DCPS to MCPS, September birthday

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mr Professor doesn't know his students' ages and birthdays. He's just spewing bias.

You know, for all of the angst and stress constantly bubbling on these education threads (including the college and university one), it's kind of amazing how much vitriol gets consistently "spewed" at professors. Parents on here tend to be interested in having their kids go to college, but there is an enormous amount of hatred directed at those of us who are supposed to teach them. It feels like a real disconnect to me, especially when members of my profession are sharing their experiences with kids who are just older versions of your kids.

Just ignore the haters, they are here for everyone. Their hate does not discriminate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mr Professor doesn't know his students' ages and birthdays. He's just spewing bias.

You know, for all of the angst and stress constantly bubbling on these education threads (including the college and university one), it's kind of amazing how much vitriol gets consistently "spewed" at professors. Parents on here tend to be interested in having their kids go to college, but there is an enormous amount of hatred directed at those of us who are supposed to teach them. It feels like a real disconnect to me, especially when members of my profession are sharing their experiences with kids who are just older versions of your kids.

If he cannot handle teaching 18-year-olds (or she), they should not be teaching. Simple. People percieve older kids as smarter, but you cannot change IQ or easier and that's not necessarily true. You cannot make kids smarter by making them older. And, maturity is subjective.

I doubt the professor knows ages or probably even the students' names... be real.

[Anonymous]

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it really seems like this is something that should be up to parents, in consultation with the school, not decided by fiat. I also see the arguments for waiting for many kids, and why an extra year of PK could benefit a lot of kids. But it's not universal and maybe OP's kid is like mine and genuinely is ready for, and needs, kindergarten instead of another year of play-based PK.

When it comes to holding back, it is pretty much up to the parents. But I think that’s probably easier to manage. Many people think their kids are smarter than they are and try To push them before they are ready. When it doesn’t work, it’s really difficult on the child who can’t keep up.

Not in MCPS. MCPS forces families to hold back even if they can pass the exam with made up reasons which they don't even disclose.

Many kids are smart and many kids at age 5 aren't reading, writing and doing math so its an unreasonable expectation for younger kids when older kids aren't doing it. By age four mine was reading and doing basic math. They were reading by age three. They were at a preschool that taught them how to sit, read, write, do math and much more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

it really seems like this is something that should be up to parents, in consultation with the school, not decided by fiat. I also see the arguments for waiting for many kids, and why an extra year of PK could benefit a lot of kids. But it's not universal and maybe OP's kid is like mine and genuinely is ready for, and needs, kindergarten instead of another year of play-based PK.

When it comes to holding back, it is pretty much up to the parents. But I think that’s probably easier to manage. Many people think their kids are smarter than they are and try To push them before they are ready. When it doesn’t work, it’s really difficult on the child who can’t keep up.

Not in MCPS. MCPS forces families to hold back even if they can pass the exam with made up reasons which they don't even disclose.

Many kids are smart and many kids at age 5 aren't reading, writing and doing math so its an unreasonable expectation for younger kids when older kids aren't doing it. By age four mine was reading and doing basic math. They were reading by age three. They were at a preschool that taught them how to sit, read, write, do math and much more.

You missed the point. Red shirting (ie, holding back) is at the discretion of the parent. Pushing ahead (ie, early entrance) is up to the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mr Professor doesn't know his students' ages and birthdays. He's just spewing bias.

You know, for all of the angst and stress constantly bubbling on these education threads (including the college and university one), it's kind of amazing how much vitriol gets consistently "spewed" at professors. Parents on here tend to be interested in having their kids go to college, but there is an enormous amount of hatred directed at those of us who are supposed to teach them. It feels like a real disconnect to me, especially when members of my profession are sharing their experiences with kids who are just older versions of your kids.

If he cannot handle teaching 18-year-olds (or she), they should not be teaching. Simple. People percieve older kids as smarter, but you cannot change IQ or easier and that's not necessarily true. You cannot make kids smarter by making them older. And, maturity is subjective.

I doubt the professor knows ages or probably even the students' names... be real.

I'm the professor who posted, and my reasons for advocating older college freshmen have nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with maturity. If you have a 16-year-old who has the necessary resilience, organizational and life skills, practicality, and judgment to succeed in college, be my guest. But undergraduates as a population tend to make bad decisions and a portion of them do fall apart, especially the younger ones. I'd rather see some of these kids arrive at college a year later after some more psychological growth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, have your kid take the test - getting into K depends on how many classes they have in the school and if they are filled or not. Even if your kid is ahead by miles, if they don't have space, they will deny your kid. If your kid passes the test, go to the ES

If your kid does not make it, your back up is to do K in DC and then come as a 1st grader to MCPS.

If you go private, you have to do both K and 1st grade and come in as a 2nd grader

I don't think this will work. They don't let you take the test in MCPS until you register for kindergarten, including all the paperwork. (Remember, they are trying to make this as difficult as possible. They don't want to have to administer the test.) So, in order to take the test, OP would need to prove residence for the inbounds school. OP therefore won't have the backup of being able to go to DCPS, where she would also have to prove residency to remain at the school. (Unlike MCPS, DCPS requires everyone to prove residence every year.) So OP likely will have to choose whether it's worth moving to MoCo in the Spring and take the risk that her kid will have to do a private program.

Good point!

How about if OP's kid starts K in DC public school system and then transfers out to MCPS midway of the school year? Shouldn't that work? Since the kidhas already been enrolled in a public school system, same rule for transfering would apply?

Its going to depend on the school. More than likely they will not allow it but its very school-specific. Her best bet is to stay in DCPS for two years, then move to MCPS in 2nd. Very few schools allow test in as like PP said it depends on openings and the administrator, so then the only option is a private preschool or K.

OP would only need to stay through K. MCPS will transfer kid for 1st from a public school without testing. But I think they would also take a mid-year transfer for K.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mr Professor doesn't know his students' ages and birthdays. He's just spewing bias.

You know, for all of the angst and stress constantly bubbling on these education threads (including the college and university one), it's kind of amazing how much vitriol gets consistently "spewed" at professors. Parents on here tend to be interested in having their kids go to college, but there is an enormous amount of hatred directed at those of us who are supposed to teach them. It feels like a real disconnect to me, especially when members of my profession are sharing their experiences with kids who are just older versions of your kids.

If he cannot handle teaching 18-year-olds (or she), they should not be teaching. Simple. People percieve older kids as smarter, but you cannot change IQ or easier and that's not necessarily true. You cannot make kids smarter by making them older. And, maturity is subjective.

I doubt the professor knows ages or probably even the students' names... be real.

I'm the professor who posted, and my reasons for advocating older college freshmen have nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with maturity. If you have a 16-year-old who has the necessary resilience, organizational and life skills, practicality, and judgment to succeed in college, be my guest. But undergraduates as a population tend to make bad decisions and a portion of them do fall apart, especially the younger ones. I'd rather see some of these kids arrive at college a year later after some more psychological growth.

No one is talking about a 16 year old in college but MCPS does push juniors and seniors to MC. Take it up with MCPS is you don’t like it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mr Professor doesn't know his students' ages and birthdays. He's just spewing bias.

You know, for all of the angst and stress constantly bubbling on these education threads (including the college and university one), it's kind of amazing how much vitriol gets consistently "spewed" at professors. Parents on here tend to be interested in having their kids go to college, but there is an enormous amount of hatred directed at those of us who are supposed to teach them. It feels like a real disconnect to me, especially when members of my profession are sharing their experiences with kids who are just older versions of your kids.

If he cannot handle teaching 18-year-olds (or she), they should not be teaching. Simple. People percieve older kids as smarter, but you cannot change IQ or easier and that's not necessarily true. You cannot make kids smarter by making them older. And, maturity is subjective.

I doubt the professor knows ages or probably even the students' names... be real.

I'm the professor who posted, and my reasons for advocating older college freshmen have nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with maturity. If you have a 16-year-old who has the necessary resilience, organizational and life skills, practicality, and judgment to succeed in college, be my guest. But undergraduates as a population tend to make bad decisions and a portion of them do fall apart, especially the younger ones. I'd rather see some of these kids arrive at college a year later after some more psychological growth.

I have a number of close relatives who are college professors and they have never expressed this. From our conversations, they seem to view it as their responsibility to help younger students to grow into the student role. They also talk about how hard it is for people who have educational gaps to learn to become effective students.

It seems to me it really is the rare person who is college material that wont be successful regardless of starting young.