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Anonymous wrote:There's a recent article in the New Yorker about the great student swap of OOS everywhere but especially the South and Alabama. You wouldn't be alone but one thing to consider is that they would probably stay in the south after graduation.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/the-great-student-swap

Most out of state kids there do not stay in Alabama after graduation. They get recruited everywhere.

No they don’t get recruited every where

I can tell you the company I own that hires engineers all over this country would never hire from there moving forward . We did minimally very minimally before now.

I also deal with large banks we tell our hiring managers which schools Alabama is not on that list. Never has been.

As CTO of a large company no.

Alabama kids have always had a hard time finding jobs back on the east cost.

Who sends their kids to college on the state at the bottom of the education systems in the whole US . It is financially irresponsible to send a kid OSS to study with a bunch of uneducated people. It’s the state that elected Tommy Tubby how stupid do you have to be to not understand how hard it is to come ba k and get a job

If your kid wants to 4stay in Alabama have at it.

You have an ugly, bigoted, sneering attitude.

+1 Can you imagine even working for a company with such an arrogant, bigoted, small-minded person? No, thank you!!

I agree the comment did not come across well, but it was an important one for the conversation, to provide a different, (and hopefully true) perspective of employment prospects as a graduate. I would want to hear this as a parent, then trust but verify myself.

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Anonymous wrote:Anybody from metro Southern California have their kid there and can comment on their experience? We are considering it too, kid is NMSF. Not white, not black either. Don’t know if that makes a difference in the social experience. Likes to watch football, but not likely to enjoy keggers.

Metro SoCal here - a friends kid goes there and LOVES it. Loves football, loves the atmosphere.

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Anonymous wrote:Just found out that our DCs stats would mean full tuition and admission to the honors program at U Alabama. I know some folks would look down on Alabama but free college is pretty appealing. (Can save the college funds for grad school) anyone have experience with Alabama.

My kid there is there on a full ride. By the end of this year kid will have studied abroad in 5 different countries...which the scholarship paid for (most of). Lots of very smart kids at Alabama. Great programs, extremely small classes in the upper levels (fewer than 20 students) taught by professors (not TAs). Plus some pretty impressive and difficult to get into programs like Randall Research Scholars. They also offer a very popular 5 year STEM + MBA degree. Can't beat a FREE top notch education. Roll tide.

This is great for your kid and it sounds like Alabama serves its high stats students well. But having upper-level classes taught by professors and not TAs is the norm everywhere. This is not something that Alabama can use as a selling point in comparison to other schools.

The really smart kids at Alabama are a smaller group and the access to professors and research is amazing. My kid is on a first name basis with a number of his professors. He is also getting sophisticated lab work, is close with his PI and has presented at a few conferences around the country as a undergrad. Compared to his friends at higher ranked schools, he is having an incredible experience.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a recent article in the New Yorker about the great student swap of OOS everywhere but especially the South and Alabama. You wouldn't be alone but one thing to consider is that they would probably stay in the south after graduation.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/the-great-student-swap

Most out of state kids there do not stay in Alabama after graduation. They get recruited everywhere.

No they don’t get recruited every where

I can tell you the company I own that hires engineers all over this country would never hire from there moving forward . We did minimally very minimally before now.

I also deal with large banks we tell our hiring managers which schools Alabama is not on that list. Never has been.

As CTO of a large company no.

Alabama kids have always had a hard time finding jobs back on the east cost.

Who sends their kids to college on the state at the bottom of the education systems in the whole US . It is financially irresponsible to send a kid OSS to study with a bunch of uneducated people. It’s the state that elected Tommy Tubby how stupid do you have to be to not understand how hard it is to come ba k and get a job

If your kid wants to 4stay in Alabama have at it.

You have an ugly, bigoted, sneering attitude.

+1 Can you imagine even working for a company with such an arrogant, bigoted, small-minded person? No, thank you!!

My neighbors kid did undergraduate at Alabama and got into medical school at Duke and is a doctor now. Didn’t seem to impact him, and he got a basically free undergraduate education.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a recent article in the New Yorker about the great student swap of OOS everywhere but especially the South and Alabama. You wouldn't be alone but one thing to consider is that they would probably stay in the south after graduation.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/the-great-student-swap

Most out of state kids there do not stay in Alabama after graduation. They get recruited everywhere.

No they don’t get recruited every where

I can tell you the company I own that hires engineers all over this country would never hire from there moving forward . We did minimally very minimally before now.

I also deal with large banks we tell our hiring managers which schools Alabama is not on that list. Never has been.

As CTO of a large company no.

Alabama kids have always had a hard time finding jobs back on the east cost.

Who sends their kids to college on the state at the bottom of the education systems in the whole US . It is financially irresponsible to send a kid OSS to study with a bunch of uneducated people. It’s the state that elected Tommy Tubby how stupid do you have to be to not understand how hard it is to come ba k and get a job

If your kid wants to 4stay in Alabama have at it.

You have an ugly, bigoted, sneering attitude.

+1 Can you imagine even working for a company with such an arrogant, bigoted, small-minded person? No, thank you!!

I agree the comment did not come across well, but it was an important one for the conversation, to provide a different, (and hopefully true) perspective of employment prospects as a graduate. I would want to hear this as a parent, then trust but verify myself.

Zero percent chance that comment was true. Just some harpy with an axe to grind.

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Anonymous wrote:my kid went to alabama on full tuition scholarship. they have been recruiting high stat students for more than 10 years. her classmates did get jobs all over the US, not just in alabama or georgia.

she had multpile job offers prior to graduation, and landed a job at one of the well-known investment banks. her friends ended up in all kinds of careers, and they are all doing great.

i love it there!

lots of opportunity there for those who seek it.

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Anonymous wrote:Just found out that our DCs stats would mean full tuition and admission to the honors program at U Alabama. I know some folks would look down on Alabama but free college is pretty appealing. (Can save the college funds for grad school) anyone have experience with Alabama.

My kid there is there on a full ride. By the end of this year kid will have studied abroad in 5 different countries...which the scholarship paid for (most of). Lots of very smart kids at Alabama. Great programs, extremely small classes in the upper levels (fewer than 20 students) taught by professors (not TAs). Plus some pretty impressive and difficult to get into programs like Randall Research Scholars. They also offer a very popular 5 year STEM + MBA degree. Can't beat a FREE top notch education. Roll tide.

Do NOT get an MBA at age 22 from Alabama. Very bad idea.

Taking the full ride for undergrad could be a great idea. Getting a Bama MBA is a bad idea for anyone who hopes to become a high flier.

Not true. Friend of my DD did BS, MS in engineering and MBA in four years on scholarship. He is being recruited all over the country by top firms. Has three job offers.

What's your definition of 'top firms'? I doubt it's equal to that of most high fliers. Top firms do not visit Bama as a target school.

More importantly, delaying an MBA is crucial for two main reasons:

1) students get more out of MBA curricula when they have real professional work experience, which is why even schools with early admissions programs like Wharton and Harvard require admitted undergrads to work (in a full time, professional capacity) for at least two years before matriculating, and

2) the MBA is a great for people who want to pivot. Engineers do an MBA after 2-3 years because they want to move into management roles. Investment bankers do an MBA because they want to jump to private equity. Marketers do an MBA to make them attractive to large, international firms that overlooked them coming out of undergrad. All MBA students want to broaden their networks.

22 year olds who go directly into an MBA program, at Bama or anywhere else, forego these major benefits of the MBA, making the benefits of the degree very limited and the opportunity cost high. So it's NEVER a good idea to go directly into an MBA program from undergrad.

Ignore this poster. As someone with an MBA from a top5 school I don’t necessarily agree. This person is assuming there is only one pathway to a single career that is worth pursuing. If you aren’t trying to go into top tier IB or Management Consulting there can be lots of reasons to do a STEM+MBA that make total sense.

The purpose of an MBA is generally for career pivots. Kids who do business school in undergrad generally don’t also do an MBA. In this case your kid is trying to set himself up for more career options right away. There is no reason for him to do a double major STEM/business as an undergrad if he can learn the same content but achieve a masters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's a recent article in the New Yorker about the great student swap of OOS everywhere but especially the South and Alabama. You wouldn't be alone but one thing to consider is that they would probably stay in the south after graduation.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/the-great-student-swap

Most out of state kids there do not stay in Alabama after graduation. They get recruited everywhere.

No they don’t get recruited every where

I can tell you the company I own that hires engineers all over this country would never hire from there moving forward . We did minimally very minimally before now.

I also deal with large banks we tell our hiring managers which schools Alabama is not on that list. Never has been.

As CTO of a large company no.

Alabama kids have always had a hard time finding jobs back on the east cost.

Who sends their kids to college on the state at the bottom of the education systems in the whole US . It is financially irresponsible to send a kid OSS to study with a bunch of uneducated people. It’s the state that elected Tommy Tubby how stupid do you have to be to not understand how hard it is to come ba k and get a job

If your kid wants to 4stay in Alabama have at it.

You have an ugly, bigoted, sneering attitude.

+1 Can you imagine even working for a company with such an arrogant, bigoted, small-minded person? No, thank you!!

My neighbors kid did undergraduate at Alabama and got into medical school at Duke and is a doctor now. Didn’t seem to impact him, and he got a basically free undergraduate education.

PP here. Yes! Alabama has a lot of kids in the Honors Program who are really bright. I have two friends with kids who went to Alabama and then Vanderbilt, Harvard, or Duke for medical school.

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Thanks for this thread-trying to convince son and hubby to tour. It’ll be 1/2 the cost of any VA schools and for engineering I really think it’s a good option.

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Anonymous wrote:Both of my kids have/had full scholarships. My son in law had full ride with two scholarships. He got a check every semester from the university from the overage of scholarship money. The school has amazing programs and all three recruited and working upon graduation. My kids turned down big name colleges to attend with scholarships. Many high stats kids are doing the same. I believe it’ll raise the school’s profile over the next few years.

Hope this helps.

I've never heard of a merit scholarship that covers CoA + and extra check in your bank account.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there no other choice? Better to go to a school in northeast that may be ALMOST full scholarship than Alabama for free.

Please name said northeast school that gives ALMOST full scholarships.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of NMF choose Alabama because they come from states where the selection index is substantially below Virginia, DC, Maryland, New Jersey, etc. They are high stats, but not the 1530+ SAT scorers. This is reflected in its 75% SAT score, which is 1360.

Only 20% of Alabama freshman submitted an SAT score. Of these 1,644 students, only 411 scored above a 1360. You can estimate that fewer than 100 scored above 1450.

That is not a bad score, by any means, but that is lower than the 25% at representative higher ranked, more selective schools.

According to the CDS - 54% submitted an ACT score, and 23% submitted an SAT score. Only 23% of applicants submitted no test scores.

My kid is there. Selection index of 223. SAT 1560. My kid is surrounded by other students are are MUCH smarter than them -- my kid will readily admit this.

Alabama also gives full tuition scholarships + partial R&B to kids with 4.0 GPA + perfect SAT or ACT (one sitting, no super score allowed). So there are those kids there in addition to NMF.

How are they surrounded by those kids? Are they taking upper level STEM courses or in an honors LLC or something?

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Anonymous wrote:Both of my kids have/had full scholarships. My son in law had full ride with two scholarships. He got a check every semester from the university from the overage of scholarship money. The school has amazing programs and all three recruited and working upon graduation. My kids turned down big name colleges to attend with scholarships. Many high stats kids are doing the same. I believe it’ll raise the school’s profile over the next few years.

Hope this helps.

I've never heard of a merit scholarship that covers CoA + and extra check in your bank account.

Alabama gives NMF full tuition and room and board for five years (this can include graduate work) plus $4k a year and a one time $2k payment for research or study abroad.

They also have a robust honors college program including some well respected cohort programs within the honors college for particularly outstanding students.

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Anonymous wrote:Both of my kids have/had full scholarships. My son in law had full ride with two scholarships. He got a check every semester from the university from the overage of scholarship money. The school has amazing programs and all three recruited and working upon graduation. My kids turned down big name colleges to attend with scholarships. Many high stats kids are doing the same. I believe it’ll raise the school’s profile over the next few years.

Hope this helps.

I've never heard of a merit scholarship that covers CoA + and extra check in your bank account.

Alabama gives NMF full tuition and room and board for five years (this can include graduate work) plus $4k a year and a one time $2k payment for research or study abroad.

They also have a robust honors college program including some well respected cohort programs within the honors college for particularly outstanding students.

So they have to pay intelligent students to attend? Smacks of desperation

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I just couldn’t in good conscience send my DD to Alabama. I’m sure the actual university is fine, but politically and socially I just couldn’t do it. They have a near total abortion ban; one of the strictest in the nation. They are also one of the most religious states in the nation, with 58% of the population attending church regularly. They also rank very high on poverty, low on public education and have very little racial diversity. Thankfully we can pay for college (and grad school.)