are kind and respectful but can also be goofballs. When they get to college they will be able to have deep conversations with professors about esoteric academic topics then go off and have a blast at a fraternity/sorority party. They have very diverse friends and are comfortable in almost all situations. I am more proud of many of these characteristics than their high score on G&T when they were 4.

With you as a parent, I don’t believe the bolded.

And sorry you didn’t get invited to parties in HS. Your social status anxiety clearly still affects you a lot.

All anyone said is watching sports all weekend long (like tens of millions of Americans do) is a waste of time and he goes nuclear. Just another overweight middle American man who likes IPAs and thinks his children are a gift to the world.

No. You are rushing to extremes. There is a big difference between spending the entire weekend on the couch watching sports and spending some time watching so you have basic conversational knowledge and know Aaron Judge from LeBron James. It really isn't that hard. It is basic cultural literacy. No different than knowing the difference between Bach and Taylor Swift or Monet and Basquiat.

Again, feel free to stay in your isolated little world. But don't complain when your kid doesn't get into Ivies because of "intangibles."

You reminded me of a story from my childhood. I came from a decently educated but poor family (the reality of the country where I grew up). We once visited a distant relative of ours who was much more affluent and she showed my mom her closet with several wool coats in it. My mom was astonished at that opulence and asked why one might need multiple wool coats. To which my relative answered: “You’ll never understand, it’s a sign of being cultured!”

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Anonymous wrote:"Free stuff funded by billionaires" literally who has a problem with that other than (some) billionaires?

Common sense people who know that top 1% of NY tax payers already pay 46.3% of income tax.

Mamdani might want to chat to the Mayor of Chicago and ask him what happened to city finances after one of the largest tax payers - Ken Griffin - had moved to Miami. Spoiler: things didn't go well. Socialism only works until you run out of other people's money and it doesn't take long.

Yup. The anti-rich obsessed people are so dumb. I am not opposed to making the rich pay a bit more. But treating them like the enemy and really jacking up their tax rates is not a good idea. They pay a ton of taxes and create a lot of jobs.

All of these idiots are going to get exactly what they wished for and then when the city is awful they won't know what to do.

And to the G&T obsessed. How about working to make your neighborhood school great. Put in the time and effort. If you can convince all of the parents in your neighborhood to be as committed to academic excellence as you claim to be, the school will rise to that level. It doesn't need a label to be excellent. Otherwise move.

Be right back. I’m going to convince Jamal to make the school better. He should volunteer between his fentanyl dealing shifts. He hasn’t seen his son in eight years but now is the time to STEP UP for the neighborhood school to show it to the Asians who use G&T

Holy racist, Batman.

How about if all of the Russian families in Brighton Beach or all of the Chinese families in Chinatown or whatever else commit to making their neighborhood zoned elementary school great. A friend of mine in another city lives in an up and coming neighborhood. Families started committing to sending their kids to the previously awful local public schools (run by the large city) and spending time and money (primarily time) to make them great. They are now much better schools that have become highly desirable, with the local previously average local high school now sending many kids to top colleges.

It's not easy but if people spent more time doing this than posting on message boards, going to PLACE meetings and generally whining perhaps they can make it work. A school can be a naturally occurring G&T program without being labeled as one. This is effectively what happens at top zoned schools in D2, D3 and other neighborhoods. PS6 is better than most G&T. And it isn't all rich kids - the joke is that half the kids there are the kids of building supers for buildings where the actual residents go to private.

In case you are asking your question sincerely, in order for what you describe to happen, in addition to sending the kids to the local school (which btw majority in Brighton Beach and Flushing do), the families need to demand and receive accountability from teachers and administrators. You need a certain level of social capital for that, otherwise all you get back is “you stupid immigrants don’t understand the American ways” as this thread amply demonstrates.

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Anonymous wrote:Regarding kids who don't speak English getting special consideration: last time I looked, most schools were taught in English. So if the kid doesn't speak English well by K, they will be behind, no matter how brilliant they might be in their native language. These kids will have lots of catching up to do so I don't think G&T would be the right place for them. Parents planning to raise their kids in America should immerse their kids in English. Have them sit and watch Sesame Street or something similar all day. Have them listen to Clyde Frazier call Knicks games. Cab drivers listen to the radio all day to learn English.

Kindergarten G&T is dumb. My kids took the test. They actually did really well on them. We are zoned for a great public and thought it was better than G&T. But unlike so many other parents whose kids do well on the test, I did not see this as proof that my snowflake was brilliant. My child also bombed the Hunter test.

I'm not sure what the right answer is. I really don't like Mamdani but don't totally disagree with him on this, though I think that getting rid of G&T should be a low priority for him and he should have just dodged the question as he dodges so many others.

These activists getting so upset about this because they think they are so smart are just showing how dumb they are, but most of them proved that long ago.

You are very wrong.

I am an immigrant, and my kids did not speak English well until they started K. They caught up super fast. Same story with many of my friends. In fact, I haven’t met a single normally developing child who was really bright in their native language and couldn’t quickly catch up to the same level in English. It’s NBD.

What is really hard, though, is keeping up the native language once the kid gets immersed in English, so it helps to get a good head start there, that’s why I did not emphasize English with my kids until they started school. As to the benefits of being bilingual, you are welcome to do your own research.

And they were likely behind socializing. Which is a huge part of what kindergarten is about. And they are less proficient in idioms, cultural references, etc. You are exactly the know-it-all immigrant the other poster was referring to above - your metrics for "succeeding" are very different than those of many native born Americans. But you are so convinced that you are right and the rules of your community are right, rather than stopping to look around.

Fluently speaking a second language is a very nice to have, but not a need to have. Native fluency in the language of where you live is more important. And again, I think we have different definitions of "native fluency."

Yea. If that poster’s five year old doesn’t listen to Taylor swift talk about Kelce’s junk inside of her then they missed out on socialization and cultural references. Good ole American values

I am just talking about knowing who Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce are. Way to oversimplify things. Further proving my point. You live your best life. I'll live mine. Then you will complain about your kid not getting into top schools because they didn't do well in interviews and essays and complain that it's not a meritocracy.

My sons went to MIT and Princeton and have had promising starts to their careers. I’m “FOTB” as another poster calls foreigners.

I’ve lost track of this issue but I seriously hope people are not stupid enough to vote against someone who is overwhelmingly a candidate who wants to work for people other than the billionaire class over a stupid gifted and talented school issue, especially for testing of 3/4 year olds. Seriously. Get a hold of yourselves. There are lots of good Gen Ed elementary schools. Use a friends address if you need to and move on.

Not PP: I've voted on G&T alone before. Everyone has specific issues that are important to them and are free to vote as they please. I'm sure you have based decisions to vote on issues that I think are asinine. G&T isn't a stupid issue, especially when you have a child reading at 3.5 yo. And yes, kids can be, and are already, being tested at that age in NYC.

If your kid is so smart move out of your outer borough immigrant-only community and move to D2 or D3 where there are lots of great zoned public schools. And contrary to popular opinion, there are plenty of affordable apartments in these areas or, as someone else noted, you can easily use a fake address, get your kid in, then they can't be removed. Not that hard. These schools are better than G&T. Also, despite being in allegedly wealthier neighborhoods they are super diverse, both ethnically and socioeconomically.

Also, reading at 3.5 doesn't make your snowflake brilliant. I have two kids. Older one was a late reader (and also a very late talker). Younger one started reading super early. Years later the older one is clearly a better student than the younger one - older one is extremely bright (4.0, high score on SHSAT, etc.), younger one is above average but behind older sibling at same age. Unlike you, I realized that early on so when everyone raved about how brilliant my early reader was I was humble and explained that there are lots of ways to measure intelligence. And I don't go around publicly advertising how smart my kids are.

Most importantly, both of my children are well-rounded individuals who can discuss sports (I don't get the sports haters in this thread - sorry you got picked last in recess as a kid), popular music, film, art, understand an off-color joke, are kind and respectful but can also be goofballs. When they get to college they will be able to have deep conversations with professors about esoteric academic topics then go off and have a blast at a fraternity/sorority party. They have very diverse friends and are comfortable in almost all situations. I am more proud of many of these characteristics than their high score on G&T when they were 4.

With you as a parent, I don’t believe the bolded.

And sorry you didn’t get invited to parties in HS. Your social status anxiety clearly still affects you a lot.

All anyone said is watching sports all weekend long (like tens of millions of Americans do) is a waste of time and he goes nuclear. Just another overweight middle American man who likes IPAs and thinks his children are a gift to the world.

No. You are rushing to extremes. There is a big difference between spending the entire weekend on the couch watching sports and spending some time watching so you have basic conversational knowledge and know Aaron Judge from LeBron James. It really isn't that hard. It is basic cultural literacy. No different than knowing the difference between Bach and Taylor Swift or Monet and Basquiat.

Again, feel free to stay in your isolated little world. But don't complain when your kid doesn't get into Ivies because of "intangibles."

You reminded me of a story from my childhood. I came from a decently educated but poor family (the reality of the country where I grew up). We once visited a distant relative of ours who was much more affluent and she showed my mom her closet with several wool coats in it. My mom was astonished at that opulence and asked why one might need multiple wool coats. To which my relative answered: “You’ll never understand, it’s a sign of being cultured!”

Sounds like your nuclear and extended family suck

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Anonymous wrote:"Free stuff funded by billionaires" literally who has a problem with that other than (some) billionaires?

Common sense people who know that top 1% of NY tax payers already pay 46.3% of income tax.

Mamdani might want to chat to the Mayor of Chicago and ask him what happened to city finances after one of the largest tax payers - Ken Griffin - had moved to Miami. Spoiler: things didn't go well. Socialism only works until you run out of other people's money and it doesn't take long.

Yup. The anti-rich obsessed people are so dumb. I am not opposed to making the rich pay a bit more. But treating them like the enemy and really jacking up their tax rates is not a good idea. They pay a ton of taxes and create a lot of jobs.

All of these idiots are going to get exactly what they wished for and then when the city is awful they won't know what to do.

And to the G&T obsessed. How about working to make your neighborhood school great. Put in the time and effort. If you can convince all of the parents in your neighborhood to be as committed to academic excellence as you claim to be, the school will rise to that level. It doesn't need a label to be excellent. Otherwise move.

Be right back. I’m going to convince Jamal to make the school better. He should volunteer between his fentanyl dealing shifts. He hasn’t seen his son in eight years but now is the time to STEP UP for the neighborhood school to show it to the Asians who use G&T

Holy racist, Batman.

How about if all of the Russian families in Brighton Beach or all of the Chinese families in Chinatown or whatever else commit to making their neighborhood zoned elementary school great. A friend of mine in another city lives in an up and coming neighborhood. Families started committing to sending their kids to the previously awful local public schools (run by the large city) and spending time and money (primarily time) to make them great. They are now much better schools that have become highly desirable, with the local previously average local high school now sending many kids to top colleges.

It's not easy but if people spent more time doing this than posting on message boards, going to PLACE meetings and generally whining perhaps they can make it work. A school can be a naturally occurring G&T program without being labeled as one. This is effectively what happens at top zoned schools in D2, D3 and other neighborhoods. PS6 is better than most G&T. And it isn't all rich kids - the joke is that half the kids there are the kids of building supers for buildings where the actual residents go to private.

In case you are asking your question sincerely, in order for what you describe to happen, in addition to sending the kids to the local school (which btw majority in Brighton Beach and Flushing do), the families need to demand and receive accountability from teachers and administrators. You need a certain level of social capital for that, otherwise all you get back is “you stupid immigrants don’t understand the American ways” as this thread amply demonstrates.

To that previous poster who mentioned the Chinese families: send your own kid to a school that is majority Hispanic and black. Then come back and let us know your thoughts on G&T.

P.S. PS 6 is a meme school for rich people to go K-8 and feel good about how charitable they are before going to Horace Mann.

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Anonymous wrote:Regarding kids who don't speak English getting special consideration: last time I looked, most schools were taught in English. So if the kid doesn't speak English well by K, they will be behind, no matter how brilliant they might be in their native language. These kids will have lots of catching up to do so I don't think G&T would be the right place for them. Parents planning to raise their kids in America should immerse their kids in English. Have them sit and watch Sesame Street or something similar all day. Have them listen to Clyde Frazier call Knicks games. Cab drivers listen to the radio all day to learn English.

Kindergarten G&T is dumb. My kids took the test. They actually did really well on them. We are zoned for a great public and thought it was better than G&T. But unlike so many other parents whose kids do well on the test, I did not see this as proof that my snowflake was brilliant. My child also bombed the Hunter test.

I'm not sure what the right answer is. I really don't like Mamdani but don't totally disagree with him on this, though I think that getting rid of G&T should be a low priority for him and he should have just dodged the question as he dodges so many others.

These activists getting so upset about this because they think they are so smart are just showing how dumb they are, but most of them proved that long ago.

You are very wrong.

I am an immigrant, and my kids did not speak English well until they started K. They caught up super fast. Same story with many of my friends. In fact, I haven’t met a single normally developing child who was really bright in their native language and couldn’t quickly catch up to the same level in English. It’s NBD.

What is really hard, though, is keeping up the native language once the kid gets immersed in English, so it helps to get a good head start there, that’s why I did not emphasize English with my kids until they started school. As to the benefits of being bilingual, you are welcome to do your own research.

And they were likely behind socializing. Which is a huge part of what kindergarten is about. And they are less proficient in idioms, cultural references, etc. You are exactly the know-it-all immigrant the other poster was referring to above - your metrics for "succeeding" are very different than those of many native born Americans. But you are so convinced that you are right and the rules of your community are right, rather than stopping to look around.

Fluently speaking a second language is a very nice to have, but not a need to have. Native fluency in the language of where you live is more important. And again, I think we have different definitions of "native fluency."

Yea. If that poster’s five year old doesn’t listen to Taylor swift talk about Kelce’s junk inside of her then they missed out on socialization and cultural references. Good ole American values

I am just talking about knowing who Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce are. Way to oversimplify things. Further proving my point. You live your best life. I'll live mine. Then you will complain about your kid not getting into top schools because they didn't do well in interviews and essays and complain that it's not a meritocracy.

My sons went to MIT and Princeton and have had promising starts to their careers. I’m “FOTB” as another poster calls foreigners.

I’ve lost track of this issue but I seriously hope people are not stupid enough to vote against someone who is overwhelmingly a candidate who wants to work for people other than the billionaire class over a stupid gifted and talented school issue, especially for testing of 3/4 year olds. Seriously. Get a hold of yourselves. There are lots of good Gen Ed elementary schools. Use a friends address if you need to and move on.

Not PP: I've voted on G&T alone before. Everyone has specific issues that are important to them and are free to vote as they please. I'm sure you have based decisions to vote on issues that I think are asinine. G&T isn't a stupid issue, especially when you have a child reading at 3.5 yo. And yes, kids can be, and are already, being tested at that age in NYC.

If your kid is so smart move out of your outer borough immigrant-only community and move to D2 or D3 where there are lots of great zoned public schools. And contrary to popular opinion, there are plenty of affordable apartments in these areas or, as someone else noted, you can easily use a fake address, get your kid in, then they can't be removed. Not that hard. These schools are better than G&T. Also, despite being in allegedly wealthier neighborhoods they are super diverse, both ethnically and socioeconomically.

Also, reading at 3.5 doesn't make your snowflake brilliant. I have two kids. Older one was a late reader (and also a very late talker). Younger one started reading super early. Years later the older one is clearly a better student than the younger one - older one is extremely bright (4.0, high score on SHSAT, etc.), younger one is above average but behind older sibling at same age. Unlike you, I realized that early on so when everyone raved about how brilliant my early reader was I was humble and explained that there are lots of ways to measure intelligence. And I don't go around publicly advertising how smart my kids are.

Most importantly, both of my children are well-rounded individuals who can discuss sports (I don't get the sports haters in this thread - sorry you got picked last in recess as a kid), popular music, film, art, understand an off-color joke, are kind and respectful but can also be goofballs. When they get to college they will be able to have deep conversations with professors about esoteric academic topics then go off and have a blast at a fraternity/sorority party. They have very diverse friends and are comfortable in almost all situations. I am more proud of many of these characteristics than their high score on G&T when they were 4.

With you as a parent, I don’t believe the bolded.

And sorry you didn’t get invited to parties in HS. Your social status anxiety clearly still affects you a lot.

All anyone said is watching sports all weekend long (like tens of millions of Americans do) is a waste of time and he goes nuclear. Just another overweight middle American man who likes IPAs and thinks his children are a gift to the world.

No. You are rushing to extremes. There is a big difference between spending the entire weekend on the couch watching sports and spending some time watching so you have basic conversational knowledge and know Aaron Judge from LeBron James. It really isn't that hard. It is basic cultural literacy. No different than knowing the difference between Bach and Taylor Swift or Monet and Basquiat.

Again, feel free to stay in your isolated little world. But don't complain when your kid doesn't get into Ivies because of "intangibles."

You reminded me of a story from my childhood. I came from a decently educated but poor family (the reality of the country where I grew up). We once visited a distant relative of ours who was much more affluent and she showed my mom her closet with several wool coats in it. My mom was astonished at that opulence and asked why one might need multiple wool coats. To which my relative answered: “You’ll never understand, it’s a sign of being cultured!”

Sounds like your nuclear and extended family suck

Sounds like you lack both EQ and a sense of humor.

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The low class ignorance being showcased here is off the charts. Wow. Proving once again why so many book smart people don't get into top schools - the admissions people can pick you out a mile away. Think you know everything about everything but don't actually have any clue how the game is played. And you sit there making up fake narratives about the people a generation or two ahead of you who you don't understand, rather than shutting your mouths, opening your minds and learning.

We deserve the awful mayor we are going to get. Because all of the idiots believed his promises and have no idea how government works.

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Anonymous wrote:The low class ignorance being showcased here is off the charts. Wow. Proving once again why so many book smart people don't get into top schools - the admissions people can pick you out a mile away. Think you know everything about everything but don't actually have any clue how the game is played. And you sit there making up fake narratives about the people a generation or two ahead of you who you don't understand, rather than shutting your mouths, opening your minds and learning.

We deserve the awful mayor we are going to get. Because all of the idiots believed his promises and have no idea how government works.

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The direct attacks on Russians and Chinese Americans here are disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:Regarding kids who don't speak English getting special consideration: last time I looked, most schools were taught in English. So if the kid doesn't speak English well by K, they will be behind, no matter how brilliant they might be in their native language. These kids will have lots of catching up to do so I don't think G&T would be the right place for them. Parents planning to raise their kids in America should immerse their kids in English. Have them sit and watch Sesame Street or something similar all day. Have them listen to Clyde Frazier call Knicks games. Cab drivers listen to the radio all day to learn English.

Kindergarten G&T is dumb. My kids took the test. They actually did really well on them. We are zoned for a great public and thought it was better than G&T. But unlike so many other parents whose kids do well on the test, I did not see this as proof that my snowflake was brilliant. My child also bombed the Hunter test.

I'm not sure what the right answer is. I really don't like Mamdani but don't totally disagree with him on this, though I think that getting rid of G&T should be a low priority for him and he should have just dodged the question as he dodges so many others.

These activists getting so upset about this because they think they are so smart are just showing how dumb they are, but most of them proved that long ago.

You are very wrong.

I am an immigrant, and my kids did not speak English well until they started K. They caught up super fast. Same story with many of my friends. In fact, I haven’t met a single normally developing child who was really bright in their native language and couldn’t quickly catch up to the same level in English. It’s NBD.

What is really hard, though, is keeping up the native language once the kid gets immersed in English, so it helps to get a good head start there, that’s why I did not emphasize English with my kids until they started school. As to the benefits of being bilingual, you are welcome to do your own research.

And they were likely behind socializing. Which is a huge part of what kindergarten is about. And they are less proficient in idioms, cultural references, etc. You are exactly the know-it-all immigrant the other poster was referring to above - your metrics for "succeeding" are very different than those of many native born Americans. But you are so convinced that you are right and the rules of your community are right, rather than stopping to look around.

Fluently speaking a second language is a very nice to have, but not a need to have. Native fluency in the language of where you live is more important. And again, I think we have different definitions of "native fluency."

Yea. If that poster’s five year old doesn’t listen to Taylor swift talk about Kelce’s junk inside of her then they missed out on socialization and cultural references. Good ole American values

I am just talking about knowing who Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce are. Way to oversimplify things. Further proving my point. You live your best life. I'll live mine. Then you will complain about your kid not getting into top schools because they didn't do well in interviews and essays and complain that it's not a meritocracy.

My sons went to MIT and Princeton and have had promising starts to their careers. I’m “FOTB” as another poster calls foreigners.

I’ve lost track of this issue but I seriously hope people are not stupid enough to vote against someone who is overwhelmingly a candidate who wants to work for people other than the billionaire class over a stupid gifted and talented school issue, especially for testing of 3/4 year olds. Seriously. Get a hold of yourselves. There are lots of good Gen Ed elementary schools. Use a friends address if you need to and move on.

Not PP: I've voted on G&T alone before. Everyone has specific issues that are important to them and are free to vote as they please. I'm sure you have based decisions to vote on issues that I think are asinine. G&T isn't a stupid issue, especially when you have a child reading at 3.5 yo. And yes, kids can be, and are already, being tested at that age in NYC.

Yes, I’m aware. I had multiple kids go through the NYC school system. You do not need to test at that age. Get over it. There are plenty of good gen Ed’s. Supplement if you need to (and I found most FOB did- fine by me) and be prepared for other kids to quickly catch up to your ‘gifted’ 3 year old.

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Anonymous wrote:The low class ignorance being showcased here is off the charts. Wow. Proving once again why so many book smart people don't get into top schools - the admissions people can pick you out a mile away. Think you know everything about everything but don't actually have any clue how the game is played. And you sit there making up fake narratives about the people a generation or two ahead of you who you don't understand, rather than shutting your mouths, opening your minds and learning.

We deserve the awful mayor we are going to get. Because all of the idiots believed his promises and have no idea how government works.

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The direct attacks on Russians and Chinese Americans here are disgusting.

I haven't seen them being attacked. I saw them being celebrated for their commitment to education. But you be you.

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Anonymous wrote:Regarding kids who don't speak English getting special consideration: last time I looked, most schools were taught in English. So if the kid doesn't speak English well by K, they will be behind, no matter how brilliant they might be in their native language. These kids will have lots of catching up to do so I don't think G&T would be the right place for them. Parents planning to raise their kids in America should immerse their kids in English. Have them sit and watch Sesame Street or something similar all day. Have them listen to Clyde Frazier call Knicks games. Cab drivers listen to the radio all day to learn English.

Kindergarten G&T is dumb. My kids took the test. They actually did really well on them. We are zoned for a great public and thought it was better than G&T. But unlike so many other parents whose kids do well on the test, I did not see this as proof that my snowflake was brilliant. My child also bombed the Hunter test.

I'm not sure what the right answer is. I really don't like Mamdani but don't totally disagree with him on this, though I think that getting rid of G&T should be a low priority for him and he should have just dodged the question as he dodges so many others.

These activists getting so upset about this because they think they are so smart are just showing how dumb they are, but most of them proved that long ago.

You are very wrong.

I am an immigrant, and my kids did not speak English well until they started K. They caught up super fast. Same story with many of my friends. In fact, I haven’t met a single normally developing child who was really bright in their native language and couldn’t quickly catch up to the same level in English. It’s NBD.

What is really hard, though, is keeping up the native language once the kid gets immersed in English, so it helps to get a good head start there, that’s why I did not emphasize English with my kids until they started school. As to the benefits of being bilingual, you are welcome to do your own research.

And they were likely behind socializing. Which is a huge part of what kindergarten is about. And they are less proficient in idioms, cultural references, etc. You are exactly the know-it-all immigrant the other poster was referring to above - your metrics for "succeeding" are very different than those of many native born Americans. But you are so convinced that you are right and the rules of your community are right, rather than stopping to look around.

Fluently speaking a second language is a very nice to have, but not a need to have. Native fluency in the language of where you live is more important. And again, I think we have different definitions of "native fluency."

Yea. If that poster’s five year old doesn’t listen to Taylor swift talk about Kelce’s junk inside of her then they missed out on socialization and cultural references. Good ole American values

I am just talking about knowing who Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce are. Way to oversimplify things. Further proving my point. You live your best life. I'll live mine. Then you will complain about your kid not getting into top schools because they didn't do well in interviews and essays and complain that it's not a meritocracy.

My sons went to MIT and Princeton and have had promising starts to their careers. I’m “FOTB” as another poster calls foreigners.

I’ve lost track of this issue but I seriously hope people are not stupid enough to vote against someone who is overwhelmingly a candidate who wants to work for people other than the billionaire class over a stupid gifted and talented school issue, especially for testing of 3/4 year olds. Seriously. Get a hold of yourselves. There are lots of good Gen Ed elementary schools. Use a friends address if you need to and move on.

Not PP: I've voted on G&T alone before. Everyone has specific issues that are important to them and are free to vote as they please. I'm sure you have based decisions to vote on issues that I think are asinine. G&T isn't a stupid issue, especially when you have a child reading at 3.5 yo. And yes, kids can be, and are already, being tested at that age in NYC.

Yes, I’m aware. I had multiple kids go through the NYC school system. You do not need to test at that age. Get over it. There are plenty of good gen Ed’s. Supplement if you need to (and I found most FOB did- fine by me) and be prepared for other kids to quickly catch up to your ‘gifted’ 3 year old.

Nah to each their own. Too many pregnant 12 year olds with felon dropout baby daddys in the gen ed schools. Lots of 48 year old great great grandmothers (more common than not)

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Anonymous wrote:The low class ignorance being showcased here is off the charts. Wow. Proving once again why so many book smart people don't get into top schools - the admissions people can pick you out a mile away. Think you know everything about everything but don't actually have any clue how the game is played. And you sit there making up fake narratives about the people a generation or two ahead of you who you don't understand, rather than shutting your mouths, opening your minds and learning.

We deserve the awful mayor we are going to get. Because all of the idiots believed his promises and have no idea how government works.

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The direct attacks on Russians and Chinese Americans here are disgusting.

I haven't seen them being attacked. I saw them being celebrated for their commitment to education. But you be you.

Posters repeatedly call them ignorant, having personality defects, say their children will be unsuccessful (all sociological research to the contrary), unassimilated, and harshly criticize their decision to avoid Gen Ed schools. They aren’t your community or your children, there’s no need to be that harsh. If they want to go their own way and have their own successful school then so be it. Surely, blacks can use the well funded nyc public school system to have a top notch school.

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Anonymous wrote:The low class ignorance being showcased here is off the charts. Wow. Proving once again why so many book smart people don't get into top schools - the admissions people can pick you out a mile away. Think you know everything about everything but don't actually have any clue how the game is played. And you sit there making up fake narratives about the people a generation or two ahead of you who you don't understand, rather than shutting your mouths, opening your minds and learning.

We deserve the awful mayor we are going to get. Because all of the idiots believed his promises and have no idea how government works.

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The direct attacks on Russians and Chinese Americans here are disgusting.

The only way they are being attacked is some people are indirectly commenting on their unwillingness to assimilate. You can't have it both ways. There are many people (including many from those groups) who have succeeded at assimilating to mainstream America (and no, I'm not referring to gangsta rap and watching sports all day) and also holding onto their heritage. But if you want to refuse to do that and act like your way is the best and the established way is wrong, good luck to you. It will be a lot harder to become an MD at a major bank, partner at a top PE firm, partner at a big law firm, etc. And I'm sure you can cite example of those who did this. But they are very few and far between. Just stop complaining. And no, this isn't racist. It is reality. I'm trying to be helpful. And celebrating those who have succeeded at proudly maintaining their wonderful heritages while also blending into the country where they now live.

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I think there are several people arguing both sides here so people are talking past each other. And a new, truly nasty, racist person has entered the conversation and really made it deteriorate. I think we can all agree on that.

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Anonymous wrote:The low class ignorance being showcased here is off the charts. Wow. Proving once again why so many book smart people don't get into top schools - the admissions people can pick you out a mile away. Think you know everything about everything but don't actually have any clue how the game is played. And you sit there making up fake narratives about the people a generation or two ahead of you who you don't understand, rather than shutting your mouths, opening your minds and learning.

We deserve the awful mayor we are going to get. Because all of the idiots believed his promises and have no idea how government works.

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The direct attacks on Russians and Chinese Americans here are disgusting.

The only way they are being attacked is some people are indirectly commenting on their unwillingness to assimilate. You can't have it both ways. There are many people (including many from those groups) who have succeeded at assimilating to mainstream America (and no, I'm not referring to gangsta rap and watching sports all day) and also holding onto their heritage. But if you want to refuse to do that and act like your way is the best and the established way is wrong, good luck to you. It will be a lot harder to become an MD at a major bank, partner at a top PE firm, partner at a big law firm, etc. And I'm sure you can cite example of those who did this. But they are very few and far between. Just stop complaining. And no, this isn't racist. It is reality. I'm trying to be helpful. And celebrating those who have succeeded at proudly maintaining their wonderful heritages while also blending into the country where they now live.

lol. Please, step by step and in detail, please explain how going to predominantly Hispanic and black gen ed elementary schools will help Chinese and Russian Americans become a PE firm or law firm partner? Then please explain how the odds are lower by going to a G&T school. I’m dying to know.