Pride week in elementary school?

[Anonymous]

If they had a spirit week and one day was Pride Day about accepting others, that would be perfect. This is not.

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Anonymous wrote:But there are trans kids in elementary school. Think what it could mean to them to be celebrated instead of vilified.

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The kids will know that Bayard Rustin was gay and that he supported the LGBTQ+ community. This week seems very appropriate for elementary school and especially for one named after a gay activist.

Not appropriate for elementary school.

Not trying to be snarky but genuinely curious why you think elementary school is too young to learn about LGBTQ+ community? I would think it would help them to understand it’s good to be accepting of all people.

The message of acceptance can be given without discussing sexuality, which is what Pride is about ultimately. It’s not appropriate for young kids. An elementary school can celebrate love and school pride in a spirit week without bringing gay and trans issues into it.

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There is no mention of sexuality or issues. In fact if a kid asked what Trans is it could answered simply and then everyone would move on. And why would a school, a place of learning and acceptance avoid Pride month.

I would think each class would have to start with a definition of what trans is. If you skip that part, it is like celebrating MLK day and failing to mention who he was. There is no meaning/learning at all. As a K parent I would be interested to know how a K teacher would cover this topic.

If I were a K teacher, I would probably say that most people feel like their insides and their outsides match. They look like a girl and they feel like a girl, or they look like a boy and they feel like a boy. For some people that's not true, and that's why it's important to listen to people when they tell us who they are.

Then I would probably read Born Ready with them and move on with my day.

Thank you. That is helpful.

And you as the teacher feel equipt to talk to my kindergartener about switching genders? I hope not! If you made that message, many kindergarteners would think that boys who like pink and princesses should become girls and girls who like rough and tumble and short hair should become boys. That is a no! Girls can like whatever they like and boys can like whatever they like, but I don't want my child's kindergarten teacher saying that it's okay to just switch genders. That's overstepping.

This 100%. And something to note is that many people who have tendencies to be more opposite of their gender turn out to be gay. I would prefer that over deciding they are trans. Let it play out organically as opposed to it beiing shoved down their throats.

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Anonymous wrote:But there are trans kids in elementary school. Think what it could mean to them to be celebrated instead of vilified.

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The kids will know that Bayard Rustin was gay and that he supported the LGBTQ+ community. This week seems very appropriate for elementary school and especially for one named after a gay activist.

Not appropriate for elementary school.

Not trying to be snarky but genuinely curious why you think elementary school is too young to learn about LGBTQ+ community? I would think it would help them to understand it’s good to be accepting of all people.

The message of acceptance can be given without discussing sexuality, which is what Pride is about ultimately. It’s not appropriate for young kids. An elementary school can celebrate love and school pride in a spirit week without bringing gay and trans issues into it.

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There is no mention of sexuality or issues. In fact if a kid asked what Trans is it could answered simply and then everyone would move on. And why would a school, a place of learning and acceptance avoid Pride month.

I would think each class would have to start with a definition of what trans is. If you skip that part, it is like celebrating MLK day and failing to mention who he was. There is no meaning/learning at all. As a K parent I would be interested to know how a K teacher would cover this topic.

If I were a K teacher, I would probably say that most people feel like their insides and their outsides match. They look like a girl and they feel like a girl, or they look like a boy and they feel like a boy. For some people that's not true, and that's why it's important to listen to people when they tell us who they are.

Then I would probably read Born Ready with them and move on with my day.

Thank you. That is helpful.

And you as the teacher feel equipt to talk to my kindergartener about switching genders? I hope not! If you made that message, many kindergarteners would think that boys who like pink and princesses should become girls and girls who like rough and tumble and short hair should become boys. That is a no! Girls can like whatever they like and boys can like whatever they like, but I don't want my child's kindergarten teacher saying that it's okay to just switch genders. That's overstepping.

You have a really active imagination, pp. I mean, do you literally sit around all day dreaming up phantom menaces to clutch your pearls over? Good Lord, there are enough real problems in the world to focus on. Why go inventing more like this?

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Anonymous wrote:“It’s not happening”
“It rarely happens”
“Sure it happens, but it’s a good thing”
“You’re a bigot if you don’t support it happening”


I think we’re somewhere between 3 and 4 now.

You are confused. What folks have said in the past is that in-depth or graphic conversations about lgbtq subjects are not happening in elementary school. That remains true. No one ever would have claimed, though, that a love is love spirit day would never happen because there's nothing age inappropriate about it.

I think the point here is that we don’t know what’s happening in the classroom and weeks like these may open the door for discussions that teachers are not equipped to have. Don’t get me started on inserting your personal beliefs.

Can we just focus on reading and math? I’m surprised admin/teachers have time for this in the current climate.

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Anonymous wrote:But there are trans kids in elementary school. Think what it could mean to them to be celebrated instead of vilified.

+1

The kids will know that Bayard Rustin was gay and that he supported the LGBTQ+ community. This week seems very appropriate for elementary school and especially for one named after a gay activist.

Not appropriate for elementary school.

Not trying to be snarky but genuinely curious why you think elementary school is too young to learn about LGBTQ+ community? I would think it would help them to understand it’s good to be accepting of all people.

The message of acceptance can be given without discussing sexuality, which is what Pride is about ultimately. It’s not appropriate for young kids. An elementary school can celebrate love and school pride in a spirit week without bringing gay and trans issues into it.

+100

There is no mention of sexuality or issues. In fact if a kid asked what Trans is it could answered simply and then everyone would move on. And why would a school, a place of learning and acceptance avoid Pride month.

I would think each class would have to start with a definition of what trans is. If you skip that part, it is like celebrating MLK day and failing to mention who he was. There is no meaning/learning at all. As a K parent I would be interested to know how a K teacher would cover this topic.

If I were a K teacher, I would probably say that most people feel like their insides and their outsides match. They look like a girl and they feel like a girl, or they look like a boy and they feel like a boy. For some people that's not true, and that's why it's important to listen to people when they tell us who they are.

Then I would probably read Born Ready with them and move on with my day.

Thank you. That is helpful.

And you as the teacher feel equipt to talk to my kindergartener about switching genders? I hope not! If you made that message, many kindergarteners would think that boys who like pink and princesses should become girls and girls who like rough and tumble and short hair should become boys. That is a no! Girls can like whatever they like and boys can like whatever they like, but I don't want my child's kindergarten teacher saying that it's okay to just switch genders. That's overstepping.

This 100%. And something to note is that many people who have tendencies to be more opposite of their gender turn out to be gay. I would prefer that over deciding they are trans. Let it play out organically as opposed to it beiing shoved down their throats.

First of all, simply noting that trans people exist is not exactly shoving it down anybody's throat.

Second of all, it's interesting that you think being gay is fine, but being trans is the problem. It's worth reminding folks that this whole trans panic only emerged after the right-wing lost the culture wars over the existence of gay, lesbian and bisexual people. It's just another front to keep the money coming.

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Anonymous wrote:Ummm. You do know who Bayard Rustin is, right?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_Rustin

Very well versed in who Bayard Rustin was. He was a Black man, first and foremost, and no other month, including Black history month, was celebrated with a spirt week.

Why is it for you to say what he or isn't fire and foremost?

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Anonymous wrote:But there are trans kids in elementary school. Think what it could mean to them to be celebrated instead of vilified.

+1

The kids will know that Bayard Rustin was gay and that he supported the LGBTQ+ community. This week seems very appropriate for elementary school and especially for one named after a gay activist.

Not appropriate for elementary school.

Not trying to be snarky but genuinely curious why you think elementary school is too young to learn about LGBTQ+ community? I would think it would help them to understand it’s good to be accepting of all people.

The message of acceptance can be given without discussing sexuality, which is what Pride is about ultimately. It’s not appropriate for young kids. An elementary school can celebrate love and school pride in a spirit week without bringing gay and trans issues into it.

+100

There is no mention of sexuality or issues. In fact if a kid asked what Trans is it could answered simply and then everyone would move on. And why would a school, a place of learning and acceptance avoid Pride month.

I would think each class would have to start with a definition of what trans is. If you skip that part, it is like celebrating MLK day and failing to mention who he was. There is no meaning/learning at all. As a K parent I would be interested to know how a K teacher would cover this topic.

If I were a K teacher, I would probably say that most people feel like their insides and their outsides match. They look like a girl and they feel like a girl, or they look like a boy and they feel like a boy. For some people that's not true, and that's why it's important to listen to people when they tell us who they are.

Then I would probably read Born Ready with them and move on with my day.

Thank you. That is helpful.

And you as the teacher feel equipt to talk to my kindergartener about switching genders? I hope not! If you made that message, many kindergarteners would think that boys who like pink and princesses should become girls and girls who like rough and tumble and short hair should become boys. That is a no! Girls can like whatever they like and boys can like whatever they like, but I don't want my child's kindergarten teacher saying that it's okay to just switch genders. That's overstepping.

You have a really active imagination, pp. I mean, do you literally sit around all day dreaming up phantom menaces to clutch your pearls over? Good Lord, there are enough real problems in the world to focus on. Why go inventing more like this?

A pp on this thread literally said they would read the book “Born Ready” to their kindergarten class. That is a book about a girl who believes they are really a boy. Many parents would object to introducing the idea that girls or boys can somehow “really be” the opposite sex.

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Anonymous wrote:But there are trans kids in elementary school. Think what it could mean to them to be celebrated instead of vilified.

Is the opposite of celebrating, vilifying? There are plenty of opportunities within the curriculum to learn about people with all types of backgrounds. And to make it an actual learning experience. This feels like the school/admin has an agenda.

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5 year olds do not need to celebrate the trans community. I think the other days are fine, but this one is bothering me.

What if they are trans or know someone who is trans?

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Anonymous wrote:But there are trans kids in elementary school. Think what it could mean to them to be celebrated instead of vilified.

+1

The kids will know that Bayard Rustin was gay and that he supported the LGBTQ+ community. This week seems very appropriate for elementary school and especially for one named after a gay activist.

Not appropriate for elementary school.

Not trying to be snarky but genuinely curious why you think elementary school is too young to learn about LGBTQ+ community? I would think it would help them to understand it’s good to be accepting of all people.

The message of acceptance can be given without discussing sexuality, which is what Pride is about ultimately. It’s not appropriate for young kids. An elementary school can celebrate love and school pride in a spirit week without bringing gay and trans issues into it.

+100

There is no mention of sexuality or issues. In fact if a kid asked what Trans is it could answered simply and then everyone would move on. And why would a school, a place of learning and acceptance avoid Pride month.

I would think each class would have to start with a definition of what trans is. If you skip that part, it is like celebrating MLK day and failing to mention who he was. There is no meaning/learning at all. As a K parent I would be interested to know how a K teacher would cover this topic.

If I were a K teacher, I would probably say that most people feel like their insides and their outsides match. They look like a girl and they feel like a girl, or they look like a boy and they feel like a boy. For some people that's not true, and that's why it's important to listen to people when they tell us who they are.

Then I would probably read Born Ready with them and move on with my day.

Thank you. That is helpful.

And you as the teacher feel equipt to talk to my kindergartener about switching genders? I hope not! If you made that message, many kindergarteners would think that boys who like pink and princesses should become girls and girls who like rough and tumble and short hair should become boys. That is a no! Girls can like whatever they like and boys can like whatever they like, but I don't want my child's kindergarten teacher saying that it's okay to just switch genders. That's overstepping.

This 100%. And something to note is that many people who have tendencies to be more opposite of their gender turn out to be gay. I would prefer that over deciding they are trans. Let it play out organically as opposed to it beiing shoved down their throats.

First of all, simply noting that trans people exist is not exactly shoving it down anybody's throat.

Second of all, it's interesting that you think being gay is fine, but being trans is the problem. It's worth reminding folks that this whole trans panic only emerged after the right-wing lost the culture wars over the existence of gay, lesbian and bisexual people. It's just another front to keep the money coming.

Devoting a day of “Pride” week to celebrating trans people is a step beyond simply noting that trans people exist.

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Anonymous wrote:But there are trans kids in elementary school. Think what it could mean to them to be celebrated instead of vilified.

+1

The kids will know that Bayard Rustin was gay and that he supported the LGBTQ+ community. This week seems very appropriate for elementary school and especially for one named after a gay activist.

Not appropriate for elementary school.

Not trying to be snarky but genuinely curious why you think elementary school is too young to learn about LGBTQ+ community? I would think it would help them to understand it’s good to be accepting of all people.

The message of acceptance can be given without discussing sexuality, which is what Pride is about ultimately. It’s not appropriate for young kids. An elementary school can celebrate love and school pride in a spirit week without bringing gay and trans issues into it.

+100

There is no mention of sexuality or issues. In fact if a kid asked what Trans is it could answered simply and then everyone would move on. And why would a school, a place of learning and acceptance avoid Pride month.

I would think each class would have to start with a definition of what trans is. If you skip that part, it is like celebrating MLK day and failing to mention who he was. There is no meaning/learning at all. As a K parent I would be interested to know how a K teacher would cover this topic.

If I were a K teacher, I would probably say that most people feel like their insides and their outsides match. They look like a girl and they feel like a girl, or they look like a boy and they feel like a boy. For some people that's not true, and that's why it's important to listen to people when they tell us who they are.

Then I would probably read Born Ready with them and move on with my day.

Thank you. That is helpful.

And you as the teacher feel equipt to talk to my kindergartener about switching genders? I hope not! If you made that message, many kindergarteners would think that boys who like pink and princesses should become girls and girls who like rough and tumble and short hair should become boys. That is a no! Girls can like whatever they like and boys can like whatever they like, but I don't want my child's kindergarten teacher saying that it's okay to just switch genders. That's overstepping.

This 100%. And something to note is that many people who have tendencies to be more opposite of their gender turn out to be gay. I would prefer that over deciding they are trans. Let it play out organically as opposed to it beiing shoved down their throats.

First of all, simply noting that trans people exist is not exactly shoving it down anybody's throat.

Second of all, it's interesting that you think being gay is fine, but being trans is the problem. It's worth reminding folks that this whole trans panic only emerged after the right-wing lost the culture wars over the existence of gay, lesbian and bisexual people. It's just another front to keep the money coming.

Devoting a day of “Pride” week to celebrating trans people is a step beyond simply noting that trans people exist.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lgbtqb folks get the carpet rolled out for them. This is insane.

How about a week celebrating folks with disabilities? We do nothing to celebrate them.

Disability Pride Month is in July but maybe you could organize an earlier celebration. This year "All the way to the top" was a nominee for the star book award. The book is about Jennifer Keelan Chaffins who participated in the Capitol crawl when she was 8. My students really enjoyed learning about her and were suppised how recently the ADA was passed

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Anonymous wrote:But there are trans kids in elementary school. Think what it could mean to them to be celebrated instead of vilified.

Is the opposite of celebrating, vilifying? There are plenty of opportunities within the curriculum to learn about people with all types of backgrounds. And to make it an actual learning experience. This feels like the school/admin has an agenda.

+1

5 year olds do not need to celebrate the trans community. I think the other days are fine, but this one is bothering me.

What if they are trans or know someone who is trans?

Odds are they don’t. Odds are low for anyone but they’ve got to be almost nonexistent for 5 year olds

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Anonymous wrote:But there are trans kids in elementary school. Think what it could mean to them to be celebrated instead of vilified.

+1

The kids will know that Bayard Rustin was gay and that he supported the LGBTQ+ community. This week seems very appropriate for elementary school and especially for one named after a gay activist.

Not appropriate for elementary school.

Not trying to be snarky but genuinely curious why you think elementary school is too young to learn about LGBTQ+ community? I would think it would help them to understand it’s good to be accepting of all people.

The message of acceptance can be given without discussing sexuality, which is what Pride is about ultimately. It’s not appropriate for young kids. An elementary school can celebrate love and school pride in a spirit week without bringing gay and trans issues into it.

+100

There is no mention of sexuality or issues. In fact if a kid asked what Trans is it could answered simply and then everyone would move on. And why would a school, a place of learning and acceptance avoid Pride month.

I would think each class would have to start with a definition of what trans is. If you skip that part, it is like celebrating MLK day and failing to mention who he was. There is no meaning/learning at all. As a K parent I would be interested to know how a K teacher would cover this topic.

If I were a K teacher, I would probably say that most people feel like their insides and their outsides match. They look like a girl and they feel like a girl, or they look like a boy and they feel like a boy. For some people that's not true, and that's why it's important to listen to people when they tell us who they are.

Then I would probably read Born Ready with them and move on with my day.

Thank you. That is helpful.

And you as the teacher feel equipt to talk to my kindergartener about switching genders? I hope not! If you made that message, many kindergarteners would think that boys who like pink and princesses should become girls and girls who like rough and tumble and short hair should become boys. That is a no! Girls can like whatever they like and boys can like whatever they like, but I don't want my child's kindergarten teacher saying that it's okay to just switch genders. That's overstepping.

Its weird how transphobic people think that gender identity boils down to princess of trucks or hairstyles.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But there are trans kids in elementary school. Think what it could mean to them to be celebrated instead of vilified.

Is the opposite of celebrating, vilifying? There are plenty of opportunities within the curriculum to learn about people with all types of backgrounds. And to make it an actual learning experience. This feels like the school/admin has an agenda.

+1

5 year olds do not need to celebrate the trans community. I think the other days are fine, but this one is bothering me.

What if they are trans or know someone who is trans?

Odds are they don’t. Odds are low for anyone but they’ve got to be almost nonexistent for 5 year olds

Not for my kids. They have a trans classmate and a family friend who is trans. You might know more people than you think who just aren't disclosing things to you.

[Anonymous]

Is it so awful to acknowledge that kids of all ages may identify as non-binary and/or have a parent, friend, or other family member who is LGTBQ+ and that these people matter and are entitled to live in peace and safety?

Keep it age appropriate, sure. But good on BR ES for holding this spirit week. It’s not too early to learn about and celebrate diversity and humanity.

I swear, so many people committed to dehumanizing other people. Just sad.