The Crash documentary

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Anonymous wrote:Why were the parents letting her live with her BF as a 17 yo?!

The first thing that stuck out to me about her parents and their parenting style was when she said she moved in with Dom right after she graduated high school. I was like, huh?

If my math is correct She hadn’t even graduated yet. She was 17 at the time of the crash and they had attended a graduation party earlier that evening. So she has a summer birthday and she moved in with Dom during her senior year? That’s crazy !

Thst was my understanding. She was living with him before graduation.

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Anonymous wrote:Why were the parents letting her live with her BF as a 17 yo?!

Because they Aren’t Like Other Parents. They trust their kids judgement over all else. The school sending her home over discipline issues? Too many lame rules to follow? Smoking marijuana while driving and posting videos of it on the internet? It’s just pot. They don’t set boundaries. They let her live her life and it’s never been a problem.

I still can’t believe the parents were so delusional after their daughter — at best, accidentally killed two people while under the influence and, at worst, intentionally drove into a wall at 90 mph with no regard for the other occupants of the vehicle. The whole family seemed to have no remorse.

Intentionally?
Was that proven or just speculated?
She would have had to be very suicidal to be intentional.

Data from the car indicated she had her foot fully depressed on the gas and that there was no attempt at braking. There was an attempt to shift the car from drive to neutral.

And she practiced the route a few days before hand, multiple times. It wasn't in the documentary, but Netflix likes to leave things out. It was on the Hulu version.

What’s the name of the Hulu version

There's not another proper documentary about it, but there are two crime doc shows that feature the case.
"Killer Cases" S3, E12 (Murder on Wheels)
"Mean Girl Murders" S2, E7 (Under the Influence)

For the record - the Killer Cases episode is S4E12. (I’m gearing up for a killer rainy Friday night…)

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Her parents were a piece of work. There’s also a video of them at the police station right after Mackenzie’s arrest, trying to get her phone back. The mother is frantically telling the officer the phone belongs to her and that she needs it because she has another child to take care of. Meanwhile, the dad keeps asking if he can go back and talk to Mackenzie. He was also aggressively telling the officer not to question Mackenzie because she had a lawyer and that they not to ask her any questions.

The cop kept explaining that Mackenzie was an adult and could tell them herself if she didn’t want to answer questions, and that if she wanted a lawyer, she could say that on her own. The officer also repeatedly told them they would not be able to see her and they can not just go get the phone from her.

Then there are those videos of Mackenzie and her mom speaking that gibberish language to each other, kind of like pig latin. One time was while she was still recovering in the hospital. Mackenzie asked the officer if she could ask her mom something, the officer said yes, and then she started talking to her mom in the gibberish language. It was interpreted as her saying, “Can’t we just tell the officer I had a seizure?”

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She should have never handed over her phone. They cannot legally look through it without a warrant. She was not smart enough to understand that.

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Anonymous wrote:Her parents were a piece of work. There’s also a video of them at the police station right after Mackenzie’s arrest, trying to get her phone back. The mother is frantically telling the officer the phone belongs to her and that she needs it because she has another child to take care of. Meanwhile, the dad keeps asking if he can go back and talk to Mackenzie. He was also aggressively telling the officer not to question Mackenzie because she had a lawyer and that they not to ask her any questions.

The cop kept explaining that Mackenzie was an adult and could tell them herself if she didn’t want to answer questions, and that if she wanted a lawyer, she could say that on her own. The officer also repeatedly told them they would not be able to see her and they can not just go get the phone from her.

Then there are those videos of Mackenzie and her mom speaking that gibberish language to each other, kind of like pig latin. One time was while she was still recovering in the hospital. Mackenzie asked the officer if she could ask her mom something, the officer said yes, and then she started talking to her mom in the gibberish language. It was interpreted as her saying, “Can’t we just tell the officer I had a seizure?”

But wasn't she 17? Not a legal adult?

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I've yet to see someone propose that she did this for more attention online. Given the phone call conversations. Sort of like that Mom bully. Willing to kill for more likes.

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I just finished watching this & I think she was like 80% guilty on killing these two young men.

I do not think her POTS disorder was responsible by making her black out.
I do agree that had she lost consciousness while driving - there would not have been so much pressure on the vehicle’s accelerator.

But where my doubt comes in is how could someone plan a car crash where only the passengers would die >> yet the driver would survive??
Like if I was driving a car…..and had the intent on killing only my passengers and not myself……I would not know how to institute driving into a building w/o killing myself along w/my passengers.

I mean, she was also very young to possess that ability.

But the evidence of her driving at such a high rate of speed along w/there being no evidence that the crash was due to a mechanical failure paints her more in a guilty light imo.
Plus she didn’t appear too remorseful in the following days nor did she appear so in the documentary interview from prison either……

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Her parents seemed very enabling, it was odd to me how they were so accepting of their daughter smoking pot everyday.
Her father talked about it like it was the greatest thing ever created even!
I think they spoiled Mackenzie rotten her entire life.

** I am on the fence on whether or not she intentionally murdered Dom + Davion.
I mean, the fact that she didn’t have any recollection of the event wasn’t so unusual as most people who go through something like that have zero recollection.
I suspect trauma plays a huge factor.

But the video of her car seconds before the accident looks like the driver was intentionally driving the car at the rate of speed that it was going.
Anyone driving at that speed could have time to swerve prior to crashing into an entire building!?

But the documentary doesn’t give a logical explanation how Mackenzie could crash the car into the building making sure the victims died but that only she survived?
Because I don’t see her wanting to die alongside them.

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She graduated in May/June at age 17. Her birthday was a few days after the July 30th crash. She talked about how Davion moved in with her and Dom that summer so I assume she meant June/July.

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Anonymous wrote:Her parents seemed very enabling, it was odd to me how they were so accepting of their daughter smoking pot everyday.
Her father talked about it like it was the greatest thing ever created even!
I think they spoiled Mackenzie rotten her entire life.

** I am on the fence on whether or not she intentionally murdered Dom + Davion.
I mean, the fact that she didn’t have any recollection of the event wasn’t so unusual as most people who go through something like that have zero recollection.
I suspect trauma plays a huge factor.

But the video of her car seconds before the accident looks like the driver was intentionally driving the car at the rate of speed that it was going.
Anyone driving at that speed could have time to swerve prior to crashing into an entire building!?

But the documentary doesn’t give a logical explanation how Mackenzie could crash the car into the building making sure the victims died but that only she survived?
Because I don’t see her wanting to die alongside them.

I’m not seeing the issue. She clearly just accepted the risk that she might die but tried to do it in a way where she wouldn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Her parents seemed very enabling, it was odd to me how they were so accepting of their daughter smoking pot everyday.
Her father talked about it like it was the greatest thing ever created even!
I think they spoiled Mackenzie rotten her entire life.

** I am on the fence on whether or not she intentionally murdered Dom + Davion.
I mean, the fact that she didn’t have any recollection of the event wasn’t so unusual as most people who go through something like that have zero recollection.
I suspect trauma plays a huge factor.

But the video of her car seconds before the accident looks like the driver was intentionally driving the car at the rate of speed that it was going.
Anyone driving at that speed could have time to swerve prior to crashing into an entire building!?

But the documentary doesn’t give a logical explanation how Mackenzie could crash the car into the building making sure the victims died but that only she survived?
Because I don’t see her wanting to die alongside them.

I’m not seeing the issue. She clearly just accepted the risk that she might die but tried to do it in a way where she wouldn’t.

She was wearing her seatbelt, the boys were not.

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When I was 17 I was in a car accident where my friend, another teenager, was driving his car way too fast around the turns out River Road. We got to the 90 degree turn to the left- having been familiar with that stretch of the road I warned him to slow down for the turn- he laughed and gunned it.

Car was totalled into a tree, I got a head injury, another teenage passenger racked himself so bad he became sterile, another injured his back.

He wasn’t trying to kill us, just an egotistical a$$hole in a fast car who thought he was invincible, as we all did. We all could have died. There by the grace of god go we.

So I’m on the fence as to her intent. Maybe she was trying to scare him to prove a point? Maybe she was just that dumb. Or maybe she was trying to take them all out (although I think Davion was collateral damage). Admittedly her character and that of her parents haven’t helped her defense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Her parents seemed very enabling, it was odd to me how they were so accepting of their daughter smoking pot everyday.
Her father talked about it like it was the greatest thing ever created even!
I think they spoiled Mackenzie rotten her entire life.

** I am on the fence on whether or not she intentionally murdered Dom + Davion.
I mean, the fact that she didn’t have any recollection of the event wasn’t so unusual as most people who go through something like that have zero recollection.
I suspect trauma plays a huge factor.

But the video of her car seconds before the accident looks like the driver was intentionally driving the car at the rate of speed that it was going.
Anyone driving at that speed could have time to swerve prior to crashing into an entire building!?

But the documentary doesn’t give a logical explanation how Mackenzie could crash the car into the building making sure the victims died but that only she survived?
Because I don’t see her wanting to die alongside them.

It seem pretty obvious what happened. She became enraged and drove the car into a wall. Two people died but she was lucky to survive. That's it.

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I think she was willing to die in the crash.
It was just dumb luck that she survived.
She may be out on parole by the time she is in her mid-30’s if she behaves in prison so she can still lead a normal life later on (family, marriage, career, etc.)
She likely can earn a college degree while imprisoned.

Sadly for the two victims as well as their families - nothing like that will ever come to fruition like that for them.
They are gone forever.

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I find it crazy that the parents would show up at the sentencing wearing a sleeveless t shirt. I know it sounds superficial, but this is a moment you are pleading for your daughter’s life and future. If this isn’t a day to at least throw on a button down shirt or proper blouse, what is? Makes me feel they really didn’t take the whole thing seriously at all.