AAP Center Expansion?

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that if every middle school can send kids to TJ, then every middle school should be able to offer AAP.

Not that straightforward because certain courses require certain requirements. For example, a random teacher can’t just teach algebra and geometry (which is why algebra in 6th grade is crazy). You need a math endorsement from VDOE. Some local schools may not have the staff with those requirements.

I believe every MS has math teachers for Algebra 1 and most have a teacher for Geometry but those classes are not AAP classes.

But there are schools that do not have enough AAP students to offer AAP classes so the AAP kids are in honors classes. Center schools can offer AAP classes because they have more students and can offer multiple AAP classes in LA, Social Studies, and Science to meet the scheduling needs of the AAP kids at the school.

Some people will tell you that the honors courses are teaching the same material as the AAP courses, some people will tell you that the AAP courses go a bit more in depth. At a Center school, AAP kids will only be in classes with other AAP kids. Parents send their kids to the Center because they think the peer group is stronger and they don't like the open enrollment in Honors classes.

Every MS should hve enough kids who were selected for AAP that they have enough kids to fill out multiple sections of the 3 core AAP classes. There really isn't a need for MS Centers.

Why are people so bothered by MS center schools? What’s it to you if AAP kids choose to go to a center school over the local? It has no effect on your kid.

Not true in some cases. Take Lewis for example. Kids leave the pyramid for AAP middle school and then frequently transfer for high school (like at LBSS). This robs Lewis of high performing students and thus impacts the advanced courses Lewis can offer.

It is not an AAP kid’s job to create opportunity for non-AAP students. That is the job of FCPS. If you want better programming, you need to ask the county to provide it. Another student shouldn’t have to compromise on their education to trick FCPS into offering better programming.

Your kid can still have access to AAP if they offer it at every middle school. You aren’t owed a massive AAP center that is fed by three or four middle schools.

Why does it matter to you? Why so bothered?

I am going to guess you're a parent whose kid will go to Franklin instead of Carson if they put AAP at all middle schools. Why so worried? If there is an AAP program at Franklin your kid will be with many of their peers from Navy. Why should you get a choice to optimize your kid's education without having to move to a new home, that others do not get?

I’m gonna guess you’re a Franklin parent affected by restricting so looking to place blame on AAP because you’re mad jealous. So predictable!

Typical to assume it's jealousy rather than annoyance at the entitlement on display.

You're the one that clearly thinks she is entitled -- babe! Why don't YOU move?

Actually thinking about it to get away from so much uncertainty being created by all this. Because unlike you I don't assume FCPS will bend to my will.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that if every middle school can send kids to TJ, then every middle school should be able to offer AAP.

Not that straightforward because certain courses require certain requirements. For example, a random teacher can’t just teach algebra and geometry (which is why algebra in 6th grade is crazy). You need a math endorsement from VDOE. Some local schools may not have the staff with those requirements.

I believe every MS has math teachers for Algebra 1 and most have a teacher for Geometry but those classes are not AAP classes.

But there are schools that do not have enough AAP students to offer AAP classes so the AAP kids are in honors classes. Center schools can offer AAP classes because they have more students and can offer multiple AAP classes in LA, Social Studies, and Science to meet the scheduling needs of the AAP kids at the school.

Some people will tell you that the honors courses are teaching the same material as the AAP courses, some people will tell you that the AAP courses go a bit more in depth. At a Center school, AAP kids will only be in classes with other AAP kids. Parents send their kids to the Center because they think the peer group is stronger and they don't like the open enrollment in Honors classes.

Every MS should hve enough kids who were selected for AAP that they have enough kids to fill out multiple sections of the 3 core AAP classes. There really isn't a need for MS Centers.

Why are people so bothered by MS center schools? What’s it to you if AAP kids choose to go to a center school over the local? It has no effect on your kid.

Not true in some cases. Take Lewis for example. Kids leave the pyramid for AAP middle school and then frequently transfer for high school (like at LBSS). This robs Lewis of high performing students and thus impacts the advanced courses Lewis can offer.

It is not an AAP kid’s job to create opportunity for non-AAP students. That is the job of FCPS. If you want better programming, you need to ask the county to provide it. Another student shouldn’t have to compromise on their education to trick FCPS into offering better programming.

Your kid can still have access to AAP if they offer it at every middle school. You aren’t owed a massive AAP center that is fed by three or four middle schools.

Why does it matter to you? Why so bothered?

I am going to guess you're a parent whose kid will go to Franklin instead of Carson if they put AAP at all middle schools. Why so worried? If there is an AAP program at Franklin your kid will be with many of their peers from Navy. Why should you get a choice to optimize your kid's education without having to move to a new home, that others do not get?

I’m gonna guess you’re a Franklin parent affected by restricting so looking to place blame on AAP because you’re mad jealous. So predictable!

Gee. I cannot imagine anyone being upset to have a center at Franklin. There are way more than enough kids to justify it.

PP thinks her kids are too good and smart for Franklin. How will they ever get to TJ from there? The horror!

Are you jealous or just a racist?

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that if every middle school can send kids to TJ, then every middle school should be able to offer AAP.

Not that straightforward because certain courses require certain requirements. For example, a random teacher can’t just teach algebra and geometry (which is why algebra in 6th grade is crazy). You need a math endorsement from VDOE. Some local schools may not have the staff with those requirements.

I believe every MS has math teachers for Algebra 1 and most have a teacher for Geometry but those classes are not AAP classes.

But there are schools that do not have enough AAP students to offer AAP classes so the AAP kids are in honors classes. Center schools can offer AAP classes because they have more students and can offer multiple AAP classes in LA, Social Studies, and Science to meet the scheduling needs of the AAP kids at the school.

Some people will tell you that the honors courses are teaching the same material as the AAP courses, some people will tell you that the AAP courses go a bit more in depth. At a Center school, AAP kids will only be in classes with other AAP kids. Parents send their kids to the Center because they think the peer group is stronger and they don't like the open enrollment in Honors classes.

Every MS should hve enough kids who were selected for AAP that they have enough kids to fill out multiple sections of the 3 core AAP classes. There really isn't a need for MS Centers.

Why are people so bothered by MS center schools? What’s it to you if AAP kids choose to go to a center school over the local? It has no effect on your kid.

Not true in some cases. Take Lewis for example. Kids leave the pyramid for AAP middle school and then frequently transfer for high school (like at LBSS). This robs Lewis of high performing students and thus impacts the advanced courses Lewis can offer.

It is not an AAP kid’s job to create opportunity for non-AAP students. That is the job of FCPS. If you want better programming, you need to ask the county to provide it. Another student shouldn’t have to compromise on their education to trick FCPS into offering better programming.

Your kid can still have access to AAP if they offer it at every middle school. You aren’t owed a massive AAP center that is fed by three or four middle schools.

Why does it matter to you? Why so bothered?

I am going to guess you're a parent whose kid will go to Franklin instead of Carson if they put AAP at all middle schools. Why so worried? If there is an AAP program at Franklin your kid will be with many of their peers from Navy. Why should you get a choice to optimize your kid's education without having to move to a new home, that others do not get?

I’m gonna guess you’re a Franklin parent affected by restricting so looking to place blame on AAP because you’re mad jealous. So predictable!

Gee. I cannot imagine anyone being upset to have a center at Franklin. There are way more than enough kids to justify it.

PP thinks her kids are too good and smart for Franklin. How will they ever get to TJ from there? The horror!

Are you jealous or just a racist?

Oh wow throwing race in here now? You are a piece of work.

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Anonymous wrote:Good.

However, another reason to delay the boundary rezoing process.

This is going to throw a huge wrench in their plans for Thoreau if they send all the AAP kids from Jackson back. Carson and Franklin at least have the potential KAA adjustment delay to tweak.

Then it’s a good thing boundaries get reviewed every 5 years.

Even without KAA, Franklin could easily justify AAP. Look at how many go to Carson from Franklin.

Franklin doesnt need to justify AAP, for they have had an established AAP program for 10-15 years. Families have just had the choice between Franklin and Carson. Its time to end that choice.

The same thing happens with Irving and Lake Braddock.

At Irving, wouldn't this send more kids to WSHS? Because right now, kids in the pyramid who don't have Level 4 services at their school go to Sangster and then at middle school level, choose to stay at LBSS so they don't lose their friends. Feels like this would increase the number of kids at Irving and WSHS.

It would send around 100 kids back to Irving, but not a lot of kids transfer to LBSS from WSHS, only about 40 kids. Irvings capacity would just be more reflective of WSHS current capacity deficit than it is now.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that if every middle school can send kids to TJ, then every middle school should be able to offer AAP.

Not that straightforward because certain courses require certain requirements. For example, a random teacher can’t just teach algebra and geometry (which is why algebra in 6th grade is crazy). You need a math endorsement from VDOE. Some local schools may not have the staff with those requirements.

I believe every MS has math teachers for Algebra 1 and most have a teacher for Geometry but those classes are not AAP classes.

But there are schools that do not have enough AAP students to offer AAP classes so the AAP kids are in honors classes. Center schools can offer AAP classes because they have more students and can offer multiple AAP classes in LA, Social Studies, and Science to meet the scheduling needs of the AAP kids at the school.

Some people will tell you that the honors courses are teaching the same material as the AAP courses, some people will tell you that the AAP courses go a bit more in depth. At a Center school, AAP kids will only be in classes with other AAP kids. Parents send their kids to the Center because they think the peer group is stronger and they don't like the open enrollment in Honors classes.

Every MS should hve enough kids who were selected for AAP that they have enough kids to fill out multiple sections of the 3 core AAP classes. There really isn't a need for MS Centers.

Plus, once you get to HS, it truly is Honors for all! Or at least, honors for all who want it...

Yes and the difference from AAP middle school is staggering. We are back to unfocused, shouldn’t be there trouble makers even in honors classes in high school because it’s open enrollment. AAP classes in middle school were amazing. Honors classes in high school are a complete joke. You have to actually get to the AP level to weed out losers which sucks. AAP was nice. Wish they still have it in HS.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that if every middle school can send kids to TJ, then every middle school should be able to offer AAP.

Not that straightforward because certain courses require certain requirements. For example, a random teacher can’t just teach algebra and geometry (which is why algebra in 6th grade is crazy). You need a math endorsement from VDOE. Some local schools may not have the staff with those requirements.

I believe every MS has math teachers for Algebra 1 and most have a teacher for Geometry but those classes are not AAP classes.

But there are schools that do not have enough AAP students to offer AAP classes so the AAP kids are in honors classes. Center schools can offer AAP classes because they have more students and can offer multiple AAP classes in LA, Social Studies, and Science to meet the scheduling needs of the AAP kids at the school.

Some people will tell you that the honors courses are teaching the same material as the AAP courses, some people will tell you that the AAP courses go a bit more in depth. At a Center school, AAP kids will only be in classes with other AAP kids. Parents send their kids to the Center because they think the peer group is stronger and they don't like the open enrollment in Honors classes.

Every MS should hve enough kids who were selected for AAP that they have enough kids to fill out multiple sections of the 3 core AAP classes. There really isn't a need for MS Centers.

Plus, once you get to HS, it truly is Honors for all! Or at least, honors for all who want it...

Yes and the difference from AAP middle school is staggering. We are back to unfocused, shouldn’t be there trouble makers even in honors classes in high school because it’s open enrollment. AAP classes in middle school were amazing. Honors classes in high school are a complete joke. You have to actually get to the AP level to weed out losers which sucks. AAP was nice. Wish they still have it in HS.

Wow.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that if every middle school can send kids to TJ, then every middle school should be able to offer AAP.

Not that straightforward because certain courses require certain requirements. For example, a random teacher can’t just teach algebra and geometry (which is why algebra in 6th grade is crazy). You need a math endorsement from VDOE. Some local schools may not have the staff with those requirements.

I believe every MS has math teachers for Algebra 1 and most have a teacher for Geometry but those classes are not AAP classes.

But there are schools that do not have enough AAP students to offer AAP classes so the AAP kids are in honors classes. Center schools can offer AAP classes because they have more students and can offer multiple AAP classes in LA, Social Studies, and Science to meet the scheduling needs of the AAP kids at the school.

Some people will tell you that the honors courses are teaching the same material as the AAP courses, some people will tell you that the AAP courses go a bit more in depth. At a Center school, AAP kids will only be in classes with other AAP kids. Parents send their kids to the Center because they think the peer group is stronger and they don't like the open enrollment in Honors classes.

Every MS should hve enough kids who were selected for AAP that they have enough kids to fill out multiple sections of the 3 core AAP classes. There really isn't a need for MS Centers.

Plus, once you get to HS, it truly is Honors for all! Or at least, honors for all who want it...

Yes and the difference from AAP middle school is staggering. We are back to unfocused, shouldn’t be there trouble makers even in honors classes in high school because it’s open enrollment. AAP classes in middle school were amazing. Honors classes in high school are a complete joke. You have to actually get to the AP level to weed out losers which sucks. AAP was nice. Wish they still have it in HS.

Wow.

I’m sure the apple fall far from the tree with the kid(s) of that parent. Karma may come back to bite them when AI replaces the positions for which they groomed their children so carefully.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that if every middle school can send kids to TJ, then every middle school should be able to offer AAP.

Not that straightforward because certain courses require certain requirements. For example, a random teacher can’t just teach algebra and geometry (which is why algebra in 6th grade is crazy). You need a math endorsement from VDOE. Some local schools may not have the staff with those requirements.

I believe every MS has math teachers for Algebra 1 and most have a teacher for Geometry but those classes are not AAP classes.

But there are schools that do not have enough AAP students to offer AAP classes so the AAP kids are in honors classes. Center schools can offer AAP classes because they have more students and can offer multiple AAP classes in LA, Social Studies, and Science to meet the scheduling needs of the AAP kids at the school.

Some people will tell you that the honors courses are teaching the same material as the AAP courses, some people will tell you that the AAP courses go a bit more in depth. At a Center school, AAP kids will only be in classes with other AAP kids. Parents send their kids to the Center because they think the peer group is stronger and they don't like the open enrollment in Honors classes.

Every MS should hve enough kids who were selected for AAP that they have enough kids to fill out multiple sections of the 3 core AAP classes. There really isn't a need for MS Centers.

Plus, once you get to HS, it truly is Honors for all! Or at least, honors for all who want it...

Yes and the difference from AAP middle school is staggering. We are back to unfocused, shouldn’t be there trouble makers even in honors classes in high school because it’s open enrollment. AAP classes in middle school were amazing. Honors classes in high school are a complete joke. You have to actually get to the AP level to weed out losers which sucks. AAP was nice. Wish they still have it in HS.

Wow.

I’m sure the apple fall far from the tree with the kid(s) of that parent. Karma may come back to bite them when AI replaces the positions for which they groomed their children so carefully.

Don’t worry. AI will also replace your kids jobs too. Barista, fry cook and Uber driver.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that if every middle school can send kids to TJ, then every middle school should be able to offer AAP.

Not that straightforward because certain courses require certain requirements. For example, a random teacher can’t just teach algebra and geometry (which is why algebra in 6th grade is crazy). You need a math endorsement from VDOE. Some local schools may not have the staff with those requirements. [/quote

There's no way any FCPS middle school DOESN’T have multiple staff who are endorsed to teach Algebra and at least a few who can teach Geometry. They might not have staff endorsed to teach Calculus, but Algebra and Geometry? Of course they do.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that if every middle school can send kids to TJ, then every middle school should be able to offer AAP.

Not that straightforward because certain courses require certain requirements. For example, a random teacher can’t just teach algebra and geometry (which is why algebra in 6th grade is crazy). You need a math endorsement from VDOE. Some local schools may not have the staff with those requirements. [/quote

There's no way any FCPS middle school DOESN’T have multiple staff who are endorsed to teach Algebra and at least a few who can teach Geometry. They might not have staff endorsed to teach Calculus, but Algebra and Geometry? Of course they do.[/quote]

+1 First PP is looking for excuses to limit AAP to "center schools."

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that if every middle school can send kids to TJ, then every middle school should be able to offer AAP.

Not that straightforward because certain courses require certain requirements. For example, a random teacher can’t just teach algebra and geometry (which is why algebra in 6th grade is crazy). You need a math endorsement from VDOE. Some local schools may not have the staff with those requirements. [/quote

There's no way any FCPS middle school DOESN’T have multiple staff who are endorsed to teach Algebra and at least a few who can teach Geometry. They might not have staff endorsed to teach Calculus, but Algebra and Geometry? Of course they do.

Umm yes there is. There are MSs that offer classes online because they don’t have staff to teach certain classes.

I think this whole premise that the only solution to all the districting and bus issues is getting rid of all AAP centers is absolutely absurd. You can make the argument that AAP should be properly expanded but don’t blame the districting issues solely on AAP. You’re just looking for an easy scapegoat. Besides, school choice and charters are only growing so that argument just doesn’t fly in the current climate.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that if every middle school can send kids to TJ, then every middle school should be able to offer AAP.

Not that straightforward because certain courses require certain requirements. For example, a random teacher can’t just teach algebra and geometry (which is why algebra in 6th grade is crazy). You need a math endorsement from VDOE. Some local schools may not have the staff with those requirements. [/quote

There's no way any FCPS middle school DOESN’T have multiple staff who are endorsed to teach Algebra and at least a few who can teach Geometry. They might not have staff endorsed to teach Calculus, but Algebra and Geometry? Of course they do.[/quote]

+1 First PP is looking for excuses to limit AAP to "center schools."

Umm yes there is. There are MSs that offer classes online because they don’t have staff to teach certain classes.

I think this whole premise that the only solution to all the districting and bus issues is getting rid of all AAP centers is absolutely absurd. You can make the argument that AAP should be properly expanded but don’t blame the districting issues solely on AAP. You’re just looking for an easy scapegoat. Besides, school choice and charters are only growing so that argument just doesn’t fly in the current climate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that if every middle school can send kids to TJ, then every middle school should be able to offer AAP.

Not that straightforward because certain courses require certain requirements. For example, a random teacher can’t just teach algebra and geometry (which is why algebra in 6th grade is crazy). You need a math endorsement from VDOE. Some local schools may not have the staff with those requirements. [/quote

There's no way any FCPS middle school DOESN’T have multiple staff who are endorsed to teach Algebra and at least a few who can teach Geometry. They might not have staff endorsed to teach Calculus, but Algebra and Geometry? Of course they do.[/quote]

+1 First PP is looking for excuses to limit AAP to "center schools."

And you are looking for excuses to not switch elementary schools at any cost not to you.

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Are board meetings streamed live?

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The anti AAP center folks want to complain that AAP folks are entitled for wanting to keep their center school but the only reason they have an issue with this is is because they don’t want to cross the street to another elementary school that actually does meet their academic needs.