I think it's insane that the guy from the Game would recommend someone who played 4 years of varsity golf to leave it off of their application altogether. When their recommenders mention golf or when he mentions it in an essay, it will be super weird if he failed to include it because it did not go with his narrative. My kids play varsity sports and it is by far the most time consuming activity (~20 hours a week during season, including travel to away games, etc.) |
Mine too. I think it's nice to have someone sum up the current trends so everything is a bit clearer in this difficult process. |
Yeah, he thinks varsity sports are a waste of time unless you are a recruited athlete. While I disagree, I understand that his focus is on maximizing activities that support the application hook. The trade off for my kid not doing sports wouldn't be worth it because of the many benefits it brings her (e.g., joy, mental health boost, physical activity). It won't be a central part of her application but she will definitely include it on the common app. |
His clients/ kids have more time consuming and higher profile activities than V golf. |
Does he share who gives him info? Male vs female, locations, kinds of programs? |
lol you must be Mattie! |
Mostly things like students from X region had a more difficult time, I see lots of admits for Z major but not Y, students with a specific EC were largely admitted, etc. Not much about gender/race/identity demographics and moreso student profiles. |
So true! We followed Sara’s advice not to report 4s but I think that was wrong. |
I’d love to shed some light on this. Some IECs love to focus on just a few schools. That means they know them inside and out and don’t have to build college lists for their students. IECs don’t care about schools knowing - the problem is the school counselors get mad and might hold it against the student. Why on earth would an IEC have any kind of relationship with an AO? You seem very old-fashioned. |
I completely agree that it’s bad advice to leave off sports. With all of these pointy candidates, people start to become one-dimensional. Sports (or music, arts, theater, whatever) help show another side to the applicant. To his point, sports become a huge time suck and can detract from academics. My kid‘s coaches didn’t always care whether athletes had exams or other priorities. |
She was very unclear on this in AN. Two students had the same award from different regions. She told one to put it in Honors and the other to put it in ECs. Would not give a reason for the contradictory advice, I do not remember details but maybe one had fewer academic awards so it was ok to list it in Honors? |
Bc if you do a lot of successful applications for four or five T20 schools you start to see patterns. And you start to figure out what works and what doesn’t work. I can see it myself with just my two kids and helping my nephews. If I wanted to help anyone in this process, there’s no way I would do more than the schools I have successful experience with. It makes sense why professional counselors might focus on a small subset of schools. |
From a college application perspective, they sort of are. The 10-20 hours a week you spend on sports can be used more effectively in other ways. But varsity sports are great for other things. Learning teamwork, sportsmanship, how to earn your playtime, how to be a leader, how to make adjustments instead of excuses, how to deal with frustration, how to deal with losing, how to deal with winning, etc. The value of sports in building the college application isn't high but the value of sports in building the adult is priceless. Starting some non-profit and getting your name on so research paper looks better on a common app but the value of a man is not measured by the common app. |
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I think the point with the ivy-centric post is that that IEC's advice is only for the people who actually want to go to those kinds of schools. You could be having your kid jump through hoops that don't even exist if they are targeting flagships or small Jesuit schools, etc.
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This is the cliché move at TJ; DD said so many kids start nonprofits that it's even a joke among the students. I know some of them actually do things with that non-profit but many are only in it for the college hook. From what I've read/heard, most AOs can see through this pretty quickly if it is superficial. (Before anyone pops off, my kid is not starting a non-profit and I don't have beef with kids who do. Just sharing an observation.) |