Netanyahu on CNBC opposes a two state solution for the Palestenians

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Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

And yet if anyone says the state of Israel should not exist it is antisemitic. It is only allowed to say a Palestinian state should never exist.

Bingo.

That makes no sense. Like learn to write a grammatically correct sentence first. Palestinians are the ones who rejected the two state solution. Nice try in manufactured outrage. You need to brush up on the history of this conflict before posting this trash.

Oh look another Zionist post. Yell and scream at anyone who say Israel should not exist while saying a Palestinian state will never exist. Take your milḥemet mitzvah some place else.

I’m not a Zionist nor am I even Jewish. I’m your average American who has lived through this BS for years and think both sides suck but Hamas is a terrorist organization who places the destruction of Israel over the needs and well being of Palestinians people. Hamas/Arafat whoever never negotiate in good faith.

Israel is a dictatorship and they even raided Al jazeerah office and have banned its broadcasts in Israel

I have much more sympathy for the victims. Israel is strongly right wing and bigoted.
At some point you have to acknowledge that religious ideology is just that, an idea. Not realistic or possible to implement.
The 80% Jewish majority is not sustainable if you want peace. Compromise must be made somewhere. The current situation is not sustainable in the long term.
Israelis are giving their children a terrible legacy

Religion, all religion, is causing more problems than it solves. Anyone who follows a religion is giving their child a terrible legacy. Palestinians aren’t doing any better by their kids. There really aren’t any victims in this situation, a very very long situation.

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Anonymous wrote:Well Arafat turned down a two state solution when Ehub Barak offered it.

Ehud Barak the lame duck?

Yeah I can offer you a Brooklyn Bridge too.

It was offered and turned down. All you need to know. Many of the pro-Palestine crowd seem to forget history so just a quick refresh here. Two state solution was offered and Arafat rejected. So I don’t see why any new Israeli leader would rehash a rejected plan, especially after the Oct 7th attack. Such bad faith argument here.

I think thats a little basic dont you think? I offered you half a cookie but it was moldy. I offered to split a house with you but your side has no access to running water or the kitchen.

Palestinians had to give up their claims to most of East Jerusalem and forfeit their Right of Return and were offered a non contiguous state.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm old enough to remember when Israel was behind a two state solution conditioned upon Palestine recognizing them as a viable state. Palestine said no

Wrong. The PLO said yes. It is the Israelis that changed their mind after Rabin was assasinated by Israeli terrorists.

Yigal Amir was not a terrorist. He was following Jewish law. Many rabbis had proclaimed din rodef. There is no hope for the Palestinians.

Please don't delete this. Sunlight is the best disinfectant of open calls for genocide.

Calling it a genocide is so hyperbolic. You sound hysterical. Palestinians attacked Israelis. There has been a back and forth of attacks for decades. Neither party is innocent. Both sides keep perpetuating the violence. As for the person posting about Amir above, s/he is being hyperbolic just like you. Both of you are flip sides of the same coin.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm old enough to remember when Israel was behind a two state solution conditioned upon Palestine recognizing them as a viable state. Palestine said no

Wrong. The PLO said yes. It is the Israelis that changed their mind after Rabin was assasinated by Israeli terrorists.

Factually wrong.

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Israel is the only democratic government in the area, and the only one that is currently not killing LGBTQ people by throwing them off buildings.

They have a thriving tech sector making products most of use every day and they’re more or less a western style government.

The IS should support an Israeli state, but it should also support something for the Palestinians. How we the US cannot allow what happened on 10/6-10/7 to be the norm.

As far as I’m concerned the US should divest itself from any country over there that doesn’t carry western democratic values. Most of the other countries in the ME were dictatorships or rabbles of Muslim extremists

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The NYT just published a long piece in their magazine based on a multiyear investigation which documents "how violent factions within the settler movement have repeatedly received protection from the Israeli government despite attacks against Palestinians — and even against Israeli officials who tried to challenge the settlers...Their story is an account of a sometimes criminal nationalistic movement that has been allowed to operate with impunity and gradually move from the fringes to the mainstream of Israeli society.”

"The Unpunished: How Extremists Took Over Israel
After 50 years of failure to stop violence and terrorism against Palestinians by Jewish ultranationalists, lawlessness has become the law."
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/magazine/israel-west-bank-settler-violence-impunity.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20240516&instance_id=123502&nl=the-morning®i_id=76284337&segment_id=166795&te=1&user_id=6220629ffe78419def9b07accf35c694

It's clear that extremists in Israel (extremist settlers, extreme RW politicians) and extremists among the Palestinians (Hamas and other terrorist groups and their followers), are in control to the detriment of their own people. We see some of that in our own country and in parts of Europe. I think most people are decent and just want to have a good life for themselves and their children. It's the extremists that are the problem--and they exist everywhere.

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Why is our government still funding both sides?

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I mean the options are either a two state solution or Israel gives the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank the same rights as other Israelis of various religions and backgrounds (Israel has a sizeable Muslim minority with its own political party). I guess my issue is, would either of those things stop the attacks and anti-Semitism coming from the Muslim world at large directed at Israel and Jews in general … I don’t think it would.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm old enough to remember when Israel was behind a two state solution conditioned upon Palestine recognizing them as a viable state. Palestine said no

Wrong. The PLO said yes. It is the Israelis that changed their mind after Rabin was assasinated by Israeli terrorists.

Factually wrong.

How?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm old enough to remember when Israel was behind a two state solution conditioned upon Palestine recognizing them as a viable state. Palestine said no

Tha PLO officially recognized Israel in 1993. That was 31 years ago. How many settlers did Israel move to the West Bank since 1993? How much Palestinian land was taken since 1993? How many new settlements were built in the West Bank since 1993? You need to refresh your memory and maybe dont get info just from Settlers Daily

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The PLO recognized Israel, but then Israel moved the goalpost and insisted on being recognized as a Jewish state, knowing that was a poison pill.

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Informative article in the New York Times Magazine dropped today: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/magazine/israel-west-bank-settler-violence-impunity.html
While all eyes are set on Gaza, a slow motion catastrophe unfolds in the West Bank undermining Palestinian aspirations for a state, and Israel's future as a liberal democracy.

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Anonymous wrote:Informative article in the New York Times Magazine dropped today: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/magazine/israel-west-bank-settler-violence-impunity.html
While all eyes are set on Gaza, a slow motion catastrophe unfolds in the West Bank undermining Palestinian aspirations for a state, and Israel's future as a liberal democracy.

This is why Hamas was able to enter Israel because all the troops were in the West Bank preparing for annexation. This is also why Netanyahu is still in power. They want the West Bank and parts of Gaza. Biden wants the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

Because a Jewish state assumes a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule. That's why.

Why does there have to be a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian people. In what other circumstances do we allow ethno and religious states? We didn't allow America to become a "White" country. No one split South Africa into two.

If Jewish people want to live in Israel, fine, but you don't get to cleanse the place of everyone else who lives there, and you don't get to disenfranchise those people and treat them as second class citizens. It's not a sustainable solution and was never an appropriate response to the Holocaust. It just feeds into this idea of Jewish supremacy, and isn't any different than white supremacy and other such nonsense.

It is different, though. Sorry but Jews are special. Truly they’ve been persecuted throughout history and everyone kinda hates them. If they want to be left alone to in their own state, it’s the most reasonable basis for “supremacy” that ever existed.

I don’t buy that propaganda, Jews are no more special than anyone else.
And by the way, the Gypsies in Europe have been persecuted more

Name another group that’s been persecuted as a matter of government policy (not just random bigotry) as much?

Roma (wtf with “Gypsies”) are itinerant and don’t want a state, so it’s not a good analogy. If they did, however, maybe they’d have similar claim to necessary protection.

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Anonymous wrote:How about a one state solution? Where Palestenians are given freedoms and citizenship in Israel where they have economic opportunties and political freedoms to vote? Is this a crazy idea?

Why is that hard? America is not split between white america and black america. There isn't two countries in America. There is just America and all citizens given freedoms, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, etc.

Am I missing something in my logic? Why cannot the Palestenians be granted Israeli citizenship and become citizens?

Because a Jewish state assumes a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule. That's why.

Why does there have to be a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian people. In what other circumstances do we allow ethno and religious states? We didn't allow America to become a "White" country. No one split South Africa into two.

If Jewish people want to live in Israel, fine, but you don't get to cleanse the place of everyone else who lives there, and you don't get to disenfranchise those people and treat them as second class citizens. It's not a sustainable solution and was never an appropriate response to the Holocaust. It just feeds into this idea of Jewish supremacy, and isn't any different than white supremacy and other such nonsense.

It is different, though. Sorry but Jews are special. Truly they’ve been persecuted throughout history and everyone kinda hates them. If they want to be left alone to in their own state, it’s the most reasonable basis for “supremacy” that ever existed.

I don’t buy that propaganda, Jews are no more special than anyone else.
And by the way, the Gypsies in Europe have been persecuted more

Name another group that’s been persecuted as a matter of government policy (not just random bigotry) as much?

Roma (wtf with “Gypsies”) are itinerant and don’t want a state, so it’s not a good analogy. If they did, however, maybe they’d have similar claim to necessary protection.

Plenty
The native Americans, black slaves in the US, the Russian rule has always been brutal to all ethnic minorities, plenty oppressed in China, South America has its own stories, Zulu empire was brutal

The list goes on