White cops harass and pepper spray Black Army Lieutenant in Windsor, VA

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Yes, since they were telling him to do that. Imagine if he had just announced he was undoing his seat belt, done so, opened the door, and gotten out slowly with his hands in view. It isn't complicated nor difficult. they told him both to show his hands AND unbuckle his seatbelt, which would have meant potentially reaching for a gun...conflicting "orders" what was he supposed to do? And why is there a presumption of malfeasance? If he were white, they would not have pulled him over, much less charged his car with guns showing

Arguing with the cops is stupid.

You don't know what they think they are doing. You may be innocent. Maybe the cops have the wrong guy...but if the guy they are looking for just shot some people, they are going to be ready for the worst. maybe? they pulled over a guy in uniform

So lose the attitude. Don't play lawyer and tell the cops what they are allowed to direct you to do. (Especially when you are wrong. ) Don't argue. Don't resist them.

Just do as directed, slowly, and keep your hands in view.

cletus and barney were in the wrong, their conduct was not that of "protect and defend" - it was aggressive and needlessly hostile.

Why do you think they even knew his race when they pulled him over?

This is what is sad about the level of discourse we have today on race.

People are just desperate to insert it into anything and everything, regardless of whether there is any evidence it was a factor at all.

(And being in uniform changes what exactly? Do you think soldiers don't commit crimes? I have some bad news for you...)

The focus was on how he was treated when they could see it was a black man in his military uniform. And again no crime was committed, he wasn't even given a ticket. He wasn't speeding, he did nothing wrong. You are criminalizing him for no other reason than being black.

Of course soldiers can commit crimes; a soldier murdered one of his own and hid the body in Ft. Hood. No one is denying that someone in the military can commit a crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Those articles have the same flaw as most of the other propaganda being pushed in the media.

Black people are subjected to force in proportion to their violent crime and resisting arrest statistics.

Why would you expect the numbers to be proportionate when there are such vast disparities in violent crime?

So they are basing their very behavior on statistics that blacks are disproportionately arrested and convicted of violent crime and resisting arrest.

And yet, it is very clear here, from watching the video, that he was not violent, he was calm, his hands were outside the window and he was trying to engage in simple, calm dialog. So, clearly he was a black man prone to violent crime and resisting arrest and they were going to treat him as such. Even though his behavior was completely contradictory. The video evidence and officer reports to the police department according to the spokesperson contraindicates every one of the police officers actions. They pulled him over on manufactured offenses (the license plate which they admitted in the light was completely visible, the 2nd officer admitted that it was routine for minorities to drive to well-lit areas for a traffic stop) and he was not behaving erratically like when affected by substances, he was not behaving violently, he was not resisting arrest, since there was absolutely no justification for arrest for a completely mistaken ordinary traffic stop.

Zero logic or reason to behave as they did and yet they did. These two officers need some retraining, some administrative action and the police force is up for some hefty damages because of their racist behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:This idiot failed repeatedly to follow basic commands. The cops did sctew up at times ny giving conflicting commands.

He was pepper sprayed while calmly sitting in his car, with his hands outside the window, just after asking why he was being detained. That is indefensible.

He had been sitting there arguing with the cops for a good long while by that point.

He had every opportunity to not be an idiot, and at each decision point chose idiot.

If you don't want a tense confrontation with the cops, obey directions, don't argue, don't resist.

Was the smart thing to reach to his waist and unbuckle his seatbelt? I would be scared. At least with his hands out of the car, he made sure he was not a threat.

They never even bothered to tell him why they were pulling him over. If they had, he could say "there's a license plate in my window."

Yes, since they were telling him to do that. Imagine if he had just announced he was undoing his seat belt, done so, opened the door, and gotten out slowly with his hands in view. It isn't complicated nor difficult.

Arguing with the cops is stupid.

You don't know what they think they are doing. You may be innocent. Maybe the cops have the wrong guy...but if the guy they are looking for just shot some people, they are going to be ready for the worst.

So lose the attitude. Don't play lawyer and tell the cops what they are allowed to direct you to do. (Especially when you are wrong. ) Don't argue. Don't resist them.

Just do as directed, slowly, and keep your hands in view.

Again they aggressively gave conflicting commands. They approached him in an unprofessional manner. The supervisor was apologetic but patronizing and they let him go without even a ticket because he did nothing wrong. The older officer also threatens to ruin his military career by falsifying what happened during the encounter.

White racists really love to gaslight black people, accusing them of just not following orders even with video footage stating otherwise (i.e. Philando Castile).

Let me guess, you think Chauvin should be acquitted?

Ah, we are back to calling people racists without any evidence whatsoever.

BTW, the second officer is named "Gutierrez," so... doesn't quite fit the narrative of the omg -white- small town cop.

My evidence is your comments.

Do you really think a white person with a Spanish last name can't be racist or anti-black? Try visiting Miami.

I have no problem believing someone of any race could be racist, but absent evidence that they are racist I don't assume it.

The point is you and others obsessed with race want the cops to be white because it allows you to vilify them more easily. "Hispanic cop pulls over black motorist" just does have the same ring to it for you and we both know it.

Both cops are white. One is a white Hispanic. The driver is an Afro-Latino. Plenty of white Hispanic cops have shot black people, like Philando Castile's killer. Here is a link to colorism/racism in the Latino community for your education.

https://hiplatina.com/colorism-within-the-latino-community/

The cops vilified themselves with their demonic behavior. I'm just calling it out.

Ah, "demonic," I kind of wondered what would come after calling everyone racist was no longer sufficiently strong invective.

Good to know that white Hispanics are plenty white enough when they need to be to fit the narrative.

White Hispanics have always been white. I don't think you understand that your race can't be Hispanic. Hispanic just means he is of Spanish-speaking origin. He is clearly a white man from the picture I posted.

You called a military officer an idiot for asking why he was pulled over and not immediately responding to conflicting demands but your moral compass comes out strong when I call a racist, overzealous, power-hungry cop 'demonic'.

Seriously, racist, demonic. What do you call someone that is actually doing something clearly in the wrong?

This cop is clearly in the wrong. He was abusing his authority. You obviously don't think that black men or people are entitled to basic respect and their constitutional rights.

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Anonymous wrote:This idiot failed repeatedly to follow basic commands. The cops did sctew up at times ny giving conflicting commands.

He was pepper sprayed while calmly sitting in his car, with his hands outside the window, just after asking why he was being detained. That is indefensible.

He had been sitting there arguing with the cops for a good long while by that point.

He had every opportunity to not be an idiot, and at each decision point chose idiot.

If you don't want a tense confrontation with the cops, obey directions, don't argue, don't resist.

They gave him no reason for approaching him. They just started barking orders in the most aggressive way possible. You clearly are white, aren't you?

I think we definitely need to find more ways to introduce race into this. After all, isn't everything about race?

Yes, yes it is. Every single institution in this country is built on the foundation of white supremacy/superiority and it's time to dismantle oppressive institutional, systemic racism.

Of course everything, everyone, everywhere, racist.

It is amazing you have survived this long in such a horrible racist place.

My ancestors survived hundreds of years of slavery so yes I have survival in my blood.

There is nobody alive today whose ancestors didn't survive many trials that they might not have.

My ancestors hunted mammoths with stone tipped spears, and I often deal with traffic on my way to the grocery store. We all face our own trials in our own times I guess.

This is the whitest response I've ever heard. My ancestors hunted wild animals as well because it was simply before technology but that's not hundreds of years of slavery. You're white so your ancestors did not go through that, mine did and relatiely recently than hunting mammoths.

I also cannot believe you are comparing slavery and Jim Crow to hunting for food and car traffic. White people intentionally dumb themselves down when discussing racism and racial bias, it's so embarassing.

You actually came pretty close on the analogy, so credit where due I guess.

The hunting mammoths part was slavery.

Driving to the store in traffic is the modern "racism" you are surviving.

See how it works? You said your ancestors survived slavery. My ancestors hunted mammoths. That is the parallel.

The modern part is traffic, and "systemic racism. "

Get it now?

This is a really poor attempt to be clever and you just look foolish.

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Anonymous wrote:As is so often the case with these videos we don't know the full context. What we see in the video is a felony stop where the police officers are approaching the suspect with guns drawn and order the suspect to exit the vehicle. This is not the default approach to a routine traffic stop, which tells us something has transpired before the arrival of the officer wearing the body cam that we have video of.

The suspect is non-compliant and argues at length with the officers that he doesn't have to follow their directives, refuses to leave his vehicle, tells the police to "keep their hands off me," resists arrest, etc.

That the suspect is in the military and in uniform has nothing to do with anything.

Being in uniform doesn't change a thing when you are interacting with the police. Tons of service members get arrested off base for all manner of things in uniform and out. (and yes, largely for traffic violations, drunk driving, etc)

Characterizing this as "white cops harass and pepper spray black Army lieutenant," is characteristic of just how screwed up our society is on race relations right now.

Why insert race into this? Are white cops allowed to enforce the law? Are black army lieutenants obligated to follow the law and obey lawful directives when interacting with the police?

What if the police are -gasp- white, does a black army lieutenant still need to obey their commands at a traffic stop?

There is no evidence that race played a role in this interaction evident in the video.

Finally, he was not "attacked." He refused to comply with the police at length during a traffic stop. He was eventually pepper sprayed, which seemed to prompt him to at least get out of the car, after which point he refused to cooperate further and resisted arrest, before finally being taken into custody. The one officer should be counseled on his language, but this is hardly a case of police brutality.

All the suspect had to do was get out of the car and cooperate.

White apologists like you are why we have such a race problem in this country. Between the article and the video we have the context that you deny.

The officers reported the driver was pulled over for a mistaken lack of a rear license plate. The driver, being a minority, was fearful of what would happen in a dark area, so he drove to a well-lit area and parked under a light as is shown in the video. The officers called this "eluding police" even though he drove slowly and parked. The police spokesman spoke with quotes from the two officers. When asked about the driver's decision to drive to a well-lit area, the second officer acknowledged that the driver's decision to drive to a well-lit area happens "a lot and 80% of the time, it's a minority." In other words, people who are fearful for what happens and want to make sure that the body cam footage can be seen clearly. The officers admitted that by the time he stopped under the light, the license was clearly visible.

So, by the time the vehicle had stopped, they had determined that the pull-over for a missing rear license plate was false. They had determined that the driver's action were completely normal, especially for a minority driver and were not evidence of "eluding police". In other words, there were no violations of law, there were no violations of traffic regulations. It was an ordinary traffic stop. In an ordinary traffic stop, the officers should have had a standard two point stop. In fact, looking at the body cam footage, you can see that the second officer (the one with the body cam) did in fact spread out and approach with a clean shot at the winow and the first officer approached from the rear staying out of the second officers line of sight to the driver. The driver complied with the command to put his hands out the window and was trying to talk to the officers. At that point, they could have spoken to him, but they would not allow him to speak at all, instead only barking out "get out of the vehicle". Let me ask the white readers here who have been stopped for a traffic violation how many times they have been stopped and order to put their hands out the window and get out of the vehicle without being able to talk to the detaining officer? I'm Asian and have been driving for almost 40 years. I've been stopped a handful of time for things from moving violations (speeding, not stopping at a stop sign) and simple problems like a tail light out. In the evening cases, I also drove to a well-lit area. I have never once been asked to put my hands out of the vehicle and never once have been asked to exit the vehicle. Normally I roll down the window, the office approaches, I greet them formally and they explain what the stop is for, ask for my identification and registraition information.

The driver was acting calmly, kept his hands visible and asked to please talk to the officers, but they would not even give him the respect to listen to him. He said when he was told to exit the vehicle that he was afraid to unbuckle his seat belt and they only barked at him to exit the vehicle and told him he had a reason to "be afraid". Yes, the reason he had to be afraid was that he was a minority being targetted for "driving while black" and these officers had no intention of treating him fairly.

And, you, PP, are so clearly operating from a position of white privilege. Your entire posting reeks of white privilege. You can see clear racism here, unfair treatement of a minority with a minority who has said that he is afraid to even reach for his seat belt, is afraid to pull his hands into his car and all you can say is that he deserved to be pepper-sprayed.

White people like you are exactly why we have a race problem in the US.

Again, the best you can come up with is to insist someone must white... as if that would advance your argument somehow.

The driver's behavior was a textbook example of how to turn what should have been a total non-event into a real confrontation.

He argued, insisted he didn't have to get out of the car, and then resisted the officers when he did.

You want us to believe he was too dumb and scared to understand what he was being told to do, but he was arguing and resisting.

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He was pepper sprayed while calmly sitting in his car, with his hands outside the window, just after asking why he was being detained. That is indefensible.

He had been sitting there arguing with the cops for a good long while by that point.

He had every opportunity to not be an idiot, and at each decision point chose idiot.

If you don't want a tense confrontation with the cops, obey directions, don't argue, don't resist.

Was the smart thing to reach to his waist and unbuckle his seatbelt? I would be scared. At least with his hands out of the car, he made sure he was not a threat.

They never even bothered to tell him why they were pulling him over. If they had, he could say "there's a license plate in my window."

Yes, since they were telling him to do that. Imagine if he had just announced he was undoing his seat belt, done so, opened the door, and gotten out slowly with his hands in view. It isn't complicated nor difficult.

Arguing with the cops is stupid.

You don't know what they think they are doing. You may be innocent. Maybe the cops have the wrong guy...but if the guy they are looking for just shot some people, they are going to be ready for the worst.

So lose the attitude. Don't play lawyer and tell the cops what they are allowed to direct you to do. (Especially when you are wrong. ) Don't argue. Don't resist them.

Just do as directed, slowly, and keep your hands in view.

Again they aggressively gave conflicting commands. They approached him in an unprofessional manner. The supervisor was apologetic but patronizing and they let him go without even a ticket because he did nothing wrong. The older officer also threatens to ruin his military career by falsifying what happened during the encounter.

White racists really love to gaslight black people, accusing them of just not following orders even with video footage stating otherwise (i.e. Philando Castile).

Let me guess, you think Chauvin should be acquitted?

Ah, we are back to calling people racists without any evidence whatsoever.

BTW, the second officer is named "Gutierrez," so... doesn't quite fit the narrative of the omg -white- small town cop.

My evidence is your comments.

Do you really think a white person with a Spanish last name can't be racist or anti-black? Try visiting Miami.

I have no problem believing someone of any race could be racist, but absent evidence that they are racist I don't assume it.

The point is you and others obsessed with race want the cops to be white because it allows you to vilify them more easily. "Hispanic cop pulls over black motorist" just does have the same ring to it for you and we both know it.

Both cops are white. One is a white Hispanic. The driver is an Afro-Latino. Plenty of white Hispanic cops have shot black people, like Philando Castile's killer. Here is a link to colorism/racism in the Latino community for your education.

https://hiplatina.com/colorism-within-the-latino-community/

The cops vilified themselves with their demonic behavior. I'm just calling it out.

Ah, "demonic," I kind of wondered what would come after calling everyone racist was no longer sufficiently strong invective.

Good to know that white Hispanics are plenty white enough when they need to be to fit the narrative.

White Hispanics have always been white. I don't think you understand that your race can't be Hispanic. Hispanic just means he is of Spanish-speaking origin. He is clearly a white man from the picture I posted.

You called a military officer an idiot for asking why he was pulled over and not immediately responding to conflicting demands but your moral compass comes out strong when I call a racist, overzealous, power-hungry cop 'demonic'.

Seriously, racist, demonic. What do you call someone that is actually doing something clearly in the wrong?

This cop is clearly in the wrong. He was abusing his authority. You obviously don't think that black men or people are entitled to basic respect and their constitutional rights.

Yes, obviously still more of that omnipresent racism. No possible way anyone just sees something differently. Has to be racism.

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Why didn't get get out of the car, he will lose his clearance for this. Remember that military could be armed and have recently been mass shooters

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Yes, since they were telling him to do that. Imagine if he had just announced he was undoing his seat belt, done so, opened the door, and gotten out slowly with his hands in view. It isn't complicated nor difficult. they told him both to show his hands AND unbuckle his seatbelt, which would have meant potentially reaching for a gun...conflicting "orders" what was he supposed to do? And why is there a presumption of malfeasance? If he were white, they would not have pulled him over, much less charged his car with guns showing

Arguing with the cops is stupid.

You don't know what they think they are doing. You may be innocent. Maybe the cops have the wrong guy...but if the guy they are looking for just shot some people, they are going to be ready for the worst. maybe? they pulled over a guy in uniform

So lose the attitude. Don't play lawyer and tell the cops what they are allowed to direct you to do. (Especially when you are wrong. ) Don't argue. Don't resist them.

Just do as directed, slowly, and keep your hands in view.

cletus and barney were in the wrong, their conduct was not that of "protect and defend" - it was aggressive and needlessly hostile.

Why do you think they even knew his race when they pulled him over?

This is what is sad about the level of discourse we have today on race.

People are just desperate to insert it into anything and everything, regardless of whether there is any evidence it was a factor at all.

(And being in uniform changes what exactly? Do you think soldiers don't commit crimes? I have some bad news for you...)

The focus was on how he was treated when they could see it was a black man in his military uniform. And again no crime was committed, he wasn't even given a ticket. He wasn't speeding, he did nothing wrong. You are criminalizing him for no other reason than being black.

Of course soldiers can commit crimes; a soldier murdered one of his own and hid the body in Ft. Hood. No one is denying that someone in the military can commit a crime.

The radio stated felony traffic stop

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Yes, since they were telling him to do that. Imagine if he had just announced he was undoing his seat belt, done so, opened the door, and gotten out slowly with his hands in view. It isn't complicated nor difficult. they told him both to show his hands AND unbuckle his seatbelt, which would have meant potentially reaching for a gun...conflicting "orders" what was he supposed to do? And why is there a presumption of malfeasance? If he were white, they would not have pulled him over, much less charged his car with guns showing

Arguing with the cops is stupid.

You don't know what they think they are doing. You may be innocent. Maybe the cops have the wrong guy...but if the guy they are looking for just shot some people, they are going to be ready for the worst. maybe? they pulled over a guy in uniform

So lose the attitude. Don't play lawyer and tell the cops what they are allowed to direct you to do. (Especially when you are wrong. ) Don't argue. Don't resist them.

Just do as directed, slowly, and keep your hands in view.

cletus and barney were in the wrong, their conduct was not that of "protect and defend" - it was aggressive and needlessly hostile.

Why do you think they even knew his race when they pulled him over?

This is what is sad about the level of discourse we have today on race.

People are just desperate to insert it into anything and everything, regardless of whether there is any evidence it was a factor at all.

(And being in uniform changes what exactly? Do you think soldiers don't commit crimes? I have some bad news for you...)

The focus was on how he was treated when they could see it was a black man in his military uniform. And again no crime was committed, he wasn't even given a ticket. He wasn't speeding, he did nothing wrong. You are criminalizing him for no other reason than being black.

Of course soldiers can commit crimes; a soldier murdered one of his own and hid the body in Ft. Hood. No one is denying that someone in the military can commit a crime.

He was pulled over because the license plate wasn't visible.

Nobody "criminalized" him for being black. If he had just followed directions everything would have been over quickly and without drama.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, the best you can come up with is to insist someone must white... as if that would advance your argument somehow.

The driver's behavior was a textbook example of how to turn what should have been a total non-event into a real confrontation.

He argued, insisted he didn't have to get out of the car, and then resisted the officers when he did.

You want us to believe he was too dumb and scared to understand what he was being told to do, but he was arguing and resisting.

You will see. The officers did virtually everything textbook wrong. They made a traffic stop, they did not confirm that the reason that they stopped the vehicle, was clearly and evidently wrong (missing license plate which they admitted was clearly visible once under the lights). At every turn they escalated the situation instead of deescalated the situation. They made absolutely no effort to communicate with the person, other than to bark orders that were contraindicated by the situation. The driver was not violent, the driver was asking for information for why he was stopped. At any point they could have communicated with the him. The only thing they did correct was order him to put his hands out window. Once he complied, they had no reason to continue to escalate the situation. And despite your assertions that they barked commands at him, he gave a clear reason why he was not pulling his hand inside and rather than talk to him they just continued to bark the one order to exit the vehicle. At the point where they maced him, there was no justification for it.

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Anonymous wrote:This idiot failed repeatedly to follow basic commands. The cops did sctew up at times ny giving conflicting commands.

He was pepper sprayed while calmly sitting in his car, with his hands outside the window, just after asking why he was being detained. That is indefensible.

He had been sitting there arguing with the cops for a good long while by that point.

He had every opportunity to not be an idiot, and at each decision point chose idiot.

If you don't want a tense confrontation with the cops, obey directions, don't argue, don't resist.

They gave him no reason for approaching him. They just started barking orders in the most aggressive way possible. You clearly are white, aren't you?

I think we definitely need to find more ways to introduce race into this. After all, isn't everything about race?

Yes, yes it is. Every single institution in this country is built on the foundation of white supremacy/superiority and it's time to dismantle oppressive institutional, systemic racism.

Of course everything, everyone, everywhere, racist.

It is amazing you have survived this long in such a horrible racist place.

My ancestors survived hundreds of years of slavery so yes I have survival in my blood.

There is nobody alive today whose ancestors didn't survive many trials that they might not have.

My ancestors hunted mammoths with stone tipped spears, and I often deal with traffic on my way to the grocery store. We all face our own trials in our own times I guess.

Can I talk to you privately, White person to White person? You sound like a total jackash. I think it comes from a place of ignorance, but that’s not an excuse in this day and age. You have the internet and library access, if you can’t afford books on your own. We all of us survived day to day life, that which was natural and normal in its place and was not done to us, but just happened. Slavery, a 400 year long condition of complete ownership over people’s bodies and lives (and minds and spirit, to the extent that the owners could manage it), was done to Black people. For generations. And it’s not like the cruelty stopped in 1865.

The exact same cruelty is still happening. And you’re excusing it.

So what you do is you pick an area of interest, and you find a book about it. Do you like gardening? Read about Black farmers and the challenges they have faced and face.
Here’s one that focuses on the years 1940-1974. https://www.amazon.com/Dispossession-Pete-Daniel/dp/1469622076/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=Black+farmers&qid=1618079176&sr=8-2
Here’s an artsy, photographic book if that’s more your speed: https://www.amazon.com/Black-Farmers-America-Francis-Ficara/dp/0813123992/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1&keywords=Black+farmers&qid=1618079176&sr=8-7
Like sports? Read a book about the Negro Leagues.
https://www.amazon.com/Shades-Glory-Leagues-African-American-Baseball/dp/1426200331/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=Negro+leagues&qid=1618079318&sr=8-2
The Negro Leagues Were Major Leagues: https://www.amazon.com/Negro-Leagues-Were-Major-Historians/dp/1476665141/ref=sr_1_10?dchild=1&keywords=Negro+leagues&qid=1618079318&sr=8-10

And then you learn. And you don’t say stupidly offensive stuff like you wrote.

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Yes, since they were telling him to do that. Imagine if he had just announced he was undoing his seat belt, done so, opened the door, and gotten out slowly with his hands in view. It isn't complicated nor difficult. they told him both to show his hands AND unbuckle his seatbelt, which would have meant potentially reaching for a gun...conflicting "orders" what was he supposed to do? And why is there a presumption of malfeasance? If he were white, they would not have pulled him over, much less charged his car with guns showing

Arguing with the cops is stupid.

You don't know what they think they are doing. You may be innocent. Maybe the cops have the wrong guy...but if the guy they are looking for just shot some people, they are going to be ready for the worst. maybe? they pulled over a guy in uniform

So lose the attitude. Don't play lawyer and tell the cops what they are allowed to direct you to do. (Especially when you are wrong. ) Don't argue. Don't resist them.

Just do as directed, slowly, and keep your hands in view.

cletus and barney were in the wrong, their conduct was not that of "protect and defend" - it was aggressive and needlessly hostile.

Why do you think they even knew his race when they pulled him over?

This is what is sad about the level of discourse we have today on race.

People are just desperate to insert it into anything and everything, regardless of whether there is any evidence it was a factor at all.

(And being in uniform changes what exactly? Do you think soldiers don't commit crimes? I have some bad news for you...)

The focus was on how he was treated when they could see it was a black man in his military uniform. And again no crime was committed, he wasn't even given a ticket. He wasn't speeding, he did nothing wrong. You are criminalizing him for no other reason than being black.

Of course soldiers can commit crimes; a soldier murdered one of his own and hid the body in Ft. Hood. No one is denying that someone in the military can commit a crime.

He was pulled over because the license plate wasn't visible.

Nobody "criminalized" him for being black. If he had just followed directions everything would have been over quickly and without drama.

Please read 14:30’s comment. You need to.

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This is a good video to show your kids as what not to do when getting pulled over.

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Anonymous wrote:This idiot failed repeatedly to follow basic commands. The cops did sctew up at times ny giving conflicting commands.

He was pepper sprayed while calmly sitting in his car, with his hands outside the window, just after asking why he was being detained. That is indefensible.

He had been sitting there arguing with the cops for a good long while by that point.

He had every opportunity to not be an idiot, and at each decision point chose idiot.

If you don't want a tense confrontation with the cops, obey directions, don't argue, don't resist.

Was the smart thing to reach to his waist and unbuckle his seatbelt? I would be scared. At least with his hands out of the car, he made sure he was not a threat.

They never even bothered to tell him why they were pulling him over. If they had, he could say "there's a license plate in my window."

Yes, since they were telling him to do that. Imagine if he had just announced he was undoing his seat belt, done so, opened the door, and gotten out slowly with his hands in view. It isn't complicated nor difficult.

Arguing with the cops is stupid.

You don't know what they think they are doing. You may be innocent. Maybe the cops have the wrong guy...but if the guy they are looking for just shot some people, they are going to be ready for the worst.

So lose the attitude. Don't play lawyer and tell the cops what they are allowed to direct you to do. (Especially when you are wrong. ) Don't argue. Don't resist them.

Just do as directed, slowly, and keep your hands in view.

Again they aggressively gave conflicting commands. They approached him in an unprofessional manner. The supervisor was apologetic but patronizing and they let him go without even a ticket because he did nothing wrong. The older officer also threatens to ruin his military career by falsifying what happened during the encounter.

White racists really love to gaslight black people, accusing them of just not following orders even with video footage stating otherwise (i.e. Philando Castile).

Let me guess, you think Chauvin should be acquitted?

Ah, we are back to calling people racists without any evidence whatsoever.

BTW, the second officer is named "Gutierrez," so... doesn't quite fit the narrative of the omg -white- small town cop.

Why Gutierrez can’t be white? If you are saying his name makes him Hispanic, he can be white and Hispanic.

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Anonymous wrote:As is so often the case with these videos we don't know the full context. What we see in the video is a felony stop where the police officers are approaching the suspect with guns drawn and order the suspect to exit the vehicle. This is not the default approach to a routine traffic stop, which tells us something has transpired before the arrival of the officer wearing the body cam that we have video of.

The suspect is non-compliant and argues at length with the officers that he doesn't have to follow their directives, refuses to leave his vehicle, tells the police to "keep their hands off me," resists arrest, etc.

That the suspect is in the military and in uniform has nothing to do with anything.

Being in uniform doesn't change a thing when you are interacting with the police. Tons of service members get arrested off base for all manner of things in uniform and out. (and yes, largely for traffic violations, drunk driving, etc)

Characterizing this as "white cops harass and pepper spray black Army lieutenant," is characteristic of just how screwed up our society is on race relations right now.

Why insert race into this? Are white cops allowed to enforce the law? Are black army lieutenants obligated to follow the law and obey lawful directives when interacting with the police?

What if the police are -gasp- white, does a black army lieutenant still need to obey their commands at a traffic stop?

There is no evidence that race played a role in this interaction evident in the video.

Finally, he was not "attacked." He refused to comply with the police at length during a traffic stop. He was eventually pepper sprayed, which seemed to prompt him to at least get out of the car, after which point he refused to cooperate further and resisted arrest, before finally being taken into custody. The one officer should be counseled on his language, but this is hardly a case of police brutality.

All the suspect had to do was get out of the car and cooperate.

White apologists like you are why we have such a race problem in this country. Between the article and the video we have the context that you deny.

The officers reported the driver was pulled over for a mistaken lack of a rear license plate. The driver, being a minority, was fearful of what would happen in a dark area, so he drove to a well-lit area and parked under a light as is shown in the video. The officers called this "eluding police" even though he drove slowly and parked. The police spokesman spoke with quotes from the two officers. When asked about the driver's decision to drive to a well-lit area, the second officer acknowledged that the driver's decision to drive to a well-lit area happens "a lot and 80% of the time, it's a minority." In other words, people who are fearful for what happens and want to make sure that the body cam footage can be seen clearly. The officers admitted that by the time he stopped under the light, the license was clearly visible.

So, by the time the vehicle had stopped, they had determined that the pull-over for a missing rear license plate was false. They had determined that the driver's action were completely normal, especially for a minority driver and were not evidence of "eluding police". In other words, there were no violations of law, there were no violations of traffic regulations. It was an ordinary traffic stop. In an ordinary traffic stop, the officers should have had a standard two point stop. In fact, looking at the body cam footage, you can see that the second officer (the one with the body cam) did in fact spread out and approach with a clean shot at the winow and the first officer approached from the rear staying out of the second officers line of sight to the driver. The driver complied with the command to put his hands out the window and was trying to talk to the officers. At that point, they could have spoken to him, but they would not allow him to speak at all, instead only barking out "get out of the vehicle". Let me ask the white readers here who have been stopped for a traffic violation how many times they have been stopped and order to put their hands out the window and get out of the vehicle without being able to talk to the detaining officer? I'm Asian and have been driving for almost 40 years. I've been stopped a handful of time for things from moving violations (speeding, not stopping at a stop sign) and simple problems like a tail light out. In the evening cases, I also drove to a well-lit area. I have never once been asked to put my hands out of the vehicle and never once have been asked to exit the vehicle. Normally I roll down the window, the office approaches, I greet them formally and they explain what the stop is for, ask for my identification and registraition information.

The driver was acting calmly, kept his hands visible and asked to please talk to the officers, but they would not even give him the respect to listen to him. He said when he was told to exit the vehicle that he was afraid to unbuckle his seat belt and they only barked at him to exit the vehicle and told him he had a reason to "be afraid". Yes, the reason he had to be afraid was that he was a minority being targetted for "driving while black" and these officers had no intention of treating him fairly.

And, you, PP, are so clearly operating from a position of white privilege. Your entire posting reeks of white privilege. You can see clear racism here, unfair treatement of a minority with a minority who has said that he is afraid to even reach for his seat belt, is afraid to pull his hands into his car and all you can say is that he deserved to be pepper-sprayed.

White people like you are exactly why we have a race problem in the US.

Again, the best you can come up with is to insist someone must white... as if that would advance your argument somehow.

The driver's behavior was a textbook example of how to turn what should have been a total non-event into a real confrontation.

He argued, insisted he didn't have to get out of the car, and then resisted the officers when he did.

You want us to believe he was too dumb and scared to understand what he was being told to do, but he was arguing and resisting.

Not PP

You have to be white or a white-identifying Asian or Latino. Either way, you are going out of your way to prove that the behavior of these cops would have been exactly the same if he were white in military uniform (It would not have been and I posted studies to prove it) or that the cops did nothing wrong at all.

The officers created a hostile encounter from the beginning and were upset when he simply asked why he was pulled over and screamed conflicting commands knowing that black men are more likely to shot by police even when they are unarmed. No reason was given until the supervisor arrived on the scene and he even stated the officers were on edge.

You're either a paid spokesperson for police or you're just a bootlicker.