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Anonymous wrote:DS got accepted, geometry in 8th, no experience factor, solved the math/science question correctly.

Do they tell you solved correctly? How do kids know how did on it?

It was not a very hard problem. Probably a breeze for those in math counts club at my DD’s school. For reference my DD did not get into the math counts club at her school due to competition.
AMC 8 score 16. So top 25%.
She did not have enough time to complete it. As per her because she had to explain and essay about the problem.
The sob story essays are a big part of being selected.

DD has been selected. Geometry HN
No experience factors. 4 gpa in math and science. South Asian.

My best wishes to all kids worked hard and sure are very talented and didn’t get in.
Also best of luck to those who got in.
I am not a fan of the new process. It’s not transparent.

DS is in.

He agreed with your DD that this year’s problem was not ultimately difficult.

However, he also said the wording was very confusing, and he could see how many kids could have gotten tripped up by the confusing wording.

That should not happen. It would be less likely to happen if there were more than just one question.

Agree

I think that question is great, it requires very basic algebra so as not to put disadvantages on students who are not rushing to take high level math class (wink - geometry in the summer). The question also requires thinking, I guess that is what the kids meant by "confusing". It requires careful reading and logical problem solving skills. Good job TJ for this question!

However, I don't know how this question is weighted in the "holistic" admission process. Is it 5%, 25%, 50%, or else? This is the part that TJ admission can be improved.

They want to know the students approach to the problem. They explicitly mentioned in the video about admissions that they don’t care about the grammatical correctness or correct spelling in the essay. They are interested in the ideas conveyed by the applicant.
About math problem less importance on correct answer. More weight age to the explanation and approach to solve it.
My DD is very good at reading questions and understanding them clearly.

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Anonymous wrote:DC waitlisted. 4.0. AP Pre-Calculus. Won gold, silver, bronze in different competitions. Volunteered a lot with the community (because DC wanted to do so, not bc of TJ. DC will continue doing so no matter what).

DC’s friends, DC, us and everyone knew DC were shocked with the result.

DC is resilient though. DC started discussing a new plan at base HS with us.

Try sophomore admission at TJ if DC does not get in this year

Better yet, thrive at the base school. TJ isn't all that.

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Anonymous wrote:DS got accepted, geometry in 8th, no experience factor, solved the math/science question correctly.

Do they tell you solved correctly? How do kids know how did on it?

It was not a very hard problem. Probably a breeze for those in math counts club at my DD’s school. For reference my DD did not get into the math counts club at her school due to competition.
AMC 8 score 16. So top 25%.
She did not have enough time to complete it. As per her because she had to explain and essay about the problem.
The sob story essays are a big part of being selected.

DD has been selected. Geometry HN
No experience factors. 4 gpa in math and science. South Asian.

My best wishes to all kids worked hard and sure are very talented and didn’t get in.
Also best of luck to those who got in.
I am not a fan of the new process. It’s not transparent.

DS is in.

He agreed with your DD that this year’s problem was not ultimately difficult.

However, he also said the wording was very confusing, and he could see how many kids could have gotten tripped up by the confusing wording.

That should not happen. It would be less likely to happen if there were more than just one question.

Agree

I think that question is great, it requires very basic algebra so as not to put disadvantages on students who are not rushing to take high level math class (wink - geometry in the summer). The question also requires thinking, I guess that is what the kids meant by "confusing". It requires careful reading and logical problem solving skills. Good job TJ for this question!

However, I don't know how this question is weighted in the "holistic" admission process. Is it 5%, 25%, 50%, or else? This is the part that TJ admission can be improved.

They want to know the students approach to the problem. They explicitly mentioned in the video about admissions that they don’t care about the grammatical correctness or correct spelling in the essay. They are interested in the ideas conveyed by the applicant.
About math problem less importance on correct answer. More weight age to the explanation and approach to solve it.
My DD is very good at reading questions and understanding them clearly.

I can understand student's approach to the problem and ideas IF it is indeed a difficult problem. This year's math problem was not difficult at all. So in addition to the ideas/approaches etc., the student should be able to get the correct answer.

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Anonymous wrote:DS got accepted, geometry in 8th, no experience factor, solved the math/science question correctly.

Do they tell you solved correctly? How do kids know how did on it?

It was not a very hard problem. Probably a breeze for those in math counts club at my DD’s school. For reference my DD did not get into the math counts club at her school due to competition.
AMC 8 score 16. So top 25%.
She did not have enough time to complete it. As per her because she had to explain and essay about the problem.
The sob story essays are a big part of being selected.

DD has been selected. Geometry HN
No experience factors. 4 gpa in math and science. South Asian.

My best wishes to all kids worked hard and sure are very talented and didn’t get in.
Also best of luck to those who got in.
I am not a fan of the new process. It’s not transparent.

DS is in.

He agreed with your DD that this year’s problem was not ultimately difficult.

However, he also said the wording was very confusing, and he could see how many kids could have gotten tripped up by the confusing wording.

That should not happen. It would be less likely to happen if there were more than just one question.

You are complaining that the easy math test was too hard and PP ran out of time and didn't finish? Sounds like it was the right amount of difficulty.

More like a time management thing. Caught up in explaining as you go. Remember it’s an essay.

The IAAT is a time management test, as is the Cogat for grades 3 and up.

Your DD was not as fast as all the other kids who were able to fully answer the question in the allotted time. Lucky for her that her other answers were good enough.

Yes she is lucky. Speed was never her thing. Never went to any math or any kind of enrichment classes outside of school till now. So speed is an issue for now as far tests are concerned. She prepared for the essays though. She did say she was able do well on the essays.

How did she prepare for the essays?

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Anonymous wrote:DS got accepted, geometry in 8th, no experience factor, solved the math/science question correctly.

Do they tell you solved correctly? How do kids know how did on it?

It was not a very hard problem. Probably a breeze for those in math counts club at my DD’s school. For reference my DD did not get into the math counts club at her school due to competition.
AMC 8 score 16. So top 25%.
She did not have enough time to complete it. As per her because she had to explain and essay about the problem.
The sob story essays are a big part of being selected.

DD has been selected. Geometry HN
No experience factors. 4 gpa in math and science. South Asian.

My best wishes to all kids worked hard and sure are very talented and didn’t get in.
Also best of luck to those who got in.
I am not a fan of the new process. It’s not transparent.

DS is in.

He agreed with your DD that this year’s problem was not ultimately difficult.

However, he also said the wording was very confusing, and he could see how many kids could have gotten tripped up by the confusing wording.

That should not happen. It would be less likely to happen if there were more than just one question.

You are complaining that the easy math test was too hard and PP ran out of time and didn't finish? Sounds like it was the right amount of difficulty.

More like a time management thing. Caught up in explaining as you go. Remember it’s an essay.

The IAAT is a time management test, as is the Cogat for grades 3 and up.

Your DD was not as fast as all the other kids who were able to fully answer the question in the allotted time. Lucky for her that her other answers were good enough.

Yes she is lucky. Speed was never her thing. Never went to any math or any kind of enrichment classes outside of school till now. So speed is an issue for now as far tests are concerned. She prepared for the essays though. She did say she was able do well on the essays.

How did she prepare for the essays?

... slowly...

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Anonymous wrote:DS Accepted. pre-calculus, 4.0, Asian

Pre-calculus? What do kids do at TJ if they've already gone this far in math?

DC currently at TJ completed pre-calc in middle school, outside FCPS. past precalc, TJ has four levels: Calc AB, Calc BC, Multi/linear, elementary diff & applied math techniques

And then retake them all in college. Or major in humanities.

stem majors take follow math courses in college. retake only if student got a C or D. Your comment is as ridiculous as suggesting, taking four years of any subject like English, science, etc, in HS would have to be mean tretaking those courses in college?

I was a STEM (electrical engineering) major in college. Those were most of the math classes I took, absent one or two others (placed out of Calc and started with diff eq - no college will place student out of that, they will retake it). There's no reason to take them in high school, other than extreme acceleration and a need to take some sort of math class in high school.

A few minutes of googling will show you that UIUC, NCSU, and ASU are just a few of the institutions which offer departmental challenge exams for math classes like differential equations. Furthermore, the number of institutions that will let you place out of these classes informally greatly outnumbers those with formal programs mentioned in their website.

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Anonymous wrote:DD says last year Math was easier than this year’s question.

Wording on this year’s made it lil more confusing than last year’s question. According to her - once you get thru that then it is a straightforward answer.

DD messed her essays. Waitlisted

Asian, 4.00 GPA, pre-calculus

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Anonymous wrote:DS Accepted. pre-calculus, 4.0, Asian

Pre-calculus? What do kids do at TJ if they've already gone this far in math?

DC currently at TJ completed pre-calc in middle school, outside FCPS. past precalc, TJ has four levels: Calc AB, Calc BC, Multi/linear, elementary diff & applied math techniques

Anonymous wrote:DC waitlisted. 4.0. AP Pre-Calculus. Won gold, silver, bronze in different competitions. Volunteered a lot with the community (because DC wanted to do so, not bc of TJ. DC will continue doing so no matter what).

DC’s friends, DC, us and everyone knew DC were shocked with the result.

DC is resilient though. DC started discussing a new plan at base HS with us.

When did they complete alg 1/geo/alg 2?

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Anonymous wrote:What schools are kids taking Algebra II and Precalculus? Our school doesn't offer these and the kids who got in are very good students but not brilliant.

Possibly LoCo. They accelerate a lot more than Fairfax does although they have recently been reducing the very large numbers of students taking Algebra in 6th to a slightly smaller large number.

Maybe at some schools it is large. At our mid level school it wasn’t a thing.

30-40 across the county, mostly in Ashburn with a handful per school

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Anonymous wrote:DS Accepted. pre-calculus, 4.0, Asian

Pre-calculus? What do kids do at TJ if they've already gone this far in math?

DC currently at TJ completed pre-calc in middle school, outside FCPS. past precalc, TJ has four levels: Calc AB, Calc BC, Multi/linear, elementary diff & applied math techniques

And then retake them all in college. Or major in humanities.

stem majors take follow math courses in college. retake only if student got a C or D. Your comment is as ridiculous as suggesting, taking four years of any subject like English, science, etc, in HS would have to be mean tretaking those courses in college?

I was a STEM (electrical engineering) major in college. Those were most of the math classes I took, absent one or two others (placed out of Calc and started with diff eq - no college will place student out of that, they will retake it). There's no reason to take them in high school, other than extreme acceleration and a need to take some sort of math class in high school.

A few minutes of googling will show you that UIUC, NCSU, and ASU are just a few of the institutions which offer departmental challenge exams for math classes like differential equations. Furthermore, the number of institutions that will let you place out of these classes informally greatly outnumbers those with formal programs mentioned in their website.

MIT will give credit.

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Anonymous wrote:DS got accepted, geometry in 8th, no experience factor, solved the math/science question correctly.

Do they tell you solved correctly? How do kids know how did on it?

It was not a very hard problem. Probably a breeze for those in math counts club at my DD’s school. For reference my DD did not get into the math counts club at her school due to competition.
AMC 8 score 16. So top 25%.
She did not have enough time to complete it. As per her because she had to explain and essay about the problem.
The sob story essays are a big part of being selected.

DD has been selected. Geometry HN
No experience factors. 4 gpa in math and science. South Asian.

My best wishes to all kids worked hard and sure are very talented and didn’t get in.
Also best of luck to those who got in.
I am not a fan of the new process. It’s not transparent.

DS is in.

He agreed with your DD that this year’s problem was not ultimately difficult.

However, he also said the wording was very confusing, and he could see how many kids could have gotten tripped up by the confusing wording.

That should not happen. It would be less likely to happen if there were more than just one question.

You are complaining that the easy math test was too hard and PP ran out of time and didn't finish? Sounds like it was the right amount of difficulty.

More like a time management thing. Caught up in explaining as you go. Remember it’s an essay.

The IAAT is a time management test, as is the Cogat for grades 3 and up.

Your DD was not as fast as all the other kids who were able to fully answer the question in the allotted time. Lucky for her that her other answers were good enough.

Yes she is lucky. Speed was never her thing. Never went to any math or any kind of enrichment classes outside of school till now. So speed is an issue for now as far tests are concerned. She prepared for the essays though. She did say she was able do well on the essays.

How did she prepare for the essays?

... slowly...

Yup. Slow and steady clinched the race! 😊

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25% for the math essay, the general essay, GPA,

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Anonymous wrote:DD says last year Math was easier than this year’s question.

Wording on this year’s made it lil more confusing than last year’s question. According to her - once you get thru that then it is a straightforward answer.

DD messed her essays. Waitlisted

Asian, 4.00 GPA, pre-calculus

troll post desperately convincing others that math acceleration doesnt help getting into TJ. Troll may have a point, since admissions doesnot evaluate student's math level.

But what troll doesnt mention is math acceleration in middle school lets that student take the highest level of advanced math courses offered at TJ, after getting admitted . TJ has been offering advanced math post AP DE courses for decades, and only fast learners on accelerated path have access to them, and never the Algebra 1 in 8th grade kids. The most the bottom student entering with 8th grade Algebra 1 is at best Calc AB, that too with significant remedial help.

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Anonymous wrote:DD says last year Math was easier than this year’s question.

Wording on this year’s made it lil more confusing than last year’s question. According to her - once you get thru that then it is a straightforward answer.

DD messed her essays. Waitlisted

Asian, 4.00 GPA, pre-calculus

troll post desperately convincing others that math acceleration doesnt help getting into TJ. Troll may have a point, since admissions doesnot evaluate student's math level.

But what troll doesnt mention is math acceleration in middle school lets that student take the highest level of advanced math courses offered at TJ, after getting admitted . TJ has been offering advanced math post AP DE courses for decades, and only fast learners on accelerated path have access to them, and never the Algebra 1 in 8th grade kids. The most the bottom student entering with 8th grade Algebra 1 is at best Calc AB, that too with significant remedial help.

Agree 100%. The math level is not counted as part of the application process, that's a shame IMO but it is what it is. But if you are entering TJ with just Algebra 1 then it will be a struggle as you cannot take advantage of the advanced math classes offered by TJ and thus risk being in the bottom low. Please understand that the rigor and difficulty level at TJ is much higher than your base high school so if you did get in with Algebra 1, you seriously want to rethink accepting the offer, especially if you were not able to complete the very straightforward math problem. Essays might have got you in but they cannot help you thrive at TJ.

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Students entering TJ with Algebra 1 dont get to enroll in any of calculus based science classes like Physics C, even by senior year, similar to base school.

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Anonymous wrote:DD says last year Math was easier than this year’s question.

Wording on this year’s made it lil more confusing than last year’s question. According to her - once you get thru that then it is a straightforward answer.

DD messed her essays. Waitlisted

Asian, 4.00 GPA, pre-calculus

troll post desperately convincing others that math acceleration doesnt help getting into TJ. Troll may have a point, since admissions doesnot evaluate student's math level.

But what troll doesnt mention is math acceleration in middle school lets that student take the highest level of advanced math courses offered at TJ, after getting admitted . TJ has been offering advanced math post AP DE courses for decades, and only fast learners on accelerated path have access to them, and never the Algebra 1 in 8th grade kids. The most the bottom student entering with 8th grade Algebra 1 is at best Calc AB, that too with significant remedial help.

Agree 100%. The math level is not counted as part of the application process, that's a shame IMO but it is what it is. But if you are entering TJ with just Algebra 1 then it will be a struggle as you cannot take advantage of the advanced math classes offered by TJ and thus risk being in the bottom low. Please understand that the rigor and difficulty level at TJ is much higher than your base high school so if you did get in with Algebra 1, you seriously want to rethink accepting the offer, especially if you were not able to complete the very straightforward math problem. Essays might have got you in but they cannot help you thrive at TJ.

TJ is a STEM school, not a Math school. You sound confused. Also, "bottom low" isn't a noun. Or a thing.