NVSL and sportsmanship

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our swim team doesn't let kids without times in A meets. How does that not cause hard feelings with the kid on the ladder with a time who should have had that spot?

If the kid on the ladder was faster than the kid winning from the outside lane, the kid on the ladder was not faster than the kid on the outside lane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our swim team doesn't let kids without times in A meets. How does that not cause hard feelings with the kid on the ladder with a time who should have had that spot?

Nobody has an official time for the first A meet. We’ve had instances where a swimmer with NT is known to be faster and swims in place of some with a time.

What would you do if you needed someone with NT to fill a lane? Not let them swim? At times had to beg non-swim team club members to swim. They obviously wouldn’t have times.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our swim team doesn't let kids without times in A meets. How does that not cause hard feelings with the kid on the ladder with a time who should have had that spot?

Nobody has an official time for the first A meet. We’ve had instances where a swimmer with NT is known to be faster and swims in place of some with a time.

What would you do if you needed someone with NT to fill a lane? Not let them swim? At times had to beg non-swim team club members to swim. They obviously wouldn’t have times.

Isn't that why every team does time trials? If a kid doesn't swim in time trials, he doesn't have a time he can use to get into an A meet until he swims it in a B meet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our swim team doesn't let kids without times in A meets. How does that not cause hard feelings with the kid on the ladder with a time who should have had that spot?

Nobody has an official time for the first A meet. We’ve had instances where a swimmer with NT is known to be faster and swims in place of some with a time.

What would you do if you needed someone with NT to fill a lane? Not let them swim? At times had to beg non-swim team club members to swim. They obviously wouldn’t have times.

Isn't that why every team does time trials? If a kid doesn't swim in time trials, he doesn't have a time he can use to get into an A meet until he swims it in a B meet.

Only A meet times from this year count as having a time for NVSL rules purposes. But there are lots of ways to figure out who is faster: time trials, b meets, race offs, last years times, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our swim team doesn't let kids without times in A meets. How does that not cause hard feelings with the kid on the ladder with a time who should have had that spot?

Nobody has an official time for the first A meet. We’ve had instances where a swimmer with NT is known to be faster and swims in place of some with a time.

What would you do if you needed someone with NT to fill a lane? Not let them swim? At times had to beg non-swim team club members to swim. They obviously wouldn’t have times.

Isn't that why every team does time trials? If a kid doesn't swim in time trials, he doesn't have a time he can use to get into an A meet until he swims it in a B meet.

Only A meet times from this year count as having a time for NVSL rules purposes. But there are lots of ways to figure out who is faster: time trials, b meets, race offs, last years times, etc.

I can't tell if you are being dense on purpose? I am a NP. Time trials and B meets are a fair and transparent way to give everyone the opportunity to qualify for an A meet. All the other suggestions are favoritism for some swimmers, who yes may be faster.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our swim team doesn't let kids without times in A meets. How does that not cause hard feelings with the kid on the ladder with a time who should have had that spot?

Nobody has an official time for the first A meet. We’ve had instances where a swimmer with NT is known to be faster and swims in place of some with a time.

What would you do if you needed someone with NT to fill a lane? Not let them swim? At times had to beg non-swim team club members to swim. They obviously wouldn’t have times.

Isn't that why every team does time trials? If a kid doesn't swim in time trials, he doesn't have a time he can use to get into an A meet until he swims it in a B meet.

That sounds like a great way for your team to do it. Other teams can do as they please.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our swim team doesn't let kids without times in A meets. How does that not cause hard feelings with the kid on the ladder with a time who should have had that spot?

Nobody has an official time for the first A meet. We’ve had instances where a swimmer with NT is known to be faster and swims in place of some with a time.

What would you do if you needed someone with NT to fill a lane? Not let them swim? At times had to beg non-swim team club members to swim. They obviously wouldn’t have times.

Isn't that why every team does time trials? If a kid doesn't swim in time trials, he doesn't have a time he can use to get into an A meet until he swims it in a B meet.

Only A meet times from this year count as having a time for NVSL rules purposes. But there are lots of ways to figure out who is faster: time trials, b meets, race offs, last years times, etc.

I can't tell if you are being dense on purpose? I am a NP. Time trials and B meets are a fair and transparent way to give everyone the opportunity to qualify for an A meet. All the other suggestions are favoritism for some swimmers, who yes may be faster.

Not necessarily. If a kid’s time from last year is faster than what others put down at time trials then I don’t find it unfair or favoritism to swim that swimmer in the first A meet as a NT.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our swim team doesn't let kids without times in A meets. How does that not cause hard feelings with the kid on the ladder with a time who should have had that spot?

Nobody has an official time for the first A meet. We’ve had instances where a swimmer with NT is known to be faster and swims in place of some with a time.

What would you do if you needed someone with NT to fill a lane? Not let them swim? At times had to beg non-swim team club members to swim. They obviously wouldn’t have times.

Isn't that why every team does time trials? If a kid doesn't swim in time trials, he doesn't have a time he can use to get into an A meet until he swims it in a B meet.

Only A meet times from this year count as having a time for NVSL rules purposes. But there are lots of ways to figure out who is faster: time trials, b meets, race offs, last years times, etc.

I can't tell if you are being dense on purpose? I am a NP. Time trials and B meets are a fair and transparent way to give everyone the opportunity to qualify for an A meet. All the other suggestions are favoritism for some swimmers, who yes may be faster.

Sure. Time trials and B meets are fair and transparent but it’s not a perfect solution.

Some clubs offer makeup time trials, some don’t. Some have a B meets before the first A meet, some don’t. Each club gets to handle it how they want. It’s their club.

A NT entry is within bounds of the NVSL rules. From an opposing team perspective (which is how the complaint originated) no foul was committed. Rules were followed.

A PP mentioned giving the opposing team a heads up of a fast NT swimmer. That’s a gracious thing to do. The opposing team could just as equally search for the NT swimmer in myNVSL for 2024 or swimcloud to get a feel for the swimmers speed if they are so concerned about NT swimmers

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our swim team doesn't let kids without times in A meets. How does that not cause hard feelings with the kid on the ladder with a time who should have had that spot?

Nobody has an official time for the first A meet. We’ve had instances where a swimmer with NT is known to be faster and swims in place of some with a time.

What would you do if you needed someone with NT to fill a lane? Not let them swim? At times had to beg non-swim team club members to swim. They obviously wouldn’t have times.

Isn't that why every team does time trials? If a kid doesn't swim in time trials, he doesn't have a time he can use to get into an A meet until he swims it in a B meet.

Let’s say a team has 60 swimmers. A number of those won’t be available for the first A meet, further reducing your options. You’re probably going to use a swimmer even if they missed time trials.

[Anonymous]

There is a really crazy intense dad of a middle age group daughter at DL. He is the same way at club meets. I feel horrible for her. Seems like this is their culture.

We were at D7 divisionals and sadly, I didn’t see a crazy intense dad. What does this guy do that’s bad for his kid?