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..., what's more important at an immediate family funeral service - participating fully with your family or following the exclusionary rules of The Churcn?

In my family we try to respect each other's religious practices. It works for us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:" Other Christians may not approach the rail - it's not their club."

It is not universally true even within the Catholic church. Ukrainian Catholic church seem to have different rules and there are other varieties overseas that have some associations with Anglicans.

The Ukrainian Church is not the Roman Catholic church, which is what we're talking about here. They have their own set of rules. Don't let the term "Catholic" trip you up.

The Ukrainian Catholics, are absolutely part of the Catholic church, they practice a different rite, and have some different rules but they are 100% Catholic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:" Other Christians may not approach the rail - it's not their club."

It is not universally true even within the Catholic church. Ukrainian Catholic church seem to have different rules and there are other varieties overseas that have some associations with Anglicans.

The Ukrainian Church is not the Roman Catholic church, which is what we're talking about here. They have their own set of rules. Don't let the term "Catholic" trip you up.

The Ukrainian Catholics, are absolutely part of the Catholic church, they practice a different rite, and have some different rules but they are 100% Catholic.

You are saying the exact same thing that she just said..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

..., what's more important at an immediate family funeral service - participating fully with your family or following the exclusionary rules of The Churcn?

In my family we try to respect each other's religious practices. It works for us.

It could be a more comfortable form of intimacy -- intend of relating directly to each other, you relate via your different religions, gaining respect for being deferent to each other's religion instead of for understanding people as individuals.

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Anonymous wrote:There are the rules and there is the practice.... If teddy Kennedy could take catholic communion, and I am pretty sure this lady's husband can, too.

But Teddy Kennedy was a baptized catholic who made a confession and was absolved of his sins by a Catholic priest. If this lady's husband hasn't done that, then he can't go to communion. Period -- It has nothing to do with an outsider's analysis of how deserving he is. It has to do with following the rules of the church.

Yes, and no. Some sins must be corrected before approaching the rail (as in former wives, adultery, annulments, etc. so all the confessing in the world won't help you until you've paid your debts and bought your right back to the communion rail - and, yes that is often with $$). As to Episcopaians, it is totally inappropriate to go to the rail for a Catholic communion. Those are just the rules and if you are sitting in their church, you should abide by them. No one but a Catholic in good standing, having confessed and in a state of grace can approach - much of these fules comes from the belief of transubstantian. Other Christians may not approach the rail - it's not their club. No Episcopalians or Anglicans (even a priest) went to the rail during an immediate family member's funeral mass. It is simply not done and is an affront to the Catholic church and its members (not that I care all that much, but it is). DH's husband is wrong to do it.

There is no rule in the Catholic church about "approaching the rail". There is a rule about taking the sacrament, but everyone is welcome to approach and be blessed by the priest or extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is very similar. As for communion, my Episcopalian DH takes communion at Catholic mass and it has never been an issue (we've been to a lot of Catholic weddings)

In the parish I'm now attending, there's a remark in the front of the book we use during Mass that says, "We are sorry that we cannot invite other Christians to receive Communion". The priests aren't checking to see that everyone is a Catholic, any more than they're checking how long people have fasted, or whatever, but it would be more respectful of other people's religion to refrain.

LOL. They're not sorry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are the rules and there is the practice.... If teddy Kennedy could take catholic communion, and I am pretty sure this lady's husband can, too.

But Teddy Kennedy was a baptized catholic who made a confession and was absolved of his sins by a Catholic priest. If this lady's husband hasn't done that, then he can't go to communion. Period -- It has nothing to do with an outsider's analysis of how deserving he is. It has to do with following the rules of the church.

Yes, and no. Some sins must be corrected before approaching the rail (as in former wives, adultery, annulments, etc. so all the confessing in the world won't help you until you've paid your debts and bought your right back to the communion rail - and, yes that is often with $$). As to Episcopaians, it is totally inappropriate to go to the rail for a Catholic communion. Those are just the rules and if you are sitting in their church, you should abide by them. No one but a Catholic in good standing, having confessed and in a state of grace can approach - much of these fules comes from the belief of transubstantian. Other Christians may not approach the rail - it's not their club. No Episcopalians or Anglicans (even a priest) went to the rail during an immediate family member's funeral mass. It is simply not done and is an affront to the Catholic church and its members (not that I care all that much, but it is). DH's husband is wrong to do it.

There is no rule in the Catholic church about "approaching the rail". There is a rule about taking the sacrament, but everyone is welcome to approach and be blessed by the priest or extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion.

You can approach the rail if you're not in a state of grace and cross your arms over your chest, signifying that you are not worthy of the sacrament but would like a blessing from the priest. They are counting on people being honest about their moral state and being willing to tell the whole community -- at least those watching -- that they are not Catholics in good standing who do not want to sully the church with their sin, but do want some measure of participation in the ritual. It's very kind of the church to allow people like this to approach the rail -- it wasn't always like this. In the past, a person in this condition just had to sit in the pews while other approached the rail and took communion. Everyone knew they were sinful. Now it's not so obvious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very similar. As for communion, my Episcopalian DH takes communion at Catholic mass and it has never been an issue (we've been to a lot of Catholic weddings)

In the parish I'm now attending, there's a remark in the front of the book we use during Mass that says, "We are sorry that we cannot invite other Christians to receive Communion". The priests aren't checking to see that everyone is a Catholic, any more than they're checking how long people have fasted, or whatever, but it would be more respectful of other people's religion to refrain.

LOL. They're not sorry.

There is much more to respect in the Catholic church than in some other churches that welcome all comers to communion. Catholics have many, many rules and many ways in which they can be offended. This does not prevent them from tolerating pedophilia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very similar. As for communion, my Episcopalian DH takes communion at Catholic mass and it has never been an issue (we've been to a lot of Catholic weddings)

In the parish I'm now attending, there's a remark in the front of the book we use during Mass that says, "We are sorry that we cannot invite other Christians to receive Communion". The priests aren't checking to see that everyone is a Catholic, any more than they're checking how long people have fasted, or whatever, but it would be more respectful of other people's religion to refrain.

LOL. They're not sorry.

There is much more to respect in the Catholic church than in some other churches that welcome all comers to communion. Catholics have many, many rules and many ways in which they can be offended. This does not prevent them from tolerating pedophilia.

They don't really respect anyone or anything that they claim they do - children, marriage, other Christians, and on and on and on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very similar. As for communion, my Episcopalian DH takes communion at Catholic mass and it has never been an issue (we've been to a lot of Catholic weddings)

In the parish I'm now attending, there's a remark in the front of the book we use during Mass that says, "We are sorry that we cannot invite other Christians to receive Communion". The priests aren't checking to see that everyone is a Catholic, any more than they're checking how long people have fasted, or whatever, but it would be more respectful of other people's religion to refrain.

LOL. They're not sorry.

There is much more to respect in the Catholic church than in some other churches that welcome all comers to communion. Catholics have many, many rules and many ways in which they can be offended. This does not prevent them from tolerating pedophilia.

They don't really respect anyone or anything that they claim they do - children, marriage, other Christians, and on and on and on.

Many individual Catholics are good people who like the tradition of the church. There are some good priests, too, but all are supporting an institution that has been corrupt for centuries.