Please stop spreading Americans youth are dumb propaganda!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CNN:

“She graduated from a Connecticut High School with Honors, But She Cannot Read”

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/02/27/us/connecticut-aleysha-ortiz-illiterate-lawsuit-cec

She has severe learning disabilities. ADHD, dyslexia, anxiety disorder, ODD, communication disorder. And bullying from a special d teacher? It goes without saying if she had gone to a better school she’d be doing much better.

But she put the work in to try and overcome her disabilities. With better help and guiding her to the latest technology that helps students with her disabilities she would probably greatly improve.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The National Assessment of Educational Progress ("The Nation's Report Card") found that nearly half of high school seniors are testing below a basic level in both subjects, with reading scores hitting a historic low since testing began in 1992.

Have you compared the same clusters to the bottom of the rest of the world?

If you compare the top students globally, I’m fairly confident that the best students in the U.S. can easily outperform those from other countries. First, top U.S. students tend to be exceptionally skilled at multitasking, unlike many top students abroad who focus solely on academics. We also have top students who are Olympiad medalists and others who begin their entrepreneurial journeys at a very young age.

You just can’t oversimplify things by saying that young people are “dumb.” That’s such an irresponsible and generalized statement — it completely overlooks the talent, creativity, and drive that so many young people demonstrate every day.

Are these like your feelings or did you actually look at the data?

Yes, there are tons of reference you can look into, IQ (mind you, look only the top percentile, not all), PISA, or even the SAT score from top to the bottom of each schools... it is not hard

You can’t use IQ in your data because very few students have been tested. There are only a handful of schools that use that test for advanced classes. IQ testing is mostly reserved for kids with learning disabilities and the results are all over the board just like students without any burdens.

Same with SAT. If you have two students with the same abilities but one does test prep and private tutoring. They will get different results even though they would both do well in the same school. Terrible examples.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Response to COVID proved we have done a serious disservice the USA citizens in the field of science. It’s not just the youth. So many people just don’t have the knowledge to understand basic scientific facts.
It’s time we fixed that.

I agree with this, but I disagree with those who spread a false narrative that generalizes everyone — that’s simply not true. Instead of calling our people dumb or incompetent, why not focus on providing real solutions? What’s wrong with recognizing genuine merit? Providing good education and recognizing there are authentically competitive, smart young people are not in conflict.

When 50% of the students are not performing, we need to recognize that we have failed them. I'm never in favor of calling kids dumb. That's is counterproductive and it doesn't achieve anything. However, they are NOT performing at the level they should be. That's our failure, not theirs. Our kids would be competitive and perform just as well if we demanded it of them.

Or maybe you should look to see whether we are teaching them the right things. Why does everyone need to be taught calculus?

Only certain careers need calculus and it’s not taken by all high schoolers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN:

“She graduated from a Connecticut High School with Honors, But She Cannot Read”

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/02/27/us/connecticut-aleysha-ortiz-illiterate-lawsuit-cec

She has severe learning disabilities. ADHD, dyslexia, anxiety disorder, ODD, communication disorder. And bullying from a special d teacher? It goes without saying if she had gone to a better school she’d be doing much better.

But she put the work in to try and overcome her disabilities. With better help and guiding her to the latest technology that helps students with her disabilities she would probably greatly improve.

Meant to add: Plus, why should she be denied high school graduation with honors (and university admission) just because she cannot read?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The National Assessment of Educational Progress ("The Nation's Report Card") found that nearly half of high school seniors are testing below a basic level in both subjects, with reading scores hitting a historic low since testing began in 1992.

Have you compared the same clusters to the bottom of the rest of the world?

If you compare the top students globally, I’m fairly confident that the best students in the U.S. can easily outperform those from other countries. First, top U.S. students tend to be exceptionally skilled at multitasking, unlike many top students abroad who focus solely on academics. We also have top students who are Olympiad medalists and others who begin their entrepreneurial journeys at a very young age.

You just can’t oversimplify things by saying that young people are “dumb.” That’s such an irresponsible and generalized statement — it completely overlooks the talent, creativity, and drive that so many young people demonstrate every day.

Many yes, but not enough.

If you compare the top students of different countries, America is competitive only because of the children of immigrants.

We do not nurture excellence here. We strive for equity, diversity and inclusivity. If we deliberately developed our smartest kids, we wouldn't need to brain drsain the rest of the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The National Assessment of Educational Progress ("The Nation's Report Card") found that nearly half of high school seniors are testing below a basic level in both subjects, with reading scores hitting a historic low since testing began in 1992.

Have you compared the same clusters to the bottom of the rest of the world?

If you compare the top students globally, I’m fairly confident that the best students in the U.S. can easily outperform those from other countries. First, top U.S. students tend to be exceptionally skilled at multitasking, unlike many top students abroad who focus solely on academics. We also have top students who are Olympiad medalists and others who begin their entrepreneurial journeys at a very young age.

You just can’t oversimplify things by saying that young people are “dumb.” That’s such an irresponsible and generalized statement — it completely overlooks the talent, creativity, and drive that so many young people demonstrate every day.

What gives you this confidence? I have a niece and nephew in another country and I know there is no way my own kids (who are among the best students in their high school) could compete with them. The other system is brutal and to become the best demands a type of hard work my own kids never needed to do.

Grinding != Intelligence.

"Grinding" is an necessary to congnitive ability as practice is to athletic ability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Voucher a-holes want to defund public schools and constantly push this narrative.

DEI A-holes are constantly undermining the education system and giving the Voucher A-holes a good argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The National Assessment of Educational Progress ("The Nation's Report Card") found that nearly half of high school seniors are testing below a basic level in both subjects, with reading scores hitting a historic low since testing began in 1992.

Have you compared the same clusters to the bottom of the rest of the world?

If you compare the top students globally, I’m fairly confident that the best students in the U.S. can easily outperform those from other countries. First, top U.S. students tend to be exceptionally skilled at multitasking, unlike many top students abroad who focus solely on academics. We also have top students who are Olympiad medalists and others who begin their entrepreneurial journeys at a very young age.

You just can’t oversimplify things by saying that young people are “dumb.” That’s such an irresponsible and generalized statement — it completely overlooks the talent, creativity, and drive that so many young people demonstrate every day.

Many yes, but not enough.

If you compare the top students of different countries, America is competitive only because of the children of immigrants.

We do not nurture excellence here. We strive for equity, diversity and inclusivity. If we deliberately developed our smartest kids, we wouldn't need to brain drsain the rest of the world.

Sure including children of the European immigrants

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN:

“She graduated from a Connecticut High School with Honors, But She Cannot Read”

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/02/27/us/connecticut-aleysha-ortiz-illiterate-lawsuit-cec

What about the Math or Physics competition winners? What about sports competitions? The bottom does not represent all

Indeed. If you look at this year's IMO (Math Olympiad) v/s questions even from 10 years ago -- most of the top kids have no trouble solving the latter. In fact, some of the IMO questions in recent years have been so hard that even Terry Tao and a bunch of college professors had to "group solve" questions and it took them a couple of hours or more but every member of the US team solved them in the time allotted. So the top echelon is astonishingly proficient.

And almost all of them are the children of immigrants.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Voucher a-holes want to defund public schools and constantly push this narrative.

DEI A-holes are constantly undermining the education system and giving the Voucher A-holes a good argument.

Not true. It's just rich assh0les who don't want to actually pay for private.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Voucher a-holes want to defund public schools and constantly push this narrative.

DEI A-holes are constantly undermining the education system and giving the Voucher A-holes a good argument.

Not just the DEI A-holes. Sadly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not all American youth are uneducated or incapable. Recent posts and social media narratives paint a this picture — suggesting that America’s future is doomed and that only immigrants can fill skilled jobs. This is simply not true.

Despite the shortcomings of the K–12 education system, many intelligent, hardworking, and talented young Americans continue to excel across a wide range of fields — including the children of immigrants.

Please stop spreading the false narrative that Americans are “dumb.” The challenges posed by technology (games or social media obsessions) and modern society exist everywhere, not just in the United States.

Most young people I meet in real life are quite impressive. On social media, most look shallow and dumb. Its a contrast.

Our own generation falls victim to this. Have you read many of the threads here involving schools like Emory, Georgetown and Wake Forest that straddle the DCUM threshold of respectability?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The National Assessment of Educational Progress ("The Nation's Report Card") found that nearly half of high school seniors are testing below a basic level in both subjects, with reading scores hitting a historic low since testing began in 1992.

Have you compared the same clusters to the bottom of the rest of the world?

If you compare the top students globally, I’m fairly confident that the best students in the U.S. can easily outperform those from other countries. First, top U.S. students tend to be exceptionally skilled at multitasking, unlike many top students abroad who focus solely on academics. We also have top students who are Olympiad medalists and others who begin their entrepreneurial journeys at a very young age.

You just can’t oversimplify things by saying that young people are “dumb.” That’s such an irresponsible and generalized statement — it completely overlooks the talent, creativity, and drive that so many young people demonstrate every day.

Many yes, but not enough.

If you compare the top students of different countries, America is competitive only because of the children of immigrants.

We do not nurture excellence here. We strive for equity, diversity and inclusivity. If we deliberately developed our smartest kids, we wouldn't need to brain drsain the rest of the world.

Sure including children of the European immigrants

Why would Europeans want to immigrate here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Voucher a-holes want to defund public schools and constantly push this narrative.

DEI A-holes are constantly undermining the education system and giving the Voucher A-holes a good argument.

Not true. It's just rich assh0les who don't want to actually pay for private.

Of course it's true. If the public schools spent more time trying to improve educational outcomes rather than equity outcomes, there wouldn't be anywhere near this sort of traction for alternative public education models.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Response to COVID proved we have done a serious disservice the USA citizens in the field of science. It’s not just the youth. So many people just don’t have the knowledge to understand basic scientific facts.
It’s time we fixed that.

I agree with this, but I disagree with those who spread a false narrative that generalizes everyone — that’s simply not true. Instead of calling our people dumb or incompetent, why not focus on providing real solutions? What’s wrong with recognizing genuine merit? Providing good education and recognizing there are authentically competitive, smart young people are not in conflict.

When 50% of the students are not performing, we need to recognize that we have failed them. I'm never in favor of calling kids dumb. That's is counterproductive and it doesn't achieve anything. However, they are NOT performing at the level they should be. That's our failure, not theirs. Our kids would be competitive and perform just as well if we demanded it of them.

Or maybe you should look to see whether we are teaching them the right things. Why does everyone need to be taught calculus?

Only certain careers need calculus and it’s not taken by all high schoolers.

Colleges look at calculus as a marker of a student's ability to understand complex abstract concepts.