Any feedback on Macarthur?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I truly do not understand the people trashing MacArthur here.

Are you neighborhood people trying to keep kids away? I promise you, your best shot at making this a school that is palatable to you is to make it so attractive to Hardy families that it becomes stacked in bound only families like JR.

Are you JR/Deal families that want to maintain the image of supremacy (while also complaining about overcrowding)?

The best case scenario for the whole city but especially any family that has an existing path into either JR or Mac is to lift up Mac so that it is comparable to JR. They will not be exactly the same. Macarthur Blvd won't turn into Tenley at any rapid pace, JR will have established sports programs (which is not all upsides when your kid doesn't make the team) while Mac builds theirs out, etc etc but they will be comparable in terms of what I do believe is a legitimate concern of people on this forum--that an upper middle class kid can be in a cohort of kids getting a decent education that prepares them for college and life.

No one is trashing the school. But if you are going to make subjective or false statements, be ready to be countered with data. It’s all there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is mostly a numbers issue. Deal is a lot larger than Hardy.

Nope, not just numbers but also percentages. Deal much higher esp in math.

Even if 1/2 Hardy kids go to MA, most will not be high performers and small numbers that it won’t make a dent in the stats.

You’re just wrong. Over half of Hardy students chose MacArthur this year. I’m sorry that your doomsday predictions won’t come true. Perhaps you will need to find a new hobby

You obviously are full of BS and don’t know the data. I in contrast have looked at the data. Data doesn’t lie.

High performing kids above grade level.

Hardy 180 8th graders. If 90 went to MA
ELA 22% = 20 kids
Math 5% = 5 kids

Number above won’t make a dent in a school with over 600 kids or however many currently.

Deal 480 8th graders
ELA 41% = 197 kids
Math 19% = 91 kids

It has always been Deal that had significantly higher numbers and percentages of high performers and contributed the bulk of these cohort of kids to JR, not Hardy.

Your numbers are wrong.

For Hardy, 5s are 35% and 11%. So, correcting...
If 90 went to MA
ELA 35% = 32 kids
Math 11% = 10 kids

-- You are assuming all Deal 9th graders go to J-R? Wut?

-- You fail to count the non-Hardy high-scoring students going to Macarthur that are not from Hardy. Surely there are a few.

-- Future 9th graders at Macarthur don't need to 'make a dent' in the full 600 students at the school. The makeup of the current Sr and Jr classes is pretty irrelevant to them. What matters for them is the 200 students in their grade, with some impact from the grade ahead and behind.

Not sure where you are getting your data but mine is from DC report card.

If yours is a legitimate source and more recent then you also know the numbers at Deal and MA which you have not shared.

No, not really any significant high scoring, above grade level kids at MA, 5% in ELA and <1% in math.

My source is the information Hardy distributed with this year's scores, so the most current data and, no, I do not have Deal's or Macarthur's latest data.

You, and some other peopple talking about Macarthur, act like the past data has great meaning when the school has only been open 2 years, and Hardy has only fully fed to it for 2 months.

Past data is not indicative of the future, which is why all this "omg, the data! title 1! etc etc" is vapid. You can't use data without Macarthur without putting it in the context of a rapidly (relatively) evolving situation.

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Anonymous wrote:It is mostly a numbers issue. Deal is a lot larger than Hardy.

Nope, not just numbers but also percentages. Deal much higher esp in math.

Even if 1/2 Hardy kids go to MA, most will not be high performers and small numbers that it won’t make a dent in the stats.

You’re just wrong. Over half of Hardy students chose MacArthur this year. I’m sorry that your doomsday predictions won’t come true. Perhaps you will need to find a new hobby

You obviously are full of BS and don’t know the data. I in contrast have looked at the data. Data doesn’t lie.

High performing kids above grade level.

Hardy 180 8th graders. If 90 went to MA
ELA 22% = 20 kids
Math 5% = 5 kids

Number above won’t make a dent in a school with over 600 kids or however many currently.

Deal 480 8th graders
ELA 41% = 197 kids
Math 19% = 91 kids

It has always been Deal that had significantly higher numbers and percentages of high performers and contributed the bulk of these cohort of kids to JR, not Hardy.

Your numbers are wrong.

For Hardy, 5s are 35% and 11%. So, correcting...
If 90 went to MA
ELA 35% = 32 kids
Math 11% = 10 kids

-- You are assuming all Deal 9th graders go to J-R? Wut?

-- You fail to count the non-Hardy high-scoring students going to Macarthur that are not from Hardy. Surely there are a few.

-- Future 9th graders at Macarthur don't need to 'make a dent' in the full 600 students at the school. The makeup of the current Sr and Jr classes is pretty irrelevant to them. What matters for them is the 200 students in their grade, with some impact from the grade ahead and behind.

Not sure where you are getting your data but mine is from DC report card.

If yours is a legitimate source and more recent then you also know the numbers at Deal and MA which you have not shared.

No, not really any significant high scoring, above grade level kids at MA, 5% in ELA and <1% in math.

My source is the information Hardy distributed with this year's scores, so the most current data and, no, I do not have Deal's or Macarthur's latest data.

You, and some other peopple talking about Macarthur, act like the past data has great meaning when the school has only been open 2 years, and Hardy has only fully fed to it for 2 months.

Past data is not indicative of the future, which is why all this "omg, the data! title 1! etc etc" is vapid. You can't use data without Macarthur without putting it in the context of a rapidly (relatively) evolving situation.

^ about Macarthur without

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I truly do not understand the people trashing MacArthur here.

Are you neighborhood people trying to keep kids away? I promise you, your best shot at making this a school that is palatable to you is to make it so attractive to Hardy families that it becomes stacked in bound only families like JR.

Are you JR/Deal families that want to maintain the image of supremacy (while also complaining about overcrowding)?

The best case scenario for the whole city but especially any family that has an existing path into either JR or Mac is to lift up Mac so that it is comparable to JR. They will not be exactly the same. Macarthur Blvd won't turn into Tenley at any rapid pace, JR will have established sports programs (which is not all upsides when your kid doesn't make the team) while Mac builds theirs out, etc etc but they will be comparable in terms of what I do believe is a legitimate concern of people on this forum--that an upper middle class kid can be in a cohort of kids getting a decent education that prepares them for college and life.

No one is trashing the school. But if you are going to make subjective or false statements, be ready to be countered with data. It’s all there.

That exactly the point - the data is NOT ALL THERE. Your data is based on the first two years of the school. The two years that did not have a dedicated Hardy feed and also that did not have a full enrollment, but only a few grades, and also did not have the campus fully constructed… Of COURSE IB parents with other options did not choose it in large numbers… only a couple dozen or so for those first first couple of years. But guess what? That is over now. The school is now pulling over 50% of Hardy graduates in just the first year of the dedicated feed and is on track to pull just as many this year and in the future.

So please, stop your masquerade about “not trashing” - it’s limp and lame. You clearly have an agenda against the success of this school. It’s weird, but it’s plain to see.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I truly do not understand the people trashing MacArthur here.

Are you neighborhood people trying to keep kids away? I promise you, your best shot at making this a school that is palatable to you is to make it so attractive to Hardy families that it becomes stacked in bound only families like JR.

Are you JR/Deal families that want to maintain the image of supremacy (while also complaining about overcrowding)?

The best case scenario for the whole city but especially any family that has an existing path into either JR or Mac is to lift up Mac so that it is comparable to JR. They will not be exactly the same. Macarthur Blvd won't turn into Tenley at any rapid pace, JR will have established sports programs (which is not all upsides when your kid doesn't make the team) while Mac builds theirs out, etc etc but they will be comparable in terms of what I do believe is a legitimate concern of people on this forum--that an upper middle class kid can be in a cohort of kids getting a decent education that prepares them for college and life.

No one is trashing the school. But if you are going to make subjective or false statements, be ready to be countered with data. It’s all there.

That exactly the point - the data is NOT ALL THERE. Your data is based on the first two years of the school. The two years that did not have a dedicated Hardy feed and also that did not have a full enrollment, but only a few grades, and also did not have the campus fully constructed… Of COURSE IB parents with other options did not choose it in large numbers… only a couple dozen or so for those first first couple of years. But guess what? That is over now. The school is now pulling over 50% of Hardy graduates in just the first year of the dedicated feed and is on track to pull just as many this year and in the future.

So please, stop your masquerade about “not trashing” - it’s limp and lame. You clearly have an agenda against the success of this school. It’s weird, but it’s plain to see.

On the other hand, to counter, you also can’t make assumptions without data. Period.

You use what you have to compare and right now, it is from OSEE. If someone wants to provide accurate data now about MÁ stats, feel free. Highly doubt it has changed significantly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I truly do not understand the people trashing MacArthur here.

Are you neighborhood people trying to keep kids away? I promise you, your best shot at making this a school that is palatable to you is to make it so attractive to Hardy families that it becomes stacked in bound only families like JR.

Are you JR/Deal families that want to maintain the image of supremacy (while also complaining about overcrowding)?

The best case scenario for the whole city but especially any family that has an existing path into either JR or Mac is to lift up Mac so that it is comparable to JR. They will not be exactly the same. Macarthur Blvd won't turn into Tenley at any rapid pace, JR will have established sports programs (which is not all upsides when your kid doesn't make the team) while Mac builds theirs out, etc etc but they will be comparable in terms of what I do believe is a legitimate concern of people on this forum--that an upper middle class kid can be in a cohort of kids getting a decent education that prepares them for college and life.

No one is trashing the school. But if you are going to make subjective or false statements, be ready to be countered with data. It’s all there.

That exactly the point - the data is NOT ALL THERE. Your data is based on the first two years of the school. The two years that did not have a dedicated Hardy feed and also that did not have a full enrollment, but only a few grades, and also did not have the campus fully constructed… Of COURSE IB parents with other options did not choose it in large numbers… only a couple dozen or so for those first first couple of years. But guess what? That is over now. The school is now pulling over 50% of Hardy graduates in just the first year of the dedicated feed and is on track to pull just as many this year and in the future.

So please, stop your masquerade about “not trashing” - it’s limp and lame. You clearly have an agenda against the success of this school. It’s weird, but it’s plain to see.

On the other hand, to counter, you also can’t make assumptions without data. Period.

You use what you have to compare and right now, it is from OSEE. If someone wants to provide accurate data now about MÁ stats, feel free. Highly doubt it has changed significantly.

And you can’t assume that the small body of higher performing. kids at Hardy are the 50% that is choosing MÁS either.

[Anonymous]

I dunno, seems not that complicated to deduce when Hardy 4.0s are not getting Walls interviews, Banneker is a long commute, and Ellington requires auditions.

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Anonymous wrote:I truly do not understand the people trashing MacArthur here.

Are you neighborhood people trying to keep kids away? I promise you, your best shot at making this a school that is palatable to you is to make it so attractive to Hardy families that it becomes stacked in bound only families like JR.

Are you JR/Deal families that want to maintain the image of supremacy (while also complaining about overcrowding)?

The best case scenario for the whole city but especially any family that has an existing path into either JR or Mac is to lift up Mac so that it is comparable to JR. They will not be exactly the same. Macarthur Blvd won't turn into Tenley at any rapid pace, JR will have established sports programs (which is not all upsides when your kid doesn't make the team) while Mac builds theirs out, etc etc but they will be comparable in terms of what I do believe is a legitimate concern of people on this forum--that an upper middle class kid can be in a cohort of kids getting a decent education that prepares them for college and life.

No one is trashing the school. But if you are going to make subjective or false statements, be ready to be countered with data. It’s all there.

That exactly the point - the data is NOT ALL THERE. Your data is based on the first two years of the school. The two years that did not have a dedicated Hardy feed and also that did not have a full enrollment, but only a few grades, and also did not have the campus fully constructed… Of COURSE IB parents with other options did not choose it in large numbers… only a couple dozen or so for those first first couple of years. But guess what? That is over now. The school is now pulling over 50% of Hardy graduates in just the first year of the dedicated feed and is on track to pull just as many this year and in the future.

So please, stop your masquerade about “not trashing” - it’s limp and lame. You clearly have an agenda against the success of this school. It’s weird, but it’s plain to see.

On the other hand, to counter, you also can’t make assumptions without data. Period.

You use what you have to compare and right now, it is from OSEE. If someone wants to provide accurate data now about MÁ stats, feel free. Highly doubt it has changed significantly.

Doubt it based on what? You just said there is limited data.

And despite your "Period.", you absolutely can make assumptions without data. You make inferences about the future from what information you have.

It makes a lot more sense to forecast Macarthur based on current Hardy than past Macarthur. It's stupid to claim that the only relevant data is data we all know to be only semi-relevant.

[Anonymous]

We’re an in-boundary Hardy family, with a high performing child. We’re going to give MacArthur a try next year for a few reasons. One - it is convenient (we live in Georgetown). Two - our kid has really liked Hardy and, given the high number of kids that went to MacArthur from Hardy this past year, it seems there is a good chance that MacArthur will be a continuation of the Hardy experience. Three - the AP class offerings appear pretty solid. Four - we want to help build a neighbourhood HS. We’ve been pleased with Hardy; to have a HS equivalent would be pretty awesome.

Sure, there are some elements that we are not ecstatic about (no French and ongoing construction). But, all in all, we have a good feeling about it, are impressed with the principal/leadership team, and are going to give it a chance.

(As for the angst over scores that some have expressed on this thread, I honestly am not particularly concerned. This is the first year that Hardy students have had MacArthur as their only by-right HS option … it stands to reason that as Hardy students attend in increasing numbers, the scores will rise too. I would prefer them to be higher, but I am comfortable with the reality that they will trend upward as Hardy students increasingly attend.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We’re an in-boundary Hardy family, with a high performing child. We’re going to give MacArthur a try next year for a few reasons. One - it is convenient (we live in Georgetown). Two - our kid has really liked Hardy and, given the high number of kids that went to MacArthur from Hardy this past year, it seems there is a good chance that MacArthur will be a continuation of the Hardy experience. Three - the AP class offerings appear pretty solid. Four - we want to help build a neighbourhood HS. We’ve been pleased with Hardy; to have a HS equivalent would be pretty awesome.

Sure, there are some elements that we are not ecstatic about (no French and ongoing construction). But, all in all, we have a good feeling about it, are impressed with the principal/leadership team, and are going to give it a chance.

(As for the angst over scores that some have expressed on this thread, I honestly am not particularly concerned. This is the first year that Hardy students have had MacArthur as their only by-right HS option … it stands to reason that as Hardy students attend in increasing numbers, the scores will rise too. I would prefer them to be higher, but I am comfortable with the reality that they will trend upward as Hardy students increasingly attend.)

So refreshing to see a parent on here with the same opinion as me! Our kids love hardy and we are very hopeful that Macarthur will be like Hardy. Right now it seems as though Macarthur is like Hardy was but before Principal Westover because I heard that there are a lot of fights and my older son went to hardy a year before principal westover and it was like that too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I dunno, seems not that complicated to deduce when Hardy 4.0s are not getting Walls interviews, Banneker is a long commute, and Ellington requires auditions.

Well, around 1/2 the kids are going somewhere and/or moved. If they didn’t move, it could be Walls or private and most likely the high performers.

[Anonymous]

Just came here to say that the theater program will start next year as they will be hiring a drama teacher. Currently music program uses the fantastic black box theater the school already has. Ask the school for more info on this and they will be happy to share more details.

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Anonymous wrote:I truly do not understand the people trashing MacArthur here.

Are you neighborhood people trying to keep kids away? I promise you, your best shot at making this a school that is palatable to you is to make it so attractive to Hardy families that it becomes stacked in bound only families like JR.

Are you JR/Deal families that want to maintain the image of supremacy (while also complaining about overcrowding)?

The best case scenario for the whole city but especially any family that has an existing path into either JR or Mac is to lift up Mac so that it is comparable to JR. They will not be exactly the same. Macarthur Blvd won't turn into Tenley at any rapid pace, JR will have established sports programs (which is not all upsides when your kid doesn't make the team) while Mac builds theirs out, etc etc but they will be comparable in terms of what I do believe is a legitimate concern of people on this forum--that an upper middle class kid can be in a cohort of kids getting a decent education that prepares them for college and life.

No one is trashing the school. But if you are going to make subjective or false statements, be ready to be countered with data. It’s all there.

That exactly the point - the data is NOT ALL THERE. Your data is based on the first two years of the school. The two years that did not have a dedicated Hardy feed and also that did not have a full enrollment, but only a few grades, and also did not have the campus fully constructed… Of COURSE IB parents with other options did not choose it in large numbers… only a couple dozen or so for those first first couple of years. But guess what? That is over now. The school is now pulling over 50% of Hardy graduates in just the first year of the dedicated feed and is on track to pull just as many this year and in the future.

So please, stop your masquerade about “not trashing” - it’s limp and lame. You clearly have an agenda against the success of this school. It’s weird, but it’s plain to see.

On the other hand, to counter, you also can’t make assumptions without data. Period.

You use what you have to compare and right now, it is from OSEE. If someone wants to provide accurate data now about MÁ stats, feel free. Highly doubt it has changed significantly.

Doubt it based on what? You just said there is limited data.

And despite your "Period.", you absolutely can make assumptions without data. You make inferences about the future from what information you have.

It makes a lot more sense to forecast Macarthur based on current Hardy than past Macarthur. It's stupid to claim that the only relevant data is data we all know to be only semi-relevant.

It is obvious that you don’t have a STEM background because if you did, you would understand statistics and you would know that there is no way things are going to change with any significance in 1-2 years from the data from OSSE where only 5% kids above grade level in ELA and <1% in math.

As to inferences about the future, you don’t have the factual data on how many high performing kids actually went to MA this year. It could be 0 especially since so many did not track to MA. So you can’t make accurate assumptions at all.

Try taking a course in statistics before you call anyone stupid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I truly do not understand the people trashing MacArthur here.

Are you neighborhood people trying to keep kids away? I promise you, your best shot at making this a school that is palatable to you is to make it so attractive to Hardy families that it becomes stacked in bound only families like JR.

Are you JR/Deal families that want to maintain the image of supremacy (while also complaining about overcrowding)?

The best case scenario for the whole city but especially any family that has an existing path into either JR or Mac is to lift up Mac so that it is comparable to JR. They will not be exactly the same. Macarthur Blvd won't turn into Tenley at any rapid pace, JR will have established sports programs (which is not all upsides when your kid doesn't make the team) while Mac builds theirs out, etc etc but they will be comparable in terms of what I do believe is a legitimate concern of people on this forum--that an upper middle class kid can be in a cohort of kids getting a decent education that prepares them for college and life.

No one is trashing the school. But if you are going to make subjective or false statements, be ready to be countered with data. It’s all there.

That exactly the point - the data is NOT ALL THERE. Your data is based on the first two years of the school. The two years that did not have a dedicated Hardy feed and also that did not have a full enrollment, but only a few grades, and also did not have the campus fully constructed… Of COURSE IB parents with other options did not choose it in large numbers… only a couple dozen or so for those first first couple of years. But guess what? That is over now. The school is now pulling over 50% of Hardy graduates in just the first year of the dedicated feed and is on track to pull just as many this year and in the future.

So please, stop your masquerade about “not trashing” - it’s limp and lame. You clearly have an agenda against the success of this school. It’s weird, but it’s plain to see.

On the other hand, to counter, you also can’t make assumptions without data. Period.

You use what you have to compare and right now, it is from OSEE. If someone wants to provide accurate data now about MÁ stats, feel free. Highly doubt it has changed significantly.

And you can’t assume that the small body of higher performing. kids at Hardy are the 50% that is choosing MÁS either.

Same applies to Deal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I truly do not understand the people trashing MacArthur here.

Are you neighborhood people trying to keep kids away? I promise you, your best shot at making this a school that is palatable to you is to make it so attractive to Hardy families that it becomes stacked in bound only families like JR.

Are you JR/Deal families that want to maintain the image of supremacy (while also complaining about overcrowding)?

The best case scenario for the whole city but especially any family that has an existing path into either JR or Mac is to lift up Mac so that it is comparable to JR. They will not be exactly the same. Macarthur Blvd won't turn into Tenley at any rapid pace, JR will have established sports programs (which is not all upsides when your kid doesn't make the team) while Mac builds theirs out, etc etc but they will be comparable in terms of what I do believe is a legitimate concern of people on this forum--that an upper middle class kid can be in a cohort of kids getting a decent education that prepares them for college and life.

No one is trashing the school. But if you are going to make subjective or false statements, be ready to be countered with data. It’s all there.

That exactly the point - the data is NOT ALL THERE. Your data is based on the first two years of the school. The two years that did not have a dedicated Hardy feed and also that did not have a full enrollment, but only a few grades, and also did not have the campus fully constructed… Of COURSE IB parents with other options did not choose it in large numbers… only a couple dozen or so for those first first couple of years. But guess what? That is over now. The school is now pulling over 50% of Hardy graduates in just the first year of the dedicated feed and is on track to pull just as many this year and in the future.

So please, stop your masquerade about “not trashing” - it’s limp and lame. You clearly have an agenda against the success of this school. It’s weird, but it’s plain to see.

On the other hand, to counter, you also can’t make assumptions without data. Period.

You use what you have to compare and right now, it is from OSEE. If someone wants to provide accurate data now about MÁ stats, feel free. Highly doubt it has changed significantly.

Doubt it based on what? You just said there is limited data.

And despite your "Period.", you absolutely can make assumptions without data. You make inferences about the future from what information you have.

It makes a lot more sense to forecast Macarthur based on current Hardy than past Macarthur. It's stupid to claim that the only relevant data is data we all know to be only semi-relevant.

It is obvious that you don’t have a STEM background because if you did, you would understand statistics and you would know that there is no way things are going to change with any significance in 1-2 years from the data from OSSE where only 5% kids above grade level in ELA and <1% in math.

As to inferences about the future, you don’t have the factual data on how many high performing kids actually went to MA this year. It could be 0 especially since so many did not track to MA. So you can’t make accurate assumptions at all.

Try taking a course in statistics before you call anyone stupid.

Ha! I'll duel you in math anytime.

But I'm more intrigued on why you are so incensed by the idea that Macarthur is likely to end up with a decent cohort of smart kids.