Teams that are diversity friendly

[Anonymous]

This thread took a pretty sharp political turn in the last 2 posts. It’s completely fair for OP to be frustrated if the coach’s rotation and playing-time philosophy haven’t aligned with what their DD hoped for this season. But accusing a coach of racism is a very serious and specific claim.

A coach choosing a lineup that consistently favors certain players does not automatically mean the decision is racially motivated. Sometimes coaches simply settle on the rotation they believe gives the team the best chance to compete and stick with it for the season. Sometimes coaches stick with those rotations, even when they are struggling, because that is also a developmental opportunity. Whether people agree with those philosophies or not, it’s fairly common in club volleyball.

To use a neutral example: if a coach genuinely believed the strongest lineup happened to include mostly red-haired players, that alone would not necessarily mean they were biased against everyone else. Correlation by itself is not proof of discriminatory intent.

The difficult reality of club sports is that no family really knows in November exactly how playing time will shake out by March. That’s why it’s important to ask direct questions during tryout season about coaching philosophy, substitutions, and expectations around development vs. winning. Some clubs emphasize equal development opportunities; others prioritize fixed competitive rotations. Families have to decide which environment is the best fit for their player.

That said, if OP’s DD experienced actual racist comments, harassment, bullying, or differential treatment tied specifically to race, that is absolutely serious and should be documented and reported to both CHRVA and USAV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread took a pretty sharp political turn in the last 2 posts. It’s completely fair for OP to be frustrated if the coach’s rotation and playing-time philosophy haven’t aligned with what their DD hoped for this season. But accusing a coach of racism is a very serious and specific claim.

A coach choosing a lineup that consistently favors certain players does not automatically mean the decision is racially motivated. Sometimes coaches simply settle on the rotation they believe gives the team the best chance to compete and stick with it for the season. Sometimes coaches stick with those rotations, even when they are struggling, because that is also a developmental opportunity. Whether people agree with those philosophies or not, it’s fairly common in club volleyball.

To use a neutral example: if a coach genuinely believed the strongest lineup happened to include mostly red-haired players, that alone would not necessarily mean they were biased against everyone else. Correlation by itself is not proof of discriminatory intent.

The difficult reality of club sports is that no family really knows in November exactly how playing time will shake out by March. That’s why it’s important to ask direct questions during tryout season about coaching philosophy, substitutions, and expectations around development vs. winning. Some clubs emphasize equal development opportunities; others prioritize fixed competitive rotations. Families have to decide which environment is the best fit for their player.

That said, if OP’s DD experienced actual racist comments, harassment, bullying, or differential treatment tied specifically to race, that is absolutely serious and should be documented and reported to both CHRVA and USAV.

I could agree with most of your post. Except that posts got political. When a PP talks about white folks being tired about listening to discussions about racism, that person needs to understand the reality that some people still live every day. White folks don't get it because it doesn't happen to them. Some people need this reminder every once in a while. Otherwise they become entitled to becoming tired of listening to discussions about racial discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Sad but true.

[Anonymous]

I'm not brand new to volleyball or racism. You don't have to explain either of those things to me. There's no need to defend the coaching decisions of a coach you never met.

Before you write another patronizing essay, think about why you feel the need to do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not brand new to volleyball or racism. You don't have to explain either of those things to me. There's no need to defend the coaching decisions of a coach you never met.

Before you write another patronizing essay, think about why you feel the need to do that.

Maybe you don't need the "essay", but at least one person on this thread definitely does. What you call an "essay" was a reaction to the person saying that white people are tired of hearing about racism. The "essay" was meant to educate that person, not to patronize you. It was not meant for people who understand racism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not brand new to volleyball or racism. You don't have to explain either of those things to me. There's no need to defend the coaching decisions of a coach you never met.

Before you write another patronizing essay, think about why you feel the need to do that.

Maybe you don't need the "essay", but at least one person on this thread definitely does. What you call an "essay" was a reaction to the person saying that white people are tired of hearing about racism. The "essay" was meant to educate that person, not to patronize you. It was not meant for people who understand racism.

Ignore them. It's a time suck and a huge distraction from addressing the issue.

[Anonymous]

“It’s not stress that kills us, it is our reaction to it.”
— Hans Selye

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not brand new to volleyball or racism. You don't have to explain either of those things to me. There's no need to defend the coaching decisions of a coach you never met.

Before you write another patronizing essay, think about why you feel the need to do that.

Maybe you don't need the "essay", but at least one person on this thread definitely does. What you call an "essay" was a reaction to the person saying that white people are tired of hearing about racism. The "essay" was meant to educate that person, not to patronize you. It was not meant for people who understand racism.

Ignore them. It's a time suck and a huge distraction from addressing the issue.

We've been ignoring them for far too long and they now believe that their thinking is legitimate. This thread will turn political if I give you examples of how things turned out.

[Anonymous]

Just report.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not brand new to volleyball or racism. You don't have to explain either of those things to me. There's no need to defend the coaching decisions of a coach you never met.

Before you write another patronizing essay, think about why you feel the need to do that.

You just can't stop. Not everything is about race. Unless you can show actual racism..not just anger over playing time... get over it. And your snowflake too. If it were real you weights have reported it somewhere besides DCUM.

[Anonymous]

It's definitely real but too scared to report it? Come on, now. The real reason is that OP is scared the valid reasons might be introduced to explain coaching decisions. Such as OPs kid and the others missed too many practices, were unreliable, not good team players, untalented, there are many explanations.

[Anonymous]

as a black woman with black kids, if the discrimination were real you would better believe I would report it without hesitating.
As someone who has experienced real racism and discrimination and unfortunately so have my kids, not playing them in sports where playing time is not guaranteed is not racism or discriminating against them.

OP, it is just as dangerous to say you have had discrimination against you or your kid without taking action where it is deserved. I trust you if you say it happened, but you need to report it or you are not helping anyone including your own kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:as a black woman with black kids, if the discrimination were real you would better believe I would report it without hesitating.
As someone who has experienced real racism and discrimination and unfortunately so have my kids, not playing them in sports where playing time is not guaranteed is not racism or discriminating against them.

OP, it is just as dangerous to say you have had discrimination against you or your kid without taking action where it is deserved. I trust you if you say it happened, but you need to report it or you are not helping anyone including your own kid.

I'm talking about the post. Jeff is quick to delete a post and lock a thread.

I have a plan to deal with the organization. USA Volleyball probably gets thousands of race-based complaints every year. It's a waste of time.

Also, coaches almost always get the benefit of the doubt. People assume that all coaches want and know how to win. Like on here, these people act like they have known the coach for years.

You have to be smart to do any damage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not brand new to volleyball or racism. You don't have to explain either of those things to me. There's no need to defend the coaching decisions of a coach you never met.

Before you write another patronizing essay, think about why you feel the need to do that.

You just can't stop. Not everything is about race. Unless you can show actual racism..not just anger over playing time... get over it. And your snowflake too. If it were real you weights have reported it somewhere besides DCUM.