Dartmouth finally publishes their SAT data in the Common Data Set after dropping TO; white enrollment surges

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Anonymous wrote:At the other end of the spectrum, Hopkins saw 50% of their class of 2029 made up of Asian Americans. What gives?

At a guess, high-scoring white kids tend to pick Dartmouth over Hopkins, while high-scoring Asian kids tend to pick Hopkins over Dartmouth.

Also, Dartmouth really focuses on taking kids from the top 10% of their high school class. That might hurt Asian kids, because they tend to be clustered in a small number of high-performing high schools.

Hopkins is famous in taking top 10% of the class. This doesn’t make any sense!

If anything, Hopkins takes a higher percentage of the class that is Top 10% than Dartmouth.

Jhu are 100% top 10% of class, not even MIT.

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Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth has always leaned conservative, white frat type. Partly due to location.

I think this is correct. I also think less Asians apply to Dartmouth - but not that much less that the percentage would go down. There is still bias (conscious or not) for white applicants (and against Asian applicants). Dartmouth probably doesn't want the Asian population to grow exponentially as it did on other campuses. There are definitely markers on the application that point to the applicant's race and background.

Dartmouth doesn't have engineering, which limits its appeal for many students, including many Asians. You generally don't see many Asians interested in SLACs in the middle of nowhere, which is essentially what Dartmouth is.

False.

Saying Dartmouth does not have engineering is like saying Brown does not have engineering. The two schools are similar in that respect, yet Brown is now close to 40% Asian.

Dartmouth should still be attractive to many Asian applicants, especially premed students, and also students interested in economics, government, and the humanities. Georgetown does not have engineering at all, and it is close to 30% Asian.

As a PP pointed out, some SLACs have a higher percentage of Asian students than Dartmouth. Carleton and Wellesley are good examples.

So I do not buy the “no engineering” explanation. The numbers look much more like the result of active discrimination, and the surge in white enrollment only reinforces that impression.

Dartmouth has an AB in “engineering science” that us possible in 4 yrs. For the BE, which is the only ABET accredited degree, it takes a 5th year at Dartmouth.
Engineering at Brown may be weak but at least a 4 yr BS in engineering is possible at Brown.

The 5th yr to get a real engineering degree is a major turnoff and yes it disproportionally affects asian applicants

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Anonymous wrote:Um, Dartmouth DOES have engineering. The Thayer School of Engineering. No idea how this impacts this ridiculous claims re Asians but at least get your facts straight.

The people saying it doesn't have engineering is because it doesn't have the traditional engineering majors/school. These are the "engineering" majors at Dartmouth;


Majors
Engineering Sciences
Biomedical Engineering Sciences
Engineering Physics
Bachelor of Engineering
Human-Centered Design
Materials Science

Someone who wants to be an actual engineer would not attend Dartmouth

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https://engineering.dartmouth.edu/undergraduate/ab/majors#majors

only authentic engineering major is biomedical engineering. and its probably better to go to johns hopkins or georgia tech since they are tied for #1 since DCUM cares so much about rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:https://engineering.dartmouth.edu/undergraduate/ab/majors#majors

only authentic engineering major is biomedical engineering. and its probably better to go to johns hopkins or georgia tech since they are tied for #1 since DCUM cares so much about rankings.

the only ABET major they have is bachelor of engineering. I can see why so many people said that they don't have engineering

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Anonymous wrote:So SAT's are reverting back to the mean. Not surprising.

We vastly overestimate the number of the top 1% of SAT scorers, especially as you go above 1550.

Superscoring become logarithmically more difficult.

Agree, not surprising at all. With the percent that were test optional the true student body on campus is not that different from previous.
The stronger half of the ivies(HPPY) and Columbia minus the General Studies students will remain median 1510-1520 which is around 99th percentile, with 25% of students 1560 or 99.6% plus.
Those schools plus a few other ones (Stanford Mit Duke and 2-3 more) were that way pre-TO and will be now. The top half of the students did not change much; the lower quartile is what changed.
The ivies especially the top4 remain the schools with the highest concentration top-1% and top 0.3-4%.
Attending colleges where half your peers are 99%ile is difficult! Grad and professional schools know it and consider these places the best preparation.

Schools lower in rank T20-T40 -Tthat never had pre-TO medians of 1470 let alone 1510-1520 using the last preTO datasets from fall 2020 will see a large drop in their score ranges. Considering many had 50% of students TO, no one really believed that half their student body was 99%ile or even 97th.

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The amount of time and attention you are paying to these questions is simply extraordinary. Your children will get their ass kicked at the next level. You have modeled pretty poor thinking in your households.

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Anonymous wrote:Fall 2020 freshmen data sets, ivies:
(Best correlation to today as it was after the 2016 recentering)

25—50(est)--75

Harvard 1460-1520–1580
UPenn. 1460- 1515-1570
Yale. 1470- 1515-1560
Princeton. 1460- 1510–1560
Brown. 1440- 1495- 1550
Dartmouth 1430–1490—1550
Cornell. 1410–1475–1530

Columbia’s does not appear to be available. They had a long history of not publishing it.

Dartmouth ‘s new data set is stronger not weaker; Dartmouth likely remains bottom three in the Ivy League

our high school college counselor very helpfully told my kids that unhooked kids with no major national awards need to be right in btw that 50% and 75% number as a rule. which was helpful when they were doing SAT prep. And my kids were coming from known feeders. Get that SAT up in the 1530/1540 range

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Anonymous wrote:https://engineering.dartmouth.edu/undergraduate/ab/majors#majors

only authentic engineering major is biomedical engineering. and its probably better to go to johns hopkins or georgia tech since they are tied for #1 since DCUM cares so much about rankings.

the only ABET major they have is bachelor of engineering. I can see why so many people said that they don't have engineering

how many ABET-accredited majors does one need? esp to go off and be an investment banker?

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Anonymous wrote:https://engineering.dartmouth.edu/undergraduate/ab/majors#majors

only authentic engineering major is biomedical engineering. and its probably better to go to johns hopkins or georgia tech since they are tied for #1 since DCUM cares so much about rankings.

the only ABET major they have is bachelor of engineering. I can see why so many people said that they don't have engineering

how many ABET-accredited majors does one need? esp to go off and be an investment banker?

Which is why anyone who wants to be an actual engineer would never go to Dartmouth

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Anonymous wrote:Strivers: are Asian applicants now hooked at Dartmouth?

Affirmative Action ban and test required did not help Asian at all.

No. In this job market, Asians do not need what Dartmouth is offering. Besides AA has only ever helped URMs and Whites.

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in our AI future, engineering in the next CS.

[Anonymous]

F_Dartmouth

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Anonymous wrote:Something racist is going on. Where are the Asian students?

Historically, Dartmouth has much lower Asian student enrollment than its peers, 20% in last few years are highest in its history.
There are many reasons, location, more LAC like. But, Dartmouth is a bit more conservative than its peers, it's the only Ivies not signing against Trump's policy against colleges last year.

AA ban is good for Asian students, we can see it happens in those STEM focused top schools, but is better for White students, after all, Asian is only 6% of population, and they tend to focus on T20, also, most competitive Asian students are Indian and Chinese, they already are 70% of Asian population in Ivies. But there are many other great schools, for T20-50 school, picture is different.

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Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth has always leaned conservative, white frat type. Partly due to location.

I think this is correct. I also think less Asians apply to Dartmouth - but not that much less that the percentage would go down. There is still bias (conscious or not) for white applicants (and against Asian applicants). Dartmouth probably doesn't want the Asian population to grow exponentially as it did on other campuses. There are definitely markers on the application that point to the applicant's race and background.

Dartmouth doesn't have engineering, which limits its appeal for many students, including many Asians. You generally don't see many Asians interested in SLACs in the middle of nowhere, which is essentially what Dartmouth is.

False.

Saying Dartmouth does not have engineering is like saying Brown does not have engineering. The two schools are similar in that respect, yet Brown is now close to 40% Asian.

Dartmouth should still be attractive to many Asian applicants, especially premed students, and also students interested in economics, government, and the humanities. Georgetown does not have engineering at all, and it is close to 30% Asian.

As a PP pointed out, some SLACs have a higher percentage of Asian students than Dartmouth. Carleton and Wellesley are good examples.

So I do not buy the “no engineering” explanation. The numbers look much more like the result of active discrimination, and the surge in white enrollment only reinforces that impression.

So if something doesn't fit your narrative of what the world should look like it is racism?