Other than Big Law partner, what jobs in this area pay $500k+?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a physician and this is spot on. The recruiter jobs that pay the best aren't in desirable locations and the md/dc area pays physicians worse than a lot of other areas. A lot or physicians I know aren't making $500k, although there are some very well paid specialists in the hospital I work in based on the 990. A few in the $2-3 million range. But that's the exception and they work crazy for this

I'll clarify my initial point...there are 3 buckets most of the jobs I see fall into:

1. High-paying jobs in desirable urban areas. Often private practices attached to prestigious institutions. These fill via word of mouth and often via personal connections (e.g. I know a couple cases of parent not retiring until their own child replaces them). These are the best jobs, and it's true you will never see them via an ad or a recruiter. Best way to get one is be born lucky or be an absolute rock star as a resident working alongside the partners.

2. Average jobs in undesirable (rural) areas. Lucrative for the average physician but not always more lucrative than jobs from #1. This is the bread and butter of recruiting because spots are hard to fill and turn over can be high.

3. Average jobs in desirable (urban) areas. Often there is so much physician demand that these hospitals don't have to recruit much, they can just retain their own residents. But not always. Sometimes a new facility will open and they need 5 new anesthesiologists or EM docs in a very short period. Salaries are low but call schedules and benefits (time off) tend to be better because they can cover the schedule cheaper/more easily.

The highest non-elective annual pay I ever saw was $5.5m for a neurosurgeon in Alaska about a decade ago. He did pretty much nothing but work. Not one of my clients but it came out in a public divorce filing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Think about what “invasive cards” is. Think about whether or not you really think they just sit at home during home call, and what they are doing when they get called in. They rush in because someone is having a heart attack, or the sac around their heart is filling with blood, or some other terrifying thing is happening. Also, these 4-5 x / month home calls are probably one night a week M-Th, then one weekend a month Friday afternoon- Monday morning. Even just one day a week working from 8am one day to 5pm the following day has got to be rough, and I bet those weekends are brutal.
So, yes. This is the top 5% of doctors.

Also, while the “best” jobs aren’t usually offered through a recruiter, the most lucrative jobs often are. Typically, these are jobs in rural areas where there is additional compensation through Medicare for working in an underserved area, and something like invasive cards would probably cover more than one hospital.
You are offering shot jobs. Well-paid jobs, but hard jobs nonetheless.

I agree with your description of being called in although after the umpteenth time it happens they seem to desensitize to it (human nature).

I wouldn't say that's the top 5% of doctors though. That's rather a pretty typical call schedule. Most surgeons and anesthesiologists take call or work a night shift. Top few % would be a trauma, ortho, or neurosurgeon at an understaffed hospital with staffing requirements for their trauma rating. If you were young and really wanted to hustle you might do q3 or even q4 like a resident. I had a neurosurgeon client once who couldn't travel more than 45 mins away from his rural hospital for a month because there was no backup.

Yes, what people don't think through is that being on call, even from home is a hard life. I took call from home every 3 nights for about 5 years and it was difficult. I had to be within 30 minutes of the hospital floor. So if I was home I couldn't do something like go to a baseball game because there was no way I was getting down from the stands to my car and across town in 30 minutes. In this area (greater DC) I constantly had to be watching traffic because even a 5 mile commute can turn into 30 minutes. It's not easy to live your entire life within a 30 minute door-to-door drive of a hospital OR in the greater DC area!

[Anonymous]

Get your own thread on what doctors make. The OP
Is very unlikely to practice medicine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Get your own thread on what doctors make. The OP
Is very unlikely to practice medicine.

OP don't listen to the naysayers. Start here

https://www.sgu.edu/academic-programs/school-of-medicine/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a physician and this is spot on. The recruiter jobs that pay the best aren't in desirable locations and the md/dc area pays physicians worse than a lot of other areas. A lot or physicians I know aren't making $500k, although there are some very well paid specialists in the hospital I work in based on the 990. A few in the $2-3 million range. But that's the exception and they work crazy for this

I'll clarify my initial point...there are 3 buckets most of the jobs I see fall into:

1. High-paying jobs in desirable urban areas. Often private practices attached to prestigious institutions. These fill via word of mouth and often via personal connections (e.g. I know a couple cases of parent not retiring until their own child replaces them). These are the best jobs, and it's true you will never see them via an ad or a recruiter. Best way to get one is be born lucky or be an absolute rock star as a resident working alongside the partners.

2. Average jobs in undesirable (rural) areas. Lucrative for the average physician but not always more lucrative than jobs from #1. This is the bread and butter of recruiting because spots are hard to fill and turn over can be high.

3. Average jobs in desirable (urban) areas. Often there is so much physician demand that these hospitals don't have to recruit much, they can just retain their own residents. But not always. Sometimes a new facility will open and they need 5 new anesthesiologists or EM docs in a very short period. Salaries are low but call schedules and benefits (time off) tend to be better because they can cover the schedule cheaper/more easily.

The highest non-elective annual pay I ever saw was $5.5m for a neurosurgeon in Alaska about a decade ago. He did pretty much nothing but work. Not one of my clients but it came out in a public divorce filing.

A friend of mine is dating a pediatric cardiac surgeon. How much do you think that pays?

[Anonymous]

DH works in Government Relations at a firm that is one of the largest in the Federal workspace and defense and makes more than 500K a year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a physician and this is spot on. The recruiter jobs that pay the best aren't in desirable locations and the md/dc area pays physicians worse than a lot of other areas. A lot or physicians I know aren't making $500k, although there are some very well paid specialists in the hospital I work in based on the 990. A few in the $2-3 million range. But that's the exception and they work crazy for this

I'll clarify my initial point...there are 3 buckets most of the jobs I see fall into:

1. High-paying jobs in desirable urban areas. Often private practices attached to prestigious institutions. These fill via word of mouth and often via personal connections (e.g. I know a couple cases of parent not retiring until their own child replaces them). These are the best jobs, and it's true you will never see them via an ad or a recruiter. Best way to get one is be born lucky or be an absolute rock star as a resident working alongside the partners.

2. Average jobs in undesirable (rural) areas. Lucrative for the average physician but not always more lucrative than jobs from #1. This is the bread and butter of recruiting because spots are hard to fill and turn over can be high.

3. Average jobs in desirable (urban) areas. Often there is so much physician demand that these hospitals don't have to recruit much, they can just retain their own residents. But not always. Sometimes a new facility will open and they need 5 new anesthesiologists or EM docs in a very short period. Salaries are low but call schedules and benefits (time off) tend to be better because they can cover the schedule cheaper/more easily.

The highest non-elective annual pay I ever saw was $5.5m for a neurosurgeon in Alaska about a decade ago. He did pretty much nothing but work. Not one of my clients but it came out in a public divorce filing.

A friend of mine is dating a pediatric cardiac surgeon. How much do you think that pays?

Varies widely but at least $500k. They earn every penny, it's a terrible lifestyle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DH works in Government Relations at a firm that is one of the largest in the Federal workspace and defense and makes more than 500K a year.

Lobbyists make gobs of money? Never heard of that.

[Anonymous]

Contract fulfillment: Headhunting

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is obvious you are not a physician, don’t know what you are talking about, and have no idea how they are getting paid/reimbursed and what determines it. And to communicate that would derail this thread and be of no use to OP who is not a physician or has any plans to be.

I'm not a physician, nor ever claimed to be... I work on the business side of medicine which includes recruiting physicians, and I have seen a lot of real salary data for full time, part time, and locum positions across multiple specialties. Like I said, physicians have done an excellent job of hiding how much they make even from other physicians!

Most physicians are employed by the hospital system they work in...not nearly as many in private practice. If they are hospital employees, the hospital administration knows exactly how much they are making because they determined it. And no they can't "pick up another shift" in most case- many specialties don't work in shifts and are not compensated by number of hours worked. Physicians that need/want to make more money have to pick up an entirely separate job, at a different hospital all together, working locum- which as you can imagine, if hard to find a fit within driving distance for them and creates extra stress for their family life

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Get your own thread on what doctors make. The OP
Is very unlikely to practice medicine.

OP don't listen to the naysayers. Start here

https://www.sgu.edu/academic-programs/school-of-medicine/

Do you really need to go to medical school? What about the guy in "Catch me if you can"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is obvious you are not a physician, don’t know what you are talking about, and have no idea how they are getting paid/reimbursed and what determines it. And to communicate that would derail this thread and be of no use to OP who is not a physician or has any plans to be.

I'm not a physician, nor ever claimed to be... I work on the business side of medicine which includes recruiting physicians, and I have seen a lot of real salary data for full time, part time, and locum positions across multiple specialties. Like I said, physicians have done an excellent job of hiding how much they make even from other physicians!

Most physicians are employed by the hospital system they work in...not nearly as many in private practice. If they are hospital employees, the hospital administration knows exactly how much they are making because they determined it. And no they can't "pick up another shift" in most case- many specialties don't work in shifts and are not compensated by number of hours worked. Physicians that need/want to make more money have to pick up an entirely separate job, at a different hospital all together, working locum- which as you can imagine, if hard to find a fit within driving distance for them and creates extra stress for their family life

Locum availability depends where you live but in an urban area it's easy to find jobs. Licensing and credentialing is a headache but if you're motivated to do nothing but work as a physician then you will do nothing but work and you will make a lot of money, until you eventually burn out.

[Anonymous]

Here we freaking go AGAIN!

You do you, OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Think about what “invasive cards” is. Think about whether or not you really think they just sit at home during home call, and what they are doing when they get called in. They rush in because someone is having a heart attack, or the sac around their heart is filling with blood, or some other terrifying thing is happening. Also, these 4-5 x / month home calls are probably one night a week M-Th, then one weekend a month Friday afternoon- Monday morning. Even just one day a week working from 8am one day to 5pm the following day has got to be rough, and I bet those weekends are brutal.
So, yes. This is the top 5% of doctors.

Also, while the “best” jobs aren’t usually offered through a recruiter, the most lucrative jobs often are. Typically, these are jobs in rural areas where there is additional compensation through Medicare for working in an underserved area, and something like invasive cards would probably cover more than one hospital.
You are offering shot jobs. Well-paid jobs, but hard jobs nonetheless.

I agree with your description of being called in although after the umpteenth time it happens they seem to desensitize to it (human nature).

I wouldn't say that's the top 5% of doctors though. That's rather a pretty typical call schedule. Most surgeons and anesthesiologists take call or work a night shift. Top few % would be a trauma, ortho, or neurosurgeon at an understaffed hospital with staffing requirements for their trauma rating. If you were young and really wanted to hustle you might do q3 or even q4 like a resident. I had a neurosurgeon client once who couldn't travel more than 45 mins away from his rural hospital for a month because there was no backup.

Yes, what people don't think through is that being on call, even from home is a hard life. I took call from home every 3 nights for about 5 years and it was difficult. I had to be within 30 minutes of the hospital floor. So if I was home I couldn't do something like go to a baseball game because there was no way I was getting down from the stands to my car and across town in 30 minutes. In this area (greater DC) I constantly had to be watching traffic because even a 5 mile commute can turn into 30 minutes. It's not easy to live your entire life within a 30 minute door-to-door drive of a hospital OR in the greater DC area!

For 500k a year, I’ll live next door to the hospital and happily order whatever from amazon. Send family on vacation and join them via FaceTime. I’d work everyday with a smile on my face.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some Instagram influencers make a bundle! Probably still less than your current job but could you do it something to supplement?? Sounds like you have marketing experience

Is OP good looking?

OP here. I don't think looks are my meal ticket these days. I do manage people have have a leadership role now and an MBA. Just feeling like I've topped out where I am. Appreciate all the suggestions.

Sales leveraging your marketing skills. The problem is the mindset, a lot of people absolutely need to know that if they do cuz they are going to get a paycheck for $x every two weeks. If you can step out of that, and still be comfortable you may have a shot.

And before you ask, any sales. I have fiends that make $500k - 1 mil in software sales. Relative sells consulting packages brings in 750k.
I am a product sales rep and will make 550-750 this year, could make double that also.