Confirmed measles case in Virginia, local spread suspected

[Anonymous]

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Huh? Regardless of the demographics of Patient Zero, viral spread (and subsequent mutations) happens when there is a sufficient vulnerable population - e.g., unvaccinated people. In a perfect world, the vulnerable population would "just" be infants and the immunocompromised, but now you've got millions of unvaccinated school-age children in that camp who can catch and further spread it, plus adults who refuse boosters when it would be medically advised. Those unvaccinated children and vaccine-refusing adults are overwhelmingly MAGA/MAHA. Facts don't care about your feelings.


So ignore patient zero and all of their close contacts? That's a really effective strategy.

You know what is an effective strategy? try to identify and isolate those with measles AND ensure herd immunity through widespread vaccination.

Also, yes, greater percentage of MAGA is definitely vaccine (and science) skeptical. But there's also the fringe liberal left who don't vaccinate either.

The common denominator among many vaccine skeptics is lack of trust and faith in science/institutions; tendency to privilege intuitive/anecdotal reasoning over statistical reasoning (and being science illiterate); consumption of media that affirms and echoes cultural and political beliefs; a deep desire for certainty over uncertainty, in part as a way to feel more powerful in a challenging and unmoored time; self-concept as being more informed and can see "the truth" where others cant; etc.

In other words, social and cultural influences, combined with personality traits and access to media, really can shape all kinds of beliefs. I believe that many people, when faced with the existential crisis of our powerlessness in the world (and esp in contemporaray capitalism) seek clarity and certainty by divding the world into black/white, right/wrong, and by seeking to locate their own feelings of powerlessness and lack of agency in some vague idea of "the elite", "experts," etc. `

You're still ignoring all the travelers who keep importing the virus and bringing it back to our communities and schools. Why is it so hard to call them out? Every single one of these cases originates from someone traveling while unvaccinated. It's not your poor MAGA from Kentucky, by the way.

Yep. And you, too. Both responsible. You're not a child -- grow up, and act like it. This whining is pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will we ever be able to reverse this trend?

It’s just so sad to think of all these kids being taught by their parents that vaccines are evil and it’s better to get sick and take your chances. What will they be like as adults. Not to mention all those who are unfairly put at risk.

Depends if the US returns to science/facts again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will we ever be able to reverse this trend?

It’s just so sad to think of all these kids being taught by their parents that vaccines are evil and it’s better to get sick and take your chances. What will they be like as adults. Not to mention all those who are unfairly put at risk.

Depends if the US returns to science/facts again.

It's probably going to get worse before it gets better. We're seeing decreased vaccination rates in babies today, when the kids get older and start circulating more in the population, it's going to get worse. It's fixable if that behavior can be corrected (the kids can be vaccinated) but red states are removing the common decision points where parents get kids vaccinated (school registration).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


Huh? Regardless of the demographics of Patient Zero, viral spread (and subsequent mutations) happens when there is a sufficient vulnerable population - e.g., unvaccinated people. In a perfect world, the vulnerable population would "just" be infants and the immunocompromised, but now you've got millions of unvaccinated school-age children in that camp who can catch and further spread it, plus adults who refuse boosters when it would be medically advised. Those unvaccinated children and vaccine-refusing adults are overwhelmingly MAGA/MAHA. Facts don't care about your feelings.


So ignore patient zero and all of their close contacts? That's a really effective strategy.

You know what is an effective strategy? try to identify and isolate those with measles AND ensure herd immunity through widespread vaccination.

Also, yes, greater percentage of MAGA is definitely vaccine (and science) skeptical. But there's also the fringe liberal left who don't vaccinate either.

The common denominator among many vaccine skeptics is lack of trust and faith in science/institutions; tendency to privilege intuitive/anecdotal reasoning over statistical reasoning (and being science illiterate); consumption of media that affirms and echoes cultural and political beliefs; a deep desire for certainty over uncertainty, in part as a way to feel more powerful in a challenging and unmoored time; self-concept as being more informed and can see "the truth" where others cant; etc.

In other words, social and cultural influences, combined with personality traits and access to media, really can shape all kinds of beliefs. I believe that many people, when faced with the existential crisis of our powerlessness in the world (and esp in contemporaray capitalism) seek clarity and certainty by divding the world into black/white, right/wrong, and by seeking to locate their own feelings of powerlessness and lack of agency in some vague idea of "the elite", "experts," etc. `

You're still ignoring all the travelers who keep importing the virus and bringing it back to our communities and schools. Why is it so hard to call them out? Every single one of these cases originates from someone traveling while unvaccinated. It's not your poor MAGA from Kentucky, by the way.

Yep. And you, too. Both responsible. You're not a child -- grow up, and act like it. This whining is pathetic.

Acknowledging reality is whining? Interesting. I guess you should wear triple masks when out and about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


Huh? Regardless of the demographics of Patient Zero, viral spread (and subsequent mutations) happens when there is a sufficient vulnerable population - e.g., unvaccinated people. In a perfect world, the vulnerable population would "just" be infants and the immunocompromised, but now you've got millions of unvaccinated school-age children in that camp who can catch and further spread it, plus adults who refuse boosters when it would be medically advised. Those unvaccinated children and vaccine-refusing adults are overwhelmingly MAGA/MAHA. Facts don't care about your feelings.


So ignore patient zero and all of their close contacts? That's a really effective strategy.

You know what is an effective strategy? try to identify and isolate those with measles AND ensure herd immunity through widespread vaccination.

Also, yes, greater percentage of MAGA is definitely vaccine (and science) skeptical. But there's also the fringe liberal left who don't vaccinate either.

The common denominator among many vaccine skeptics is lack of trust and faith in science/institutions; tendency to privilege intuitive/anecdotal reasoning over statistical reasoning (and being science illiterate); consumption of media that affirms and echoes cultural and political beliefs; a deep desire for certainty over uncertainty, in part as a way to feel more powerful in a challenging and unmoored time; self-concept as being more informed and can see "the truth" where others cant; etc.

In other words, social and cultural influences, combined with personality traits and access to media, really can shape all kinds of beliefs. I believe that many people, when faced with the existential crisis of our powerlessness in the world (and esp in contemporaray capitalism) seek clarity and certainty by divding the world into black/white, right/wrong, and by seeking to locate their own feelings of powerlessness and lack of agency in some vague idea of "the elite", "experts," etc. `

You're still ignoring all the travelers who keep importing the virus and bringing it back to our communities and schools. Why is it so hard to call them out? Every single one of these cases originates from someone traveling while unvaccinated. It's not your poor MAGA from Kentucky, by the way.

Yep. And you, too. Both responsible. You're not a child -- grow up, and act like it. This whining is pathetic.

Acknowledging reality is whining? Interesting. I guess you should wear triple masks when out and about.

Yeah, little baby ... whining.

If someone else does something wrong, that doesn't absolve you of all responsibility for all of your choices. You still own your own mistakes.

Grow up and stop expecting other people to take care of you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


Huh? Regardless of the demographics of Patient Zero, viral spread (and subsequent mutations) happens when there is a sufficient vulnerable population - e.g., unvaccinated people. In a perfect world, the vulnerable population would "just" be infants and the immunocompromised, but now you've got millions of unvaccinated school-age children in that camp who can catch and further spread it, plus adults who refuse boosters when it would be medically advised. Those unvaccinated children and vaccine-refusing adults are overwhelmingly MAGA/MAHA. Facts don't care about your feelings.


So ignore patient zero and all of their close contacts? That's a really effective strategy.

You know what is an effective strategy? try to identify and isolate those with measles AND ensure herd immunity through widespread vaccination.

Also, yes, greater percentage of MAGA is definitely vaccine (and science) skeptical. But there's also the fringe liberal left who don't vaccinate either.

The common denominator among many vaccine skeptics is lack of trust and faith in science/institutions; tendency to privilege intuitive/anecdotal reasoning over statistical reasoning (and being science illiterate); consumption of media that affirms and echoes cultural and political beliefs; a deep desire for certainty over uncertainty, in part as a way to feel more powerful in a challenging and unmoored time; self-concept as being more informed and can see "the truth" where others cant; etc.

In other words, social and cultural influences, combined with personality traits and access to media, really can shape all kinds of beliefs. I believe that many people, when faced with the existential crisis of our powerlessness in the world (and esp in contemporaray capitalism) seek clarity and certainty by divding the world into black/white, right/wrong, and by seeking to locate their own feelings of powerlessness and lack of agency in some vague idea of "the elite", "experts," etc. `

You're still ignoring all the travelers who keep importing the virus and bringing it back to our communities and schools. Why is it so hard to call them out? Every single one of these cases originates from someone traveling while unvaccinated. It's not your poor MAGA from Kentucky, by the way.

Yep. And you, too. Both responsible. You're not a child -- grow up, and act like it. This whining is pathetic.

Acknowledging reality is whining? Interesting. I guess you should wear triple masks when out and about.

Yeah, little baby ... whining.

If someone else does something wrong, that doesn't absolve you of all responsibility for all of your choices. You still own your own mistakes.

Grow up and stop expecting other people to take care of you.

WTF are you even talking about? My entire family is fully vaccinated. But that's not going to help us from adults who travel and constantly bring back hantavirus, measles, ebola, a new form of Covid. Wake up.

[Anonymous]

If you want to advocate for laws that prohibit people from leaving the country, go ahead. Until then, take the responsibility you are due -- same as everyone else.

People shouldn't bring back contagious illness from trips, especially if it is secondary to not taking proper precautions, including vaccinations. EQUALLY SO, people should not be in community here without taking proper precautions that prevent having contagion spreading like a match to a cardboard box.

The one does not negate the other. Again, grow up.

[Anonymous]

You know there are more threads about this outbreak than deaths right?

Statistically speaking it’s probably more dangerous to drive to the doctor’s to get the shot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


Huh? Regardless of the demographics of Patient Zero, viral spread (and subsequent mutations) happens when there is a sufficient vulnerable population - e.g., unvaccinated people. In a perfect world, the vulnerable population would "just" be infants and the immunocompromised, but now you've got millions of unvaccinated school-age children in that camp who can catch and further spread it, plus adults who refuse boosters when it would be medically advised. Those unvaccinated children and vaccine-refusing adults are overwhelmingly MAGA/MAHA. Facts don't care about your feelings.


So ignore patient zero and all of their close contacts? That's a really effective strategy.

You know what is an effective strategy? try to identify and isolate those with measles AND ensure herd immunity through widespread vaccination.

Also, yes, greater percentage of MAGA is definitely vaccine (and science) skeptical. But there's also the fringe liberal left who don't vaccinate either.

The common denominator among many vaccine skeptics is lack of trust and faith in science/institutions; tendency to privilege intuitive/anecdotal reasoning over statistical reasoning (and being science illiterate); consumption of media that affirms and echoes cultural and political beliefs; a deep desire for certainty over uncertainty, in part as a way to feel more powerful in a challenging and unmoored time; self-concept as being more informed and can see "the truth" where others cant; etc.

In other words, social and cultural influences, combined with personality traits and access to media, really can shape all kinds of beliefs. I believe that many people, when faced with the existential crisis of our powerlessness in the world (and esp in contemporaray capitalism) seek clarity and certainty by divding the world into black/white, right/wrong, and by seeking to locate their own feelings of powerlessness and lack of agency in some vague idea of "the elite", "experts," etc. `

You're still ignoring all the travelers who keep importing the virus and bringing it back to our communities and schools. Why is it so hard to call them out? Every single one of these cases originates from someone traveling while unvaccinated. It's not your poor MAGA from Kentucky, by the way.

Yep. And you, too. Both responsible. You're not a child -- grow up, and act like it. This whining is pathetic.

Acknowledging reality is whining? Interesting. I guess you should wear triple masks when out and about.

Yeah, little baby ... whining.

If someone else does something wrong, that doesn't absolve you of all responsibility for all of your choices. You still own your own mistakes.

Grow up and stop expecting other people to take care of you.

WTF are you even talking about? My entire family is fully vaccinated. But that's not going to help us from adults who travel and constantly bring back hantavirus, measles, ebola, a new form of Covid. Wake up.

+1 its crazy how stupid some people are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
If you want to advocate for laws that prohibit people from leaving the country, go ahead. Until then, take the responsibility you are due -- same as everyone else.

People shouldn't bring back contagious illness from trips, especially if it is secondary to not taking proper precautions, including vaccinations. EQUALLY SO, people should not be in community here without taking proper precautions that prevent having contagion spreading like a match to a cardboard box.

The one does not negate the other. Again, grow up.

Grow up? You sound like an toddler stomping your feet. Leaving the country isn’t exactly a problem. You’re the one squawking, take responsibility for yourself. Stay home in your little protective bubble because nothing is going to change.

[Anonymous]

The cases in Buckingham County VA are more because of the populations of Amish and Mennonite, than MAGA.