Can we just stop importing dogs from other states?

[Anonymous]

Some outlet did a huge expose of the practice of buying "rescues" from breeders and how it perpetuates the dog production business and costs donors huge amounts of money. I think it ws The Post, and I think it was pre-covid.

[back after googling] - here's an article that points to the Post article. No idea how/if this has changed over the past 7 years.

https://philanthropydaily.com/the-big-business-of-dog-rescue/


But I do agree - I hate to be so hard hearted, but there are too many dogs, and shuttling them from one area of the country to another does not seem to be an efficient use of resources.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some outlet did a huge expose of the practice of buying "rescues" from breeders and how it perpetuates the dog production business and costs donors huge amounts of money. I think it ws The Post, and I think it was pre-covid.

[back after googling] - here's an article that points to the Post article. No idea how/if this has changed over the past 7 years.

https://philanthropydaily.com/the-big-business-of-dog-rescue/


But I do agree - I hate to be so hard hearted, but there are too many dogs, and shuttling them from one area of the country to another does not seem to be an efficient use of resources.

That article is 7 years old, anything recent? You keep bringing it up every time to support your point that rescues are buying puppies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some outlet did a huge expose of the practice of buying "rescues" from breeders and how it perpetuates the dog production business and costs donors huge amounts of money. I think it ws The Post, and I think it was pre-covid.

[back after googling] - here's an article that points to the Post article. No idea how/if this has changed over the past 7 years.

https://philanthropydaily.com/the-big-business-of-dog-rescue/


But I do agree - I hate to be so hard hearted, but there are too many dogs, and shuttling them from one area of the country to another does not seem to be an efficient use of resources.

That article is 7 years old, anything recent? You keep bringing it up every time to support your point that rescues are buying puppies.

The facts haven't changed, and the article cited is sound. If anything, this same phenomenon has gone unchecked, and is likely worse. If you didn't believe it then, you probably won't believe it now, but there's the reality for you.

-DP

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Anonymous wrote:I adopted my first dog from a FL rescue that trucked the dogs up here to an adoption event at a Pet Supplies Plus in Tysons.

I had tried to adopt many dogs here but no one would give me a dog due to various and sundry reasons -- no yard, had never had a dog before, etc., etc., etc. So I was grateful when the rescue that did adopt to me approved my application. Ten years later and my sweet mutt is still living her best life. I've since volunteered in rescue here in NoVA and things are very different now fortunately; the rules are no longer ridiculously strict with this no-yard-no-dog stuff (some dogs need a yard, yes, but others do not -- my dog has done amazingly with 3 walks per day, and that has been better for her than the dogs that are just let out into a yard).

We adopted our second dog a couple of years ago from a big NoVA rescue I was fostering with. She had been rescued from a puppy mill situation in FL and had been brought up here from FL as well. This is pretty common.

They BUY them from puppy mills. In auctions. It’s not like they’re doing commando raids on the Amish.

They also come in and take dogs from backyard breeders/hoarders when animal welfare gets called in, when strays get picked up and no owner can be found, when municipal shelters are full, or when owners just suck.

My current dog was left to his own devices by his first owner, sort of taken in/taken care of by a neighbor, and turned in to a rescue when the neighbor couldn't afford his medical bills. The rescue treated his heartworm and the adoption fee covered less than half of what the vet bills were.

Sure, and there will always be a flow of homeless, viable dogs and I totally support adoption processes for them. But the “rescues” are also full of intentionally bred and then discarded southern puppies, accidentally bred southern puppies that are a direct result of bad public policy, and dogs purchased from the very breeders they claim to despise and then resold as “rescued from a puppy mill.”

Name the rescues that you allege are doing this.

Not PP but Lucky Dog.

Are you saying Lucky Dog paying backyard breeders for dogs??? Do you have any proof for those accusations?

Where do you think they're getting their constant supply of "desirable breed" dogs? Kickbacks, subsidizing, and cash, sweetie. Lucky Dog is a fraud from the top down. The only people there who MIGHT be honest are the lowest level volunteers, few of whom stick around for long. I was one of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some outlet did a huge expose of the practice of buying "rescues" from breeders and how it perpetuates the dog production business and costs donors huge amounts of money. I think it ws The Post, and I think it was pre-covid.

[back after googling] - here's an article that points to the Post article. No idea how/if this has changed over the past 7 years.

https://philanthropydaily.com/the-big-business-of-dog-rescue/


But I do agree - I hate to be so hard hearted, but there are too many dogs, and shuttling them from one area of the country to another does not seem to be an efficient use of resources.

And yet, these "rescues" do it all the time. The missing piece is the megadonors, people who give large sums to these rescues for feel-good points, enabling them to continue the grift. Some of these "rescues" hold formal balls to fundraise. They wouldn't do that if it wasn't profitable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some outlet did a huge expose of the practice of buying "rescues" from breeders and how it perpetuates the dog production business and costs donors huge amounts of money. I think it ws The Post, and I think it was pre-covid.

[back after googling] - here's an article that points to the Post article. No idea how/if this has changed over the past 7 years.

https://philanthropydaily.com/the-big-business-of-dog-rescue/


But I do agree - I hate to be so hard hearted, but there are too many dogs, and shuttling them from one area of the country to another does not seem to be an efficient use of resources.

That article is 7 years old, anything recent? You keep bringing it up every time to support your point that rescues are buying puppies.

The facts haven't changed, and the article cited is sound. If anything, this same phenomenon has gone unchecked, and is likely worse. If you didn't believe it then, you probably won't believe it now, but there's the reality for you.

-DP

If it's worse now - you'd see more information about it. The fact that you can't produce anything more recent (or at least a second source) means to me that it's wasn't widespread 7 years ago, let alone now. Anything remotely controversial/newsworthy gets amplified by social media very quickly this days. That "phenomenon" wouldn't stand a chance of being unchecked.

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Anonymous wrote:I adopted my first dog from a FL rescue that trucked the dogs up here to an adoption event at a Pet Supplies Plus in Tysons.

I had tried to adopt many dogs here but no one would give me a dog due to various and sundry reasons -- no yard, had never had a dog before, etc., etc., etc. So I was grateful when the rescue that did adopt to me approved my application. Ten years later and my sweet mutt is still living her best life. I've since volunteered in rescue here in NoVA and things are very different now fortunately; the rules are no longer ridiculously strict with this no-yard-no-dog stuff (some dogs need a yard, yes, but others do not -- my dog has done amazingly with 3 walks per day, and that has been better for her than the dogs that are just let out into a yard).

We adopted our second dog a couple of years ago from a big NoVA rescue I was fostering with. She had been rescued from a puppy mill situation in FL and had been brought up here from FL as well. This is pretty common.

They BUY them from puppy mills. In auctions. It’s not like they’re doing commando raids on the Amish.

They also come in and take dogs from backyard breeders/hoarders when animal welfare gets called in, when strays get picked up and no owner can be found, when municipal shelters are full, or when owners just suck.

My current dog was left to his own devices by his first owner, sort of taken in/taken care of by a neighbor, and turned in to a rescue when the neighbor couldn't afford his medical bills. The rescue treated his heartworm and the adoption fee covered less than half of what the vet bills were.

Sure, and there will always be a flow of homeless, viable dogs and I totally support adoption processes for them. But the “rescues” are also full of intentionally bred and then discarded southern puppies, accidentally bred southern puppies that are a direct result of bad public policy, and dogs purchased from the very breeders they claim to despise and then resold as “rescued from a puppy mill.”

Name the rescues that you allege are doing this.

Not PP but Lucky Dog.

Are you saying Lucky Dog paying backyard breeders for dogs??? Do you have any proof for those accusations?

Where do you think they're getting their constant supply of "desirable breed" dogs? Kickbacks, subsidizing, and cash, sweetie. Lucky Dog is a fraud from the top down. The only people there who MIGHT be honest are the lowest level volunteers, few of whom stick around for long. I was one of them.

Cash to backyard breeders? can you find me a line on their financial you think it's being expensed under? You know 990s are public information, so shouldn't be hard for you to support your claim

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Anonymous wrote:I adopted my first dog from a FL rescue that trucked the dogs up here to an adoption event at a Pet Supplies Plus in Tysons.

I had tried to adopt many dogs here but no one would give me a dog due to various and sundry reasons -- no yard, had never had a dog before, etc., etc., etc. So I was grateful when the rescue that did adopt to me approved my application. Ten years later and my sweet mutt is still living her best life. I've since volunteered in rescue here in NoVA and things are very different now fortunately; the rules are no longer ridiculously strict with this no-yard-no-dog stuff (some dogs need a yard, yes, but others do not -- my dog has done amazingly with 3 walks per day, and that has been better for her than the dogs that are just let out into a yard).

We adopted our second dog a couple of years ago from a big NoVA rescue I was fostering with. She had been rescued from a puppy mill situation in FL and had been brought up here from FL as well. This is pretty common.

They BUY them from puppy mills. In auctions. It’s not like they’re doing commando raids on the Amish.

They also come in and take dogs from backyard breeders/hoarders when animal welfare gets called in, when strays get picked up and no owner can be found, when municipal shelters are full, or when owners just suck.

My current dog was left to his own devices by his first owner, sort of taken in/taken care of by a neighbor, and turned in to a rescue when the neighbor couldn't afford his medical bills. The rescue treated his heartworm and the adoption fee covered less than half of what the vet bills were.

Sure, and there will always be a flow of homeless, viable dogs and I totally support adoption processes for them. But the “rescues” are also full of intentionally bred and then discarded southern puppies, accidentally bred southern puppies that are a direct result of bad public policy, and dogs purchased from the very breeders they claim to despise and then resold as “rescued from a puppy mill.”

Name the rescues that you allege are doing this.

Not PP but Lucky Dog.

Are you saying Lucky Dog paying backyard breeders for dogs??? Do you have any proof for those accusations?

Where do you think they're getting their constant supply of "desirable breed" dogs? Kickbacks, subsidizing, and cash, sweetie. Lucky Dog is a fraud from the top down. The only people there who MIGHT be honest are the lowest level volunteers, few of whom stick around for long. I was one of them.

Cash to backyard breeders? can you find me a line on their financial you think it's being expensed under? You know 990s are public information, so shouldn't be hard for you to support your claim

Either you're one of them, or you don't have a clue. If the former, I don't expect you to be honest about your practices (here or there). If the latter, go volunteer for them for a bit. It's not a tightly-held secret.

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Anonymous wrote:I adopted my first dog from a FL rescue that trucked the dogs up here to an adoption event at a Pet Supplies Plus in Tysons.

I had tried to adopt many dogs here but no one would give me a dog due to various and sundry reasons -- no yard, had never had a dog before, etc., etc., etc. So I was grateful when the rescue that did adopt to me approved my application. Ten years later and my sweet mutt is still living her best life. I've since volunteered in rescue here in NoVA and things are very different now fortunately; the rules are no longer ridiculously strict with this no-yard-no-dog stuff (some dogs need a yard, yes, but others do not -- my dog has done amazingly with 3 walks per day, and that has been better for her than the dogs that are just let out into a yard).

We adopted our second dog a couple of years ago from a big NoVA rescue I was fostering with. She had been rescued from a puppy mill situation in FL and had been brought up here from FL as well. This is pretty common.

They BUY them from puppy mills. In auctions. It’s not like they’re doing commando raids on the Amish.

They also come in and take dogs from backyard breeders/hoarders when animal welfare gets called in, when strays get picked up and no owner can be found, when municipal shelters are full, or when owners just suck.

My current dog was left to his own devices by his first owner, sort of taken in/taken care of by a neighbor, and turned in to a rescue when the neighbor couldn't afford his medical bills. The rescue treated his heartworm and the adoption fee covered less than half of what the vet bills were.

Sure, and there will always be a flow of homeless, viable dogs and I totally support adoption processes for them. But the “rescues” are also full of intentionally bred and then discarded southern puppies, accidentally bred southern puppies that are a direct result of bad public policy, and dogs purchased from the very breeders they claim to despise and then resold as “rescued from a puppy mill.”

Name the rescues that you allege are doing this.

Not PP but Lucky Dog.

Are you saying Lucky Dog paying backyard breeders for dogs??? Do you have any proof for those accusations?

Where do you think they're getting their constant supply of "desirable breed" dogs? Kickbacks, subsidizing, and cash, sweetie. Lucky Dog is a fraud from the top down. The only people there who MIGHT be honest are the lowest level volunteers, few of whom stick around for long. I was one of them.

Cash to backyard breeders? can you find me a line on their financial you think it's being expensed under? You know 990s are public information, so shouldn't be hard for you to support your claim

Either you're one of them, or you don't have a clue. If the former, I don't expect you to be honest about your practices (here or there). If the latter, go volunteer for them for a bit. It's not a tightly-held secret.

I'm just an accountant that always follows the money. When I see a claim like yours - I go and read reports. Couldn't find where that cash can be hidden in audited financials, so was hoping for your help.
But looks like you have nothing but baseless accusations

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Anonymous wrote:I adopted my first dog from a FL rescue that trucked the dogs up here to an adoption event at a Pet Supplies Plus in Tysons.

I had tried to adopt many dogs here but no one would give me a dog due to various and sundry reasons -- no yard, had never had a dog before, etc., etc., etc. So I was grateful when the rescue that did adopt to me approved my application. Ten years later and my sweet mutt is still living her best life. I've since volunteered in rescue here in NoVA and things are very different now fortunately; the rules are no longer ridiculously strict with this no-yard-no-dog stuff (some dogs need a yard, yes, but others do not -- my dog has done amazingly with 3 walks per day, and that has been better for her than the dogs that are just let out into a yard).

We adopted our second dog a couple of years ago from a big NoVA rescue I was fostering with. She had been rescued from a puppy mill situation in FL and had been brought up here from FL as well. This is pretty common.

They BUY them from puppy mills. In auctions. It’s not like they’re doing commando raids on the Amish.

They also come in and take dogs from backyard breeders/hoarders when animal welfare gets called in, when strays get picked up and no owner can be found, when municipal shelters are full, or when owners just suck.

My current dog was left to his own devices by his first owner, sort of taken in/taken care of by a neighbor, and turned in to a rescue when the neighbor couldn't afford his medical bills. The rescue treated his heartworm and the adoption fee covered less than half of what the vet bills were.

Sure, and there will always be a flow of homeless, viable dogs and I totally support adoption processes for them. But the “rescues” are also full of intentionally bred and then discarded southern puppies, accidentally bred southern puppies that are a direct result of bad public policy, and dogs purchased from the very breeders they claim to despise and then resold as “rescued from a puppy mill.”

Name the rescues that you allege are doing this.

Not PP but Lucky Dog.

Are you saying Lucky Dog paying backyard breeders for dogs??? Do you have any proof for those accusations?

Where do you think they're getting their constant supply of "desirable breed" dogs? Kickbacks, subsidizing, and cash, sweetie. Lucky Dog is a fraud from the top down. The only people there who MIGHT be honest are the lowest level volunteers, few of whom stick around for long. I was one of them.

Cash to backyard breeders? can you find me a line on their financial you think it's being expensed under? You know 990s are public information, so shouldn't be hard for you to support your claim

Either you're one of them, or you don't have a clue. If the former, I don't expect you to be honest about your practices (here or there). If the latter, go volunteer for them for a bit. It's not a tightly-held secret.

I'm just an accountant that always follows the money. When I see a claim like yours - I go and read reports. Couldn't find where that cash can be hidden in audited financials, so was hoping for your help.
But looks like you have nothing but baseless accusations

Go volunteer for them and research for yourself instead of demanding an anon on an anon board convince you somehow. If you're convinced anything you read here is hard facts, well, that's a skill issue.

[Anonymous]

Auction website. https://acecanineauction.com/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Or

https://www.swaauction.com/

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Anonymous wrote:I adopted my first dog from a FL rescue that trucked the dogs up here to an adoption event at a Pet Supplies Plus in Tysons.

I had tried to adopt many dogs here but no one would give me a dog due to various and sundry reasons -- no yard, had never had a dog before, etc., etc., etc. So I was grateful when the rescue that did adopt to me approved my application. Ten years later and my sweet mutt is still living her best life. I've since volunteered in rescue here in NoVA and things are very different now fortunately; the rules are no longer ridiculously strict with this no-yard-no-dog stuff (some dogs need a yard, yes, but others do not -- my dog has done amazingly with 3 walks per day, and that has been better for her than the dogs that are just let out into a yard).

We adopted our second dog a couple of years ago from a big NoVA rescue I was fostering with. She had been rescued from a puppy mill situation in FL and had been brought up here from FL as well. This is pretty common.

They BUY them from puppy mills. In auctions. It’s not like they’re doing commando raids on the Amish.

They also come in and take dogs from backyard breeders/hoarders when animal welfare gets called in, when strays get picked up and no owner can be found, when municipal shelters are full, or when owners just suck.

My current dog was left to his own devices by his first owner, sort of taken in/taken care of by a neighbor, and turned in to a rescue when the neighbor couldn't afford his medical bills. The rescue treated his heartworm and the adoption fee covered less than half of what the vet bills were.

Sure, and there will always be a flow of homeless, viable dogs and I totally support adoption processes for them. But the “rescues” are also full of intentionally bred and then discarded southern puppies, accidentally bred southern puppies that are a direct result of bad public policy, and dogs purchased from the very breeders they claim to despise and then resold as “rescued from a puppy mill.”

Name the rescues that you allege are doing this.

Not PP but Lucky Dog.

Are you saying Lucky Dog paying backyard breeders for dogs??? Do you have any proof for those accusations?

Where do you think they're getting their constant supply of "desirable breed" dogs? Kickbacks, subsidizing, and cash, sweetie. Lucky Dog is a fraud from the top down. The only people there who MIGHT be honest are the lowest level volunteers, few of whom stick around for long. I was one of them.

Cash to backyard breeders? can you find me a line on their financial you think it's being expensed under? You know 990s are public information, so shouldn't be hard for you to support your claim

Either you're one of them, or you don't have a clue. If the former, I don't expect you to be honest about your practices (here or there). If the latter, go volunteer for them for a bit. It's not a tightly-held secret.

I'm just an accountant that always follows the money. When I see a claim like yours - I go and read reports. Couldn't find where that cash can be hidden in audited financials, so was hoping for your help.
But looks like you have nothing but baseless accusations

I’m the PP who mentioned the SC facility and I just want to say, I’m not the one accusing them of buying puppies. I don’t know anything about that, and I think they’re all good people. I just don’t think they’ve articulated how their programs help alleviate the overbreeding of pit mixes and how they want families to acquire puppies if that problem were solved. Maybe they have an answer, I’m just saying they don’t communicate it. So it feels more like the status quo they want than the problem they’re trying to solve, and I don’t agree with that any more than I do abusive puppy mills.

I don’t think the goal should be “a bunch of southern and Puerto Rican randos breed a ton of extra and mistake puppies, using breeds not ideal for family pets, for all the family homes and we spend a lot of money facilitating that indefinitely.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Auction website. https://acecanineauction.com/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Or

https://www.swaauction.com/

What are these sites??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some outlet did a huge expose of the practice of buying "rescues" from breeders and how it perpetuates the dog production business and costs donors huge amounts of money. I think it ws The Post, and I think it was pre-covid.

[back after googling] - here's an article that points to the Post article. No idea how/if this has changed over the past 7 years.

https://philanthropydaily.com/the-big-business-of-dog-rescue/


But I do agree - I hate to be so hard hearted, but there are too many dogs, and shuttling them from one area of the country to another does not seem to be an efficient use of resources.

That article is 7 years old, anything recent? You keep bringing it up every time to support your point that rescues are buying puppies.

The facts haven't changed, and the article cited is sound. If anything, this same phenomenon has gone unchecked, and is likely worse. If you didn't believe it then, you probably won't believe it now, but there's the reality for you.

DP. Wow, some of the comments below are clearly from people who know the industry....
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The non-profit pet rescue business model is broken. It cannot work. Basic economic and psychological principles prove it.

Animal rescue organizations are [always, sometimes, occassionally. You decide…] pet shops masquerading as welfare agencies. They’re just the predictable byproduct of the “pet shops are inhumane, breeders are barbaric” movement. Same coin, different side. Rescuers simply took the same business model (get animal, house animal, sell animal) and called it something else.

Problem is they took a commercial transaction-which has rules, and regulations and at least a modicum of transparency and turned it into a transaction based solely on emotion. A cute puppy face, heart-wrenching story of a life tied to a tree, with a little guilt thrown in equals a customer willing to donate (see: “pay”) $500+ for a puppy. “Adopt, dont shop” and the rest of the rhetoric was a brilliant marketing scheme not to promote the rescue mentality but to eliminate the commercial competition.

Many of these rescues are “non-profit”, a distinction that allows them to operate in a nebulous gray area in which few regulators can/will tread. Potential customers see “non-profit” and automatically assume the organization is doing God’s work, saving the meek animal, salt of the earth type work on a shoestring budget. Sometimes that’s true, sometimes not. But give it time and the less-than-reputable will learn that non-profit doesn’t mean there aren’t chances to make money for themselves personally, especially in an under-regulated industry where the wares cant speak up and complain.

Finally, the disreputable rescuers (which many will become, eventually) are financially and/or emotionally incentivized to actually do the opposite of their purported mission. Easy money motivates them to keep the supply chain alive and well, which means fewer sterilized animals and overcrowded cages. Doing anything less would mean fewer animals (and therefore fewer unwanted animals–isnt that what they sayreally want) and therefore less money


-DP

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Anonymous wrote:I recognize this is an irrational vent and irrational pet peeve.

Why do local “rescue” groups continue to import dogs from other states when the shelters in the local DC area are overflowing, full, and people are currently surrendering their own pets?!

Almost every day I see pleas emergency fosters, dogs that haven’t been adopted out, for emergency help, all for dogs imported from other states.

Sorry, this is just a vent. I am well aware I am in the minority, but it makes me so upset that all of these dogs are in our shelters and people just keep bringing more dogs in.

I don’t care if dogs are local or from out of state. Just stop pee pooing in other people’s yards. So damn unsanitary!