Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a few questions

1. Who called the police such that they investigated this?

2. What is the correct thing to do if you have a stillbirth over a toilet? Who do you call to help you with this? If I were to call 911 are operators trained to help me? Should I call a funeral home? Would they?

3. How is it prolife to turn a woman with ruptured membranes away from the hospital instead of doing everything possible to save the baby? If it can’t be saved, isn’t the pro life thing to do to get the woman a d and c and prevent complications? How come neither of these were done?

The baby probably wasn’t dead yet when she went to the hospital, and although her water had broken, she wasn’t in active labor. Under the 6 week ban in effect at the time, inducing labor at that point could have been construed as performing an abortion, which they could only legally do if the mother’s life was in imminent danger. You’re not in imminent danger in the first few hours after your water breaks. Your health has to deteriorate first. They weren’t legally permitted to treat her so they turfed her. This is considered pro life because an unborn, non viable baby has more political value than the vessel carrying it.

But the fetus is clearly in imminent danger. If it has the same worth as the mother (or more as you say) why do you not treat it? Is there any hospital in the world where a person would be released or refused treatment (or where it is illegal to treat them) because we expect them to die in a few hours or a day? I’ve never heard of that.

That said I think the first two questions I asked are the most germane to the events here, not the third or which yes has legal and moral gaps that have been discussed many times.

Welcome to our Christo-fascist dystopian world. They couldn’t treat the fetus because the situation was such that the fetus could not survive. They couldn’t induce her or give her an abortion because old white dudes sitting in the Ohio legislature who know squat about the female body and it’s reproductive process think they know better than doctors how to provide medical care (or not) to pregnant women. The laws and the medical system 100% failed this woman. And anyone criticizing her instead of the law and the politicians who put her in that position is a heartless POS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She needs to be held accountable period

For what? And how?

If she has other children, do you think it’s acceptable for their mom to be taken away from them and put in jail for experiencing a miscarriage at home?

You’re a monster and you don’t value human life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Check out what they tell you to do in England.

https://www.liverpoolwomens.nhs.uk/media/3386/disposal-of-pregnancy-remains-following-miscarriage-at-home-leaflet.pdf

"If you miscarry at home you are very likely to pass the remains of your pregnancy into the
toilet. You may look at what has come away and see a pregnancy sac and/or a very early
baby (we call this a fetus) – or something you think might a be a fetus. If you complete your
miscarriage at home you have no obligation to dispose of the pregnancy remains in any
particular way. You might want to simply flush the toilet – many people do that automatically.
If you prefer to dispose of the remains the way you normally dispose of sanitary waste this is
a personal choice and there are no regulations to prevent you doing whatever feels right for
you.

What a refreshingly reasonable approach. Clear, concise, reasonable instructions from the hospital on what to do should you miscarry at home. No mentions of crime or corpses or law-breaking. Just unbiased description of what to do should an unfortunate natural phenomenon happen to you while away from the hospital.

How normal. I wish we had that kind of compassionate clear guidance for miscarriages in America.

[Anonymous]

Also for anyone wondering as I was, this is what a ~20 week miscarried fetus look like.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2542212/amp/Mother-shares-heartbreaking-photos-baby-miscarried-19-weeks.html

Please don’t look at it if you don’t want to see photos of a dead fetus. I’m sorry if you are triggered. But I think it’s important to see in this context bc it’s a lot smaller than I thought it would be.

[Anonymous]

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to pay for a funeral or cremation after a miscarriage or 20 week stillbirth - flushing the toilet is absolutely preferable to having women fish aborted parts out of sickening fluid. This woman did nothing wrong and is clearly being prosecuted simply based on the religious beliefs of the police/prosecutor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She is not being charged with having a stillborn. She is being charged for abuse of a corpse for leaving the dead baby in the toilet.

“And going about her day” What kind of cruelty it takes to charge a woman with a crime after losing her baby and probably was in some kind of shock.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is not being charged with having a stillborn. She is being charged for abuse of a corpse for leaving the dead baby in the toilet.

“And going about her day” What kind of cruelty it takes to charge a woman with a crime after losing her baby and probably was in some kind of shock.

The Republican kind of cruelty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also for anyone wondering as I was, this is what a ~20 week miscarried fetus look like.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2542212/amp/Mother-shares-heartbreaking-photos-baby-miscarried-19-weeks.html

Please don’t look at it if you don’t want to see photos of a dead fetus. I’m sorry if you are triggered. But I think it’s important to see in this context bc it’s a lot smaller than I thought it would be.

Any pics of decomposed fetus in a toilet bowl of blood and poo?

Just so we can really appreciate the situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She needs to be held accountable period

What should she have done instead?

[Anonymous]

Anyone who thinks this woman should be prosecuted - I hope I don't know you IRL. That is all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"I had a miscarriage and yes I flushed"

https://cafemom.com/parenting/217370-flushing-toilet-after-miscarriage/277454-i_wanted_it_to_be_anything_besides_the_end_of_another_pregnancy_nbsp

Size and shape of a small water balloon. Not a formed baby who has gestated to 22 weeks. Huge difference. No comparison. And yet, even then, she wonders about the ethics and meaning of flushing it, when it really is still a "sac of cells," as so many like to call it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but I'm not going to pay for a funeral or cremation after a miscarriage or 20 week stillbirth - flushing the toilet is absolutely preferable to having women fish aborted parts out of sickening fluid. This woman did nothing wrong and is clearly being prosecuted simply based on the religious beliefs of the police/prosecutor.

Or you simply have such a one-sided view of this issue, based solely on ideology that you can't think critically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She needs to be held accountable period

For what exactly?

And why?

Do you have any accountability expectations for the health care professionals who sent her home?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a few questions

1. Who called the police such that they investigated this?

2. What is the correct thing to do if you have a stillbirth over a toilet? Who do you call to help you with this? If I were to call 911 are operators trained to help me? Should I call a funeral home? Would they?

3. How is it prolife to turn a woman with ruptured membranes away from the hospital instead of doing everything possible to save the baby? If it can’t be saved, isn’t the pro life thing to do to get the woman a d and c and prevent complications? How come neither of these were done?

for #2 - delivering a 22 week stillborn is actually quite risky for the woman especially if her membranes have been ruptured for a while and there could be an infection. so yes you should call 911 for the woman’s health.

for # 3 - the fetus probably still had a heartbeat when she went to the hospital so they refused to do the d&c (like any civilized country should do) and instead made her walk around w ruptured membranes and risking infection until she went into premature labor alone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but I'm not going to pay for a funeral or cremation after a miscarriage or 20 week stillbirth - flushing the toilet is absolutely preferable to having women fish aborted parts out of sickening fluid. This woman did nothing wrong and is clearly being prosecuted simply based on the religious beliefs of the police/prosecutor.

Or you simply have such a one-sided view of this issue, based solely on ideology that you can't think critically.

Wow. I’m a different PP, but this response strongly suggests that YOU yourself “have such a one-sided view of this issue, based solely on ideology, that you can’t think critically”.

Yet again, we have another poster, now 40 pages in, criticizing the poor woman and any posters who can identify with her plight — WITHOUT giving specific detailed responses about what someone in this situation is legally and medically supposed to do. And supposed to do with limited resources. As in: lacking excellent insurance, whiteness, and enough wealth to make transportation and paying out of pocket for unexpected medical care manageable.