Are Tattoos a Sin?

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Anonymous wrote:Or is that so Old Testament that modern Christians can ink away?

Where in the OT are tattoos even discussed?

Clear as day. Per Leviticus 19:28, “You shall not make gashes in your flesh for the dead, or incise any marks on yourselves.

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I love how bible thumpers get tattoos of the cross but don't know the above is in the bible.

Christian here. I knew that was in the Bible.

Reformed Protestant Christians (my tradition) believe that when Jesus Christ came, lived a sinless life fully fulfilling God's entire law to ancient Israel, died, and was raised again that was that for the law. The old covenant between God and his people was finished, completed by Christ himself. Now there's a new covenant. Under that new covenant the ceremonial law (like that verse in Leviticus) and the civil law (all the rules governing the government of Israel) no longer apply. Since the moral law - which is best spelled out in the 10 commandments - existed in the covenants before the old covenant, then it still applies. But the rest of it doesn't.

Before mocking Christians, you should check to see if we've actually...thought about stuff. You do realize entire PhDs exist in theology, right?

NP. This. Jesus brought in a new covenant. He discouraged religious bean counting and emphasized just two OT rules: love God, and love your neighbor. In fact, he said to go beyond loving your neighbor and love your enemy too. He also broke other specific OT rules, for example re consorting with unclean people (tax collectors lol and prostitutes) and specifically said that dietary rules were unnecessary (“it doesn’t matter what goes in your mouth, it matters what comes out of it”). So Christians are adhering to Jesus’ message by not getting fussed about Leviticus’ rules about clothing or tattoos.

This is what gets me about Christians. They disregard all the facts pointing out the flaws and inconsistencies in the Bible, since the only way to overcome the cognitive dissonance is to revert to the "Jesus is love" idea. This is tantamount to saying that Santa is real because "Santa is charitable and generous" and only has one rule: naughty or nice.

The gospels are actually quite consistent and the message is much deeper than what you're pretending.

This is what gets me about anti-Christian trolls: they post uneducated nonsense about tattoos that they read in some atheist chat group. Then when that doesn't work, they massively oversimplify the gospels.

The gospels are only consistent because they plagiarized off each other = mark, then matthew and luke, then john. You are also ignoring the fact that the rest of the Bible is not consistent, and completely contradicts itself. This is what happens to a book that has multiple authors across different generations. Perhaps the theist troll should try to understand more facts.

No, scholars who adhere to the Q Source theory about the Gospels--which is hypothetical, anyway--don't claim that John was part of it. And positing a single source for the bones of a story (which imo has some logic) still doesn't explain why the gospels read so differently or why each includes some different sets of new but consistent facts--compare Matthew to Luke, for example. Also, no Christian alive has any problem with the New Testament contradicting the Old, because Jesus explicitly said he was contradicting the Old. The ignorance here is jaw-dropping.

Ignorance is believing a compilation of bronze-age fictional parables are real.

+1

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Depends. Is it a tramp stamp?

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Anonymous wrote:Or is that so Old Testament that modern Christians can ink away?

Where in the OT are tattoos even discussed?

Clear as day. Per Leviticus 19:28, “You shall not make gashes in your flesh for the dead, or incise any marks on yourselves.

This

I love how bible thumpers get tattoos of the cross but don't know the above is in the bible.

Christian here. I knew that was in the Bible.

Reformed Protestant Christians (my tradition) believe that when Jesus Christ came, lived a sinless life fully fulfilling God's entire law to ancient Israel, died, and was raised again that was that for the law. The old covenant between God and his people was finished, completed by Christ himself. Now there's a new covenant. Under that new covenant the ceremonial law (like that verse in Leviticus) and the civil law (all the rules governing the government of Israel) no longer apply. Since the moral law - which is best spelled out in the 10 commandments - existed in the covenants before the old covenant, then it still applies. But the rest of it doesn't.

Before mocking Christians, you should check to see if we've actually...thought about stuff. You do realize entire PhDs exist in theology, right?

NP. This. Jesus brought in a new covenant. He discouraged religious bean counting and emphasized just two OT rules: love God, and love your neighbor. In fact, he said to go beyond loving your neighbor and love your enemy too. He also broke other specific OT rules, for example re consorting with unclean people (tax collectors lol and prostitutes) and specifically said that dietary rules were unnecessary (“it doesn’t matter what goes in your mouth, it matters what comes out of it”). So Christians are adhering to Jesus’ message by not getting fussed about Leviticus’ rules about clothing or tattoos.

This is what gets me about Christians. They disregard all the facts pointing out the flaws and inconsistencies in the Bible, since the only way to overcome the cognitive dissonance is to revert to the "Jesus is love" idea. This is tantamount to saying that Santa is real because "Santa is charitable and generous" and only has one rule: naughty or nice.

The gospels are actually quite consistent and the message is much deeper than what you're pretending.

This is what gets me about anti-Christian trolls: they post uneducated nonsense about tattoos that they read in some atheist chat group. Then when that doesn't work, they massively oversimplify the gospels.

The gospels are only consistent because they plagiarized off each other = mark, then matthew and luke, then john. You are also ignoring the fact that the rest of the Bible is not consistent, and completely contradicts itself. This is what happens to a book that has multiple authors across different generations. Perhaps the theist troll should try to understand more facts.

No, scholars who adhere to the Q Source theory about the Gospels--which is hypothetical, anyway--don't claim that John was part of it. And positing a single source for the bones of a story (which imo has some logic) still doesn't explain why the gospels read so differently or why each includes some different sets of new but consistent facts--compare Matthew to Luke, for example. Also, no Christian alive has any problem with the New Testament contradicting the Old, because Jesus explicitly said he was contradicting the Old. The ignorance here is jaw-dropping.

Ignorance is believing a compilation of bronze-age fictional parables are real.

Ohh, good one, troll.

The whole thread is a troll thread, starting with the OP.

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Anonymous wrote:Or is that so Old Testament that modern Christians can ink away?

Where in the OT are tattoos even discussed?

Clear as day. Per Leviticus 19:28, “You shall not make gashes in your flesh for the dead, or incise any marks on yourselves.

This

I love how bible thumpers get tattoos of the cross but don't know the above is in the bible.

Christian here. I knew that was in the Bible.

Reformed Protestant Christians (my tradition) believe that when Jesus Christ came, lived a sinless life fully fulfilling God's entire law to ancient Israel, died, and was raised again that was that for the law. The old covenant between God and his people was finished, completed by Christ himself. Now there's a new covenant. Under that new covenant the ceremonial law (like that verse in Leviticus) and the civil law (all the rules governing the government of Israel) no longer apply. Since the moral law - which is best spelled out in the 10 commandments - existed in the covenants before the old covenant, then it still applies. But the rest of it doesn't.

Before mocking Christians, you should check to see if we've actually...thought about stuff. You do realize entire PhDs exist in theology, right?

NP. This. Jesus brought in a new covenant. He discouraged religious bean counting and emphasized just two OT rules: love God, and love your neighbor. In fact, he said to go beyond loving your neighbor and love your enemy too. He also broke other specific OT rules, for example re consorting with unclean people (tax collectors lol and prostitutes) and specifically said that dietary rules were unnecessary (“it doesn’t matter what goes in your mouth, it matters what comes out of it”). So Christians are adhering to Jesus’ message by not getting fussed about Leviticus’ rules about clothing or tattoos.

This is what gets me about Christians. They disregard all the facts pointing out the flaws and inconsistencies in the Bible, since the only way to overcome the cognitive dissonance is to revert to the "Jesus is love" idea. This is tantamount to saying that Santa is real because "Santa is charitable and generous" and only has one rule: naughty or nice.

The gospels are actually quite consistent and the message is much deeper than what you're pretending.

This is what gets me about anti-Christian trolls: they post uneducated nonsense about tattoos that they read in some atheist chat group. Then when that doesn't work, they massively oversimplify the gospels.

The gospels are only consistent because they plagiarized off each other = mark, then matthew and luke, then john. You are also ignoring the fact that the rest of the Bible is not consistent, and completely contradicts itself. This is what happens to a book that has multiple authors across different generations. Perhaps the theist troll should try to understand more facts.

No, scholars who adhere to the Q Source theory about the Gospels--which is hypothetical, anyway--don't claim that John was part of it. And positing a single source for the bones of a story (which imo has some logic) still doesn't explain why the gospels read so differently or why each includes some different sets of new but consistent facts--compare Matthew to Luke, for example. Also, no Christian alive has any problem with the New Testament contradicting the Old, because Jesus explicitly said he was contradicting the Old. The ignorance here is jaw-dropping.

Ignorance is believing a compilation of bronze-age fictional parables are real.

Ohh, good one, troll.

The whole thread is a troll thread, starting with the OP.

What makes it a troll thread? Its mostly a discussion about religion, which is the point of this sub-forum.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or is that so Old Testament that modern Christians can ink away?

Where in the OT are tattoos even discussed?

Clear as day. Per Leviticus 19:28, “You shall not make gashes in your flesh for the dead, or incise any marks on yourselves.

This

I love how bible thumpers get tattoos of the cross but don't know the above is in the bible.

Christian here. I knew that was in the Bible.

Reformed Protestant Christians (my tradition) believe that when Jesus Christ came, lived a sinless life fully fulfilling God's entire law to ancient Israel, died, and was raised again that was that for the law. The old covenant between God and his people was finished, completed by Christ himself. Now there's a new covenant. Under that new covenant the ceremonial law (like that verse in Leviticus) and the civil law (all the rules governing the government of Israel) no longer apply. Since the moral law - which is best spelled out in the 10 commandments - existed in the covenants before the old covenant, then it still applies. But the rest of it doesn't.

Before mocking Christians, you should check to see if we've actually...thought about stuff. You do realize entire PhDs exist in theology, right?

NP. This. Jesus brought in a new covenant. He discouraged religious bean counting and emphasized just two OT rules: love God, and love your neighbor. In fact, he said to go beyond loving your neighbor and love your enemy too. He also broke other specific OT rules, for example re consorting with unclean people (tax collectors lol and prostitutes) and specifically said that dietary rules were unnecessary (“it doesn’t matter what goes in your mouth, it matters what comes out of it”). So Christians are adhering to Jesus’ message by not getting fussed about Leviticus’ rules about clothing or tattoos.

This is what gets me about Christians. They disregard all the facts pointing out the flaws and inconsistencies in the Bible, since the only way to overcome the cognitive dissonance is to revert to the "Jesus is love" idea. This is tantamount to saying that Santa is real because "Santa is charitable and generous" and only has one rule: naughty or nice.

The gospels are actually quite consistent and the message is much deeper than what you're pretending.

This is what gets me about anti-Christian trolls: they post uneducated nonsense about tattoos that they read in some atheist chat group. Then when that doesn't work, they massively oversimplify the gospels.

The gospels are only consistent because they plagiarized off each other = mark, then matthew and luke, then john. You are also ignoring the fact that the rest of the Bible is not consistent, and completely contradicts itself. This is what happens to a book that has multiple authors across different generations. Perhaps the theist troll should try to understand more facts.

No, scholars who adhere to the Q Source theory about the Gospels--which is hypothetical, anyway--don't claim that John was part of it. And positing a single source for the bones of a story (which imo has some logic) still doesn't explain why the gospels read so differently or why each includes some different sets of new but consistent facts--compare Matthew to Luke, for example. Also, no Christian alive has any problem with the New Testament contradicting the Old, because Jesus explicitly said he was contradicting the Old. The ignorance here is jaw-dropping.

Ignorance is believing a compilation of bronze-age fictional parables are real.

Ohh, good one, troll.

The whole thread is a troll thread, starting with the OP.

What makes it a troll thread? Its mostly a discussion about religion, which is the point of this sub-forum.

It's not a troll thread, this question is one that I have wondered about for a while.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or is that so Old Testament that modern Christians can ink away?

Where in the OT are tattoos even discussed?

Clear as day. Per Leviticus 19:28, “You shall not make gashes in your flesh for the dead, or incise any marks on yourselves.

This

I love how bible thumpers get tattoos of the cross but don't know the above is in the bible.

Christian here. I knew that was in the Bible.

Reformed Protestant Christians (my tradition) believe that when Jesus Christ came, lived a sinless life fully fulfilling God's entire law to ancient Israel, died, and was raised again that was that for the law. The old covenant between God and his people was finished, completed by Christ himself. Now there's a new covenant. Under that new covenant the ceremonial law (like that verse in Leviticus) and the civil law (all the rules governing the government of Israel) no longer apply. Since the moral law - which is best spelled out in the 10 commandments - existed in the covenants before the old covenant, then it still applies. But the rest of it doesn't.

Before mocking Christians, you should check to see if we've actually...thought about stuff. You do realize entire PhDs exist in theology, right?

Christians are not supposed to 'think' they are supposed to believe. Any thinking person would not believe your Protesant word salad above.

OK, I'll make sure to revoke the PhDs of any theologically conservative Christians out there, because Anonymous said so.

PhD's in theology - what a laugh. Just more grifting from schools of "theology" to make a buck.

PS - the fact that there are PhD's in theology doesn't make theology real -- it just means that people have studied it a lot and gotten PhD's in it. Not too many people bother with it these days. They know it's a dying field.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or is that so Old Testament that modern Christians can ink away?

Where in the OT are tattoos even discussed?

Clear as day. Per Leviticus 19:28, “You shall not make gashes in your flesh for the dead, or incise any marks on yourselves.

This

I love how bible thumpers get tattoos of the cross but don't know the above is in the bible.

Christian here. I knew that was in the Bible.

Reformed Protestant Christians (my tradition) believe that when Jesus Christ came, lived a sinless life fully fulfilling God's entire law to ancient Israel, died, and was raised again that was that for the law. The old covenant between God and his people was finished, completed by Christ himself. Now there's a new covenant. Under that new covenant the ceremonial law (like that verse in Leviticus) and the civil law (all the rules governing the government of Israel) no longer apply. Since the moral law - which is best spelled out in the 10 commandments - existed in the covenants before the old covenant, then it still applies. But the rest of it doesn't.

Before mocking Christians, you should check to see if we've actually...thought about stuff. You do realize entire PhDs exist in theology, right?

Christians are not supposed to 'think' they are supposed to believe. Any thinking person would not believe your Protesant word salad above.

OK, I'll make sure to revoke the PhDs of any theologically conservative Christians out there, because Anonymous said so.

PhD's in theology - what a laugh. Just more grifting from schools of "theology" to make a buck.

PS - the fact that there are PhD's in theology doesn't make theology real -- it just means that people have studied it a lot and gotten PhD's in it. Not too many people bother with it these days. They know it's a dying field.

They have to somehow create a facade of authority. How else would they perpetuate millennia old myths?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or is that so Old Testament that modern Christians can ink away?

Where in the OT are tattoos even discussed?

Clear as day. Per Leviticus 19:28, “You shall not make gashes in your flesh for the dead, or incise any marks on yourselves.

This

I love how bible thumpers get tattoos of the cross but don't know the above is in the bible.

Christian here. I knew that was in the Bible.

Reformed Protestant Christians (my tradition) believe that when Jesus Christ came, lived a sinless life fully fulfilling God's entire law to ancient Israel, died, and was raised again that was that for the law. The old covenant between God and his people was finished, completed by Christ himself. Now there's a new covenant. Under that new covenant the ceremonial law (like that verse in Leviticus) and the civil law (all the rules governing the government of Israel) no longer apply. Since the moral law - which is best spelled out in the 10 commandments - existed in the covenants before the old covenant, then it still applies. But the rest of it doesn't.

Before mocking Christians, you should check to see if we've actually...thought about stuff. You do realize entire PhDs exist in theology, right?

Christians are not supposed to 'think' they are supposed to believe. Any thinking person would not believe your Protesant word salad above.

OK, I'll make sure to revoke the PhDs of any theologically conservative Christians out there, because Anonymous said so.

PhD's in theology - what a laugh. Just more grifting from schools of "theology" to make a buck.

PS - the fact that there are PhD's in theology doesn't make theology real -- it just means that people have studied it a lot and gotten PhD's in it. Not too many people bother with it these days. They know it's a dying field.

They have to somehow create a facade of authority. How else would they perpetuate millennia old myths?

+1 and I bet that most phd's in theology don't believe it themselves. After all -- they studied it academically and know it's a bunch of myths.

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Anonymous wrote:The OT / Jewish rule set expressly forbids it. For Christianity more broadly, it would fall under though shalt not kill - that includes mutilating your own body. We are created in the image of God and getting a tattoo could be seen as sinful, although not a mortal sin in the context of Catholicism. I know this thread is just a bait to bash on Christianity more broadly. Luckily we are created with free will and you can do whatever you want.

Do you have free will if everything is already pre-determined according to God's plan?

Of course you do. You have a choice to get tattoo or not. But God warned you about the consequences. Wait 20 years with your tattoos and come tell us all your diagnoses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or is that so Old Testament that modern Christians can ink away?

Where in the OT are tattoos even discussed?

Clear as day. Per Leviticus 19:28, “You shall not make gashes in your flesh for the dead, or incise any marks on yourselves.

Ah, plastic surgery is also a sin.
So are operations to separate conjoined twins.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or is that so Old Testament that modern Christians can ink away?

Where in the OT are tattoos even discussed?

Clear as day. Per Leviticus 19:28, “You shall not make gashes in your flesh for the dead, or incise any marks on yourselves.

Ah, plastic surgery is also a sin.
So are operations to separate conjoined twins.

according to Leviticus, only

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or is that so Old Testament that modern Christians can ink away?

Where in the OT are tattoos even discussed?

Clear as day. Per Leviticus 19:28, “You shall not make gashes in your flesh for the dead, or incise any marks on yourselves.

Ah, plastic surgery is also a sin.
So are operations to separate conjoined twins.

according to Leviticus, only

Even Bible believers don't hesitate to have plastic surgery if they want it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The OT / Jewish rule set expressly forbids it. For Christianity more broadly, it would fall under though shalt not kill - that includes mutilating your own body. We are created in the image of God and getting a tattoo could be seen as sinful, although not a mortal sin in the context of Catholicism. I know this thread is just a bait to bash on Christianity more broadly. Luckily we are created with free will and you can do whatever you want.

Do you have free will if everything is already pre-determined according to God's plan?

Of course you do. You have a choice to get tattoo or not. But God warned you about the consequences. Wait 20 years with your tattoos and come tell us all your diagnoses.

Reading comprehension, dude! "... if everything is already pre-determined" = no free will (its an allusion if you believe God is omnipotent and omniscient).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or is that so Old Testament that modern Christians can ink away?

Where in the OT are tattoos even discussed?

Clear as day. Per Leviticus 19:28, “You shall not make gashes in your flesh for the dead, or incise any marks on yourselves.

This

I love how bible thumpers get tattoos of the cross but don't know the above is in the bible.

Christian here. I knew that was in the Bible.

Reformed Protestant Christians (my tradition) believe that when Jesus Christ came, lived a sinless life fully fulfilling God's entire law to ancient Israel, died, and was raised again that was that for the law. The old covenant between God and his people was finished, completed by Christ himself. Now there's a new covenant. Under that new covenant the ceremonial law (like that verse in Leviticus) and the civil law (all the rules governing the government of Israel) no longer apply. Since the moral law - which is best spelled out in the 10 commandments - existed in the covenants before the old covenant, then it still applies. But the rest of it doesn't.

Before mocking Christians, you should check to see if we've actually...thought about stuff. You do realize entire PhDs exist in theology, right?

DP. As a non-Christian, this was very helpful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or is that so Old Testament that modern Christians can ink away?

Where in the OT are tattoos even discussed?

Clear as day. Per Leviticus 19:28, “You shall not make gashes in your flesh for the dead, or incise any marks on yourselves.

This

I love how bible thumpers get tattoos of the cross but don't know the above is in the bible.

Christian here. I knew that was in the Bible.

Reformed Protestant Christians (my tradition) believe that when Jesus Christ came, lived a sinless life fully fulfilling God's entire law to ancient Israel, died, and was raised again that was that for the law. The old covenant between God and his people was finished, completed by Christ himself. Now there's a new covenant. Under that new covenant the ceremonial law (like that verse in Leviticus) and the civil law (all the rules governing the government of Israel) no longer apply. Since the moral law - which is best spelled out in the 10 commandments - existed in the covenants before the old covenant, then it still applies. But the rest of it doesn't.

Before mocking Christians, you should check to see if we've actually...thought about stuff. You do realize entire PhDs exist in theology, right?

DP. As a non-Christian, this was very helpful.

Of course you realize that pp was telling you what people from the reformed Protestant tradition BELIEVE. That's not to say that it is a fact or even that other traditions believe that.

Have you read the 10 commandments lately? The part of the Bible that pp says still applies? The first several commandments are all about who's in charge.