How can teenagers create such science projects?

[Anonymous]

And most young people that are involved in learning how to do science research as teens don't do amazing projects. They don't win competitions, they don't end up going to MIT. But some do .

And many of the students that do not manage to produce a project of any significance , are still successful in college in the sciences and in many other fields.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How come some teenagers are Olympic athletes? How how is it that some teenagers are professional musicians? How is it that some teenagers win international chess competitions? How is it that some teenagers get paid for any number of tasks that are also done by adults?

They have developed their talent for something at a young age. Not every young person is sitting around scrolling through tick tock all day. Some of them spend a lot of time and energy developing their assorted talents.

Those you cannot fake.

You make no sense. There are athletic prodigies and musical prodigies and art prodigies and language prodigies and math prodigies and yes science prodigies as well, etc. There are not that many of them and that is why they are notable and and they sometimes win prizes or manage to get some payment or other recognition of their progress.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had this conversation with DC last night. DC is in the running for valedictorian, plays two competitive sports and other activities. She works and volunteers, etc.
We did no pay to play and I almost feel guilty about it now.

Please don't. She will end up where she is supposed to be with likeminded people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come some teenagers are Olympic athletes? How how is it that some teenagers are professional musicians? How is it that some teenagers win international chess competitions? How is it that some teenagers get paid for any number of tasks that are also done by adults?

They have developed their talent for something at a young age. Not every young person is sitting around scrolling through tick tock all day. Some of them spend a lot of time and energy developing their assorted talents.

Those you cannot fake.

You make no sense. There are athletic prodigies and musical prodigies and art prodigies and language prodigies and math prodigies and yes science prodigies as well, etc. There are not that many of them and that is why they are notable and and they sometimes win prizes or manage to get some payment or other recognition of their progress.

All the professors and researchers on this board told you over and over again, it’s not possible. The time commitment requires several years of phd students full time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come some teenagers are Olympic athletes? How how is it that some teenagers are professional musicians? How is it that some teenagers win international chess competitions? How is it that some teenagers get paid for any number of tasks that are also done by adults?

They have developed their talent for something at a young age. Not every young person is sitting around scrolling through tick tock all day. Some of them spend a lot of time and energy developing their assorted talents.

Those you cannot fake.

You make no sense. There are athletic prodigies and musical prodigies and art prodigies and language prodigies and math prodigies and yes science prodigies as well, etc. There are not that many of them and that is why they are notable and and they sometimes win prizes or manage to get some payment or other recognition of their progress.

All the professors and researchers on this board told you over and over again, it’s not possible. The time commitment requires several years of phd students full time.

The people on this board should go look up the projects. There are lists of them and what they involve. They do not represent years of PHD level research. that is nonsense

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The same way parents start their kids in obscure sports and use $$$ per hour coaches and fly all over the world for camps and tournaments. The kids of top college alums in our NYC private have a set of activities cultivated since elementary school and private tutors to maintain grades. Then their parents make sure they have good internships in college. I know parents paying $200 per hour for math olympiad coaching. It never ends. However, the good news is some bright kids still do well in the college process based on their own efforts and merit.

It’s not the same with sports. In sports, the result still depends on the kid and their efforts.

You can have the best coaches and they won’t make your kid successful without their hard work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hate how cynical people are here. A lot of kids out there are gifted and capable of a lot

Those kids are not being admitted, don’t you get it?

I have a gifted, capable kid (now adult) that could not get into Ivy/top whatever. They went to a very good college, worked hard, did research under a professor and graduated. They are now in a very prestigious PhD program and are doing amazingly well. These kids rise on their merits regardless of where they go to college. Don’t stress about prestige in undergrad. If they go somewhere not as highly ranked, they will surely stand out. They just need to take some initiative and find the right opportunities and excel at them. For some kids (like mine) this is a better path. Mine is introverted and did not have the requisite confidence after high school. Being at an institution where they could stand out helped them learn to ask for and seize opportunities. They will leave their PhD with authorship on close to 10 articles (not all first author, obviously). I really think based on their current path, they will be a leader in their field. They had no research I. High school (and had not even expressed an interest in their particular field in high school). They went to a college that was great for them but many here would turn their nose up at. Bright kids excel in their own way and their own time if you let them create their own path. Pushing gifted kids just breaks them. Ivy may be the right path for some gifted kids but it’s not for others. Don’t sweat it. Let your kid lead.

Would you mind mentioning the undergrad college your kids went to that helped them build confidence?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The same way parents start their kids in obscure sports and use $$$ per hour coaches and fly all over the world for camps and tournaments. The kids of top college alums in our NYC private have a set of activities cultivated since elementary school and private tutors to maintain grades. Then their parents make sure they have good internships in college. I know parents paying $200 per hour for math olympiad coaching. It never ends. However, the good news is some bright kids still do well in the college process based on their own efforts and merit.

It’s not the same with sports. In sports, the result still depends on the kid and their efforts.

You can have the best coaches and they won’t make your kid successful without their hard work.

The best "coaches" for young people learning to do science research do not do the projects for them. Anyone doing that is not qualifying for any kind of best "coach" award.

Discourage your child from learning about science research if you think it's all a bunch of bull crap. There are plenty of other pursuits that high school students can get involved in. The science research program at our local high school is excellent. It's certainly not popular, but it is a good experience for the students that do want to be involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hate how cynical people are here. A lot of kids out there are gifted and capable of a lot

It’s a not enough time issue.

Our school starts at 8 and has mandatory athletics until 6. Plus HW and other extracurriculars….there’s not time to do significant lab research during the school year.

My son has a kid who’s making “biological breakthroughs” in his class. The kid is basically never in a lab working on projects…the lab he supposedly works in is run by his mom. Hmmm.

Just like the two kids I know who “started and run charities,” but it’s their mom doing all the work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come some teenagers are Olympic athletes? How how is it that some teenagers are professional musicians? How is it that some teenagers win international chess competitions? How is it that some teenagers get paid for any number of tasks that are also done by adults?

They have developed their talent for something at a young age. Not every young person is sitting around scrolling through tick tock all day. Some of them spend a lot of time and energy developing their assorted talents.

Those you cannot fake.

You make no sense. There are athletic prodigies and musical prodigies and art prodigies and language prodigies and math prodigies and yes science prodigies as well, etc. There are not that many of them and that is why they are notable and and they sometimes win prizes or manage to get some payment or other recognition of their progress.

All the professors and researchers on this board told you over and over again, it’s not possible. The time commitment requires several years of phd students full time.

Please don’t compare musicians and athletes to these fake researchers. To do this level research and obtain the skills requires years of skills building and experience and there is no way in hell a 14 year old got it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate how cynical people are here. A lot of kids out there are gifted and capable of a lot

It’s a not enough time issue.

Our school starts at 8 and has mandatory athletics until 6. Plus HW and other extracurriculars….there’s not time to do significant lab research during the school year.

My son has a kid who’s making “biological breakthroughs” in his class. The kid is basically never in a lab working on projects…the lab he supposedly works in is run by his mom. Hmmm.

Just like the two kids I know who “started and run charities,” but it’s their mom doing all the work.

Well, maybe you didn't realize that not every high school is like your high school. Our high school does not have mandatory Athletics until 6:00. In addition, the kids that do the science research program, do their most significant project during the summer between junior year and Senior year. That is after freshman, sophomore and Junior year of working up to that project.

There are thousands of different high schools out here and they offer all kinds of different things. Some have science research programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The same way parents start their kids in obscure sports and use $$$ per hour coaches and fly all over the world for camps and tournaments. The kids of top college alums in our NYC private have a set of activities cultivated since elementary school and private tutors to maintain grades. Then their parents make sure they have good internships in college. I know parents paying $200 per hour for math olympiad coaching. It never ends. However, the good news is some bright kids still do well in the college process based on their own efforts and merit.

It’s not the same with sports. In sports, the result still depends on the kid and their efforts.

You can have the best coaches and they won’t make your kid successful without their hard work.

The best "coaches" for young people learning to do science research do not do the projects for them. Anyone doing that is not qualifying for any kind of best "coach" award.

Discourage your child from learning about science research if you think it's all a bunch of bull crap. There are plenty of other pursuits that high school students can get involved in. The science research program at our local high school is excellent. It's certainly not popular, but it is a good experience for the students that do want to be involved.

The best coaches will not teach your kid how do science research, build web servers, build IoT devices and machine learning in the span of a few grades. It takes software engineers years to learn these skills. This is obviously not a kid project.

Nobody said you shouldn’t expose your kid to scientific research. People are saying don’t cheat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate how cynical people are here. A lot of kids out there are gifted and capable of a lot

It’s a not enough time issue.

Our school starts at 8 and has mandatory athletics until 6. Plus HW and other extracurriculars….there’s not time to do significant lab research during the school year.

My son has a kid who’s making “biological breakthroughs” in his class. The kid is basically never in a lab working on projects…the lab he supposedly works in is run by his mom. Hmmm.

Just like the two kids I know who “started and run charities,” but it’s their mom doing all the work.

Well, maybe you didn't realize that not every high school is like your high school. Our high school does not have mandatory Athletics until 6:00. In addition, the kids that do the science research program, do their most significant project during the summer between junior year and Senior year. That is after freshman, sophomore and Junior year of working up to that project.

There are thousands of different high schools out here and they offer all kinds of different things. Some have science research programs.

You seriously think that most 14/15/16 year olds can do research over the summer and come up with or finish such projects? These kids don’t even know enough about the subject or the research process or what is involved to conduct the research. These are fake projects , created by parents or others and the kids are getting to add their names to it.. if there were 2-3 kids conducting such research it would be maybe believable but now that every other kid is either writing a book or publishing papers and doing research it all seems bogus and bulls…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come some teenagers are Olympic athletes? How how is it that some teenagers are professional musicians? How is it that some teenagers win international chess competitions? How is it that some teenagers get paid for any number of tasks that are also done by adults?

They have developed their talent for something at a young age. Not every young person is sitting around scrolling through tick tock all day. Some of them spend a lot of time and energy developing their assorted talents.

Those you cannot fake.

You make no sense. There are athletic prodigies and musical prodigies and art prodigies and language prodigies and math prodigies and yes science prodigies as well, etc. There are not that many of them and that is why they are notable and and they sometimes win prizes or manage to get some payment or other recognition of their progress.

All the professors and researchers on this board told you over and over again, it’s not possible. The time commitment requires several years of phd students full time.

The people on this board should go look up the projects. There are lists of them and what they involve. They do not represent years of PHD level research. that is nonsense

Sequencing the genome of a fish ...
Determine the crystal structure of a critical mutant protein ...

I have looked at their research closely. No, these are years of Phd level work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate how cynical people are here. A lot of kids out there are gifted and capable of a lot

It’s a not enough time issue.

Our school starts at 8 and has mandatory athletics until 6. Plus HW and other extracurriculars….there’s not time to do significant lab research during the school year.

My son has a kid who’s making “biological breakthroughs” in his class. The kid is basically never in a lab working on projects…the lab he supposedly works in is run by his mom. Hmmm.

Just like the two kids I know who “started and run charities,” but it’s their mom doing all the work.

Well, maybe you didn't realize that not every high school is like your high school. Our high school does not have mandatory Athletics until 6:00. In addition, the kids that do the science research program, do their most significant project during the summer between junior year and Senior year. That is after freshman, sophomore and Junior year of working up to that project.

There are thousands of different high schools out here and they offer all kinds of different things. Some have science research programs.

You seriously think that most 14/15/16 year olds can do research over the summer and come up with or finish such projects? These kids don’t even know enough about the subject or the research process or what is involved to conduct the research. These are fake projects , created by parents or others and the kids are getting to add their names to it.. if there were 2-3 kids conducting such research it would be maybe believable but now that every other kid is either writing a book or publishing papers and doing research it all seems bogus and bulls…

Well, it sounds like you should encourage your child to find something else to do.