NCS grades spin-off

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Anonymous wrote:Is the fundamental problem here that people think an A- should be a 4.0?


Nope not even close!

Problem is that grades averaging to a 90 or above gpa should be a 3.7 not a 3.58 or 3.6.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:MCS, Sidwell, Maret, GDS, Potomac and STA all report course grades the same on the transcript (as letter grades).

The only difference is whether or not they post a final GPA. NCS and Maret do (on a 4.0 scale) STA does (on a 100 scale), Sidwell, GDS and Potomac do not.

how does this matter if colleges all recalculate GPAs anyway? (They generally remove art, music and religion classes)


DP. Well because if your student continually receives grades on the high end of the the letter grade system for example receives an 86 constantly they are getting entered in as if the same if they receive an 83 (both receive a 3.0). Over time this can lower their gpa. Number system is more accurate and fair. Please try adding it up yourself. For example you have students that have never had below a 90 average for a single semester on their report card but when their actual numbers are converted to letters it can lower their grade.

A 4.0 93-100
A- 3.7 90-92
B+ 3.3 87-89
B 3.0 83-86
B- 2.7 80-82


Well I hate to tell you but this is how grading is done. It's the same at STA, Sidwell, GDS, Potomac, Maret. The transcript has a letter grade for each course and this letter grades reflects a 3-5 point numeric band. this is life with grading. you win some (you fall at the bottom of a letter grade band) , you lose some (you fall at the top of a band). Welcome to being a student. the only way around this is to get solid As in all courses.


I hate to tell you this since I have a student at STA it is NOT how they calculate GPA. They use the number grade the student received in their classes. They may put the letter on transcript but they use the actual number received. This is 100 percent the case.


Huh? I have an STA student. you make no sense.

If a boy gets an 89 in a class it goes on his transcript as a B+. Not as an 89.

Then they take that 89 to calculate the Cumulative GPA which is a single number (which means little as colleges recalculate)

I believe the point is that NCS wouldn’t take that 89 and average it with all the other numerical final grades and then convert it to the 4.0 GPA scale, but instead first converts it to a 3.3 and then averages all the converted final grades to get the GPA. This is less precise, over time you essentially get rounding errors.


To add to this OP to answer your question the issue is you can have a student like my daughter who has never had below a 90 average on any report card in high school yet the way NCS is calculating her GPA they are saying she has a 3.6 GPA insyeD of a 3.7 on her college résumé so for us this is a disadvantage and very upsetting as Some of the colleges she’s looking at have a cut off of 3.7.
Anonymous
I have kids at both NCS and STA upper schools. I pulled up their report cards and transcripts. I will give an example using 5 subjects and the same grades for each.

Report cards at both schools are the same and look like this (with both number and letter grades).
They look
like this:
Science 88 B+
Math 93 A
English 87 B+
Spanish 89 B+
History 93 A

Now on transcripts, both schools remove the number grades for each class.

NCS transcript for this student: (this is exactly what is sent to colleges)

Science B+
Math A
English B+
Spanish B+
History A
GPA 3.58 (3.3 + 4.0 + 3.3 + 3.3 + 4.0 /5 = 3.58)

STA transcript for this student: (this is exactly what is sent to colleges)
Science B+
Math A
English B+
Spanish B+
History A
GPA 90


Is the argument that the 90% looks better than the 3.58?






Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I have kids at both NCS and STA upper schools. I pulled up their report cards and transcripts. I will give an example using 5 subjects and the same grades for each.

Report cards at both schools are the same and look like this (with both number and letter grades).
They look
like this:
Science 88 B+
Math 93 A
English 87 B+
Spanish 89 B+
History 93 A

Now on transcripts, both schools remove the number grades for each class.

NCS transcript for this student: (this is exactly what is sent to colleges)

Science B+
Math A
English B+
Spanish B+
History A
GPA 3.58 (3.3 + 4.0 + 3.3 + 3.3 + 4.0 /5 = 3.58)

STA transcript for this student: (this is exactly what is sent to colleges)
Science B+
Math A
English B+
Spanish B+
History A
GPA 90


Is the argument that the 90% looks better than the 3.58?


Yes, exactly, because the 90 converts to a 3.7.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:MCS, Sidwell, Maret, GDS, Potomac and STA all report course grades the same on the transcript (as letter grades).

The only difference is whether or not they post a final GPA. NCS and Maret do (on a 4.0 scale) STA does (on a 100 scale), Sidwell, GDS and Potomac do not.

how does this matter if colleges all recalculate GPAs anyway? (They generally remove art, music and religion classes)


DP. Well because if your student continually receives grades on the high end of the the letter grade system for example receives an 86 constantly they are getting entered in as if the same if they receive an 83 (both receive a 3.0). Over time this can lower their gpa. Number system is more accurate and fair. Please try adding it up yourself. For example you have students that have never had below a 90 average for a single semester on their report card but when their actual numbers are converted to letters it can lower their grade.

A 4.0 93-100
A- 3.7 90-92
B+ 3.3 87-89
B 3.0 83-86
B- 2.7 80-82


Well I hate to tell you but this is how grading is done. It's the same at STA, Sidwell, GDS, Potomac, Maret. The transcript has a letter grade for each course and this letter grades reflects a 3-5 point numeric band. this is life with grading. you win some (you fall at the bottom of a letter grade band) , you lose some (you fall at the top of a band). Welcome to being a student. the only way around this is to get solid As in all courses.


I hate to tell you this since I have a student at STA it is NOT how they calculate GPA. They use the number grade the student received in their classes. They may put the letter on transcript but they use the actual number received. This is 100 percent the case.


Huh? I have an STA student. you make no sense.

If a boy gets an 89 in a class it goes on his transcript as a B+. Not as an 89.

Then they take that 89 to calculate the Cumulative GPA which is a single number (which means little as colleges recalculate)

I believe the point is that NCS wouldn’t take that 89 and average it with all the other numerical final grades and then convert it to the 4.0 GPA scale, but instead first converts it to a 3.3 and then averages all the converted final grades to get the GPA. This is less precise, over time you essentially get rounding errors.


To add to this OP to answer your question the issue is you can have a student like my daughter who has never had below a 90 average on any report card in high school yet the way NCS is calculating her GPA they are saying she has a 3.6 GPA insyeD of a 3.7 on her college résumé so for us this is a disadvantage and very upsetting as Some of the colleges she’s looking at have a cut off of 3.7.


But the colleges would come to the same conclusion as NCS because they all recalculate GPAs. I don't know of any high schools that send percentages from classes to colleges. They send letter grades.

Science B+
Math A
English B+
Spanish B+
History A
90% GPA

If you send these grades like STA and say "90% GPA!" the college is going to turn around an calculate it like they do every applicant and say, "nope, this is a 3.58."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have kids at both NCS and STA upper schools. I pulled up their report cards and transcripts. I will give an example using 5 subjects and the same grades for each.

Report cards at both schools are the same and look like this (with both number and letter grades).
They look
like this:
Science 88 B+
Math 93 A
English 87 B+
Spanish 89 B+
History 93 A

Now on transcripts, both schools remove the number grades for each class.

NCS transcript for this student: (this is exactly what is sent to colleges)

Science B+
Math A
English B+
Spanish B+
History A
GPA 3.58 (3.3 + 4.0 + 3.3 + 3.3 + 4.0 /5 = 3.58)

STA transcript for this student: (this is exactly what is sent to colleges)
Science B+
Math A
English B+
Spanish B+
History A
GPA 90


Is the argument that the 90% looks better than the 3.58?


Yes, exactly, because the 90 converts to a 3.7.


The thing is, STA doesn't make this final calculation-- They don't present this student as a 3.7. They say to colleges, "here are the letter grades from each course and the total GPA is 90%; do with it as you will." I bet 99% of colleges turn around and say, "thanks, our AI software will immediately pull the letter grades from the application and recalculate this student on the 4.0 scale. This STA student has a 3.58." Done. Even the game Sidwell/GDS play with not submitting a GPA at all- I'm sure it doesn't do anything. Colleges are not going to be hoodwinked into not looking at the GPA (or assuming it must be higher than it is) because the high school doesn't list one on the application. I'm sure their AI software immediately takes those Sidwell letter grades and converts a GPA. "Ok, random selection of letter grades from Sidwell? They convert to a GPA of 3.71. Done."
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:MCS, Sidwell, Maret, GDS, Potomac and STA all report course grades the same on the transcript (as letter grades).

The only difference is whether or not they post a final GPA. NCS and Maret do (on a 4.0 scale) STA does (on a 100 scale), Sidwell, GDS and Potomac do not.

how does this matter if colleges all recalculate GPAs anyway? (They generally remove art, music and religion classes)


DP. Well because if your student continually receives grades on the high end of the the letter grade system for example receives an 86 constantly they are getting entered in as if the same if they receive an 83 (both receive a 3.0). Over time this can lower their gpa. Number system is more accurate and fair. Please try adding it up yourself. For example you have students that have never had below a 90 average for a single semester on their report card but when their actual numbers are converted to letters it can lower their grade.

A 4.0 93-100
A- 3.7 90-92
B+ 3.3 87-89
B 3.0 83-86
B- 2.7 80-82


Well I hate to tell you but this is how grading is done. It's the same at STA, Sidwell, GDS, Potomac, Maret. The transcript has a letter grade for each course and this letter grades reflects a 3-5 point numeric band. this is life with grading. you win some (you fall at the bottom of a letter grade band) , you lose some (you fall at the top of a band). Welcome to being a student. the only way around this is to get solid As in all courses.


I hate to tell you this since I have a student at STA it is NOT how they calculate GPA. They use the number grade the student received in their classes. They may put the letter on transcript but they use the actual number received. This is 100 percent the case.


Huh? I have an STA student. you make no sense.

If a boy gets an 89 in a class it goes on his transcript as a B+. Not as an 89.

Then they take that 89 to calculate the Cumulative GPA which is a single number (which means little as colleges recalculate)

I believe the point is that NCS wouldn’t take that 89 and average it with all the other numerical final grades and then convert it to the 4.0 GPA scale, but instead first converts it to a 3.3 and then averages all the converted final grades to get the GPA. This is less precise, over time you essentially get rounding errors.


To add to this OP to answer your question the issue is you can have a student like my daughter who has never had below a 90 average on any report card in high school yet the way NCS is calculating her GPA they are saying she has a 3.6 GPA insyeD of a 3.7 on her college résumé so for us this is a disadvantage and very upsetting as Some of the colleges she’s looking at have a cut off of 3.7.


But the colleges would come to the same conclusion as NCS because they all recalculate GPAs. I don't know of any high schools that send percentages from classes to colleges. They send letter grades.

Science B+
Math A
English B+
Spanish B+
History A
90% GPA

If you send these grades like STA and say "90% GPA!" the college is going to turn around an calculate it like they do every applicant and say, "nope, this is a 3.58."


DP. Actually they do not. That is incorrect. They won't even bother to recalculate that low. Have spoken to many people in admissions and consults and the inside information is that for many colleges (not all) you are automatically cut off from consideration.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I have kids at both NCS and STA upper schools. I pulled up their report cards and transcripts. I will give an example using 5 subjects and the same grades for each.

Report cards at both schools are the same and look like this (with both number and letter grades).
They look
like this:
Science 88 B+
Math 93 A
English 87 B+
Spanish 89 B+
History 93 A

Now on transcripts, both schools remove the number grades for each class.

NCS transcript for this student: (this is exactly what is sent to colleges)

Science B+
Math A
English B+
Spanish B+
History A
GPA 3.58 (3.3 + 4.0 + 3.3 + 3.3 + 4.0 /5 = 3.58)

STA transcript for this student: (this is exactly what is sent to colleges)
Science B+
Math A
English B+
Spanish B+
History A
GPA 90


Is the argument that the 90% looks better than the 3.58?








NP. Well yes because a 90 gpa is a 3.7! A 3.58 is low for most colleges and no that is a myth they are not recalculating all gpa's. For many sorry a 3.58 is an automatic rejection.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have kids at both NCS and STA upper schools. I pulled up their report cards and transcripts. I will give an example using 5 subjects and the same grades for each.

Report cards at both schools are the same and look like this (with both number and letter grades).
They look
like this:
Science 88 B+
Math 93 A
English 87 B+
Spanish 89 B+
History 93 A

Now on transcripts, both schools remove the number grades for each class.

NCS transcript for this student: (this is exactly what is sent to colleges)

Science B+
Math A
English B+
Spanish B+
History A
GPA 3.58 (3.3 + 4.0 + 3.3 + 3.3 + 4.0 /5 = 3.58)

STA transcript for this student: (this is exactly what is sent to colleges)
Science B+
Math A
English B+
Spanish B+
History A
GPA 90


Is the argument that the 90% looks better than the 3.58?


Yes, exactly, because the 90 converts to a 3.7.


The thing is, STA doesn't make this final calculation-- They don't present this student as a 3.7. They say to colleges, "here are the letter grades from each course and the total GPA is 90%; do with it as you will." I bet 99% of colleges turn around and say, "thanks, our AI software will immediately pull the letter grades from the application and recalculate this student on the 4.0 scale. This STA student has a 3.58." Done. Even the game Sidwell/GDS play with not submitting a GPA at all- I'm sure it doesn't do anything. Colleges are not going to be hoodwinked into not looking at the GPA (or assuming it must be higher than it is) because the high school doesn't list one on the application. I'm sure their AI software immediately takes those Sidwell letter grades and converts a GPA. "Ok, random selection of letter grades from Sidwell? They convert to a GPA of 3.71. Done."


To follow this--if colleges are tossing applications based on GPAs, they're doing it after they first standardizing the data. Their software runs through the Common Application. It removes classes the college doesn't want calculated in the GPA (example: art), it calculate eveyone on the same 4.0 scale, etc. THEN the college might throw out the GPAs under 3.5 or 3.7 or whatnot.
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Anonymous wrote:MCS, Sidwell, Maret, GDS, Potomac and STA all report course grades the same on the transcript (as letter grades).

The only difference is whether or not they post a final GPA. NCS and Maret do (on a 4.0 scale) STA does (on a 100 scale), Sidwell, GDS and Potomac do not.

how does this matter if colleges all recalculate GPAs anyway? (They generally remove art, music and religion classes)


DP. Well because if your student continually receives grades on the high end of the the letter grade system for example receives an 86 constantly they are getting entered in as if the same if they receive an 83 (both receive a 3.0). Over time this can lower their gpa. Number system is more accurate and fair. Please try adding it up yourself. For example you have students that have never had below a 90 average for a single semester on their report card but when their actual numbers are converted to letters it can lower their grade.

A 4.0 93-100
A- 3.7 90-92
B+ 3.3 87-89
B 3.0 83-86
B- 2.7 80-82


Well I hate to tell you but this is how grading is done. It's the same at STA, Sidwell, GDS, Potomac, Maret. The transcript has a letter grade for each course and this letter grades reflects a 3-5 point numeric band. this is life with grading. you win some (you fall at the bottom of a letter grade band) , you lose some (you fall at the top of a band). Welcome to being a student. the only way around this is to get solid As in all courses.


I hate to tell you this since I have a student at STA it is NOT how they calculate GPA. They use the number grade the student received in their classes. They may put the letter on transcript but they use the actual number received. This is 100 percent the case.


Huh? I have an STA student. you make no sense.

If a boy gets an 89 in a class it goes on his transcript as a B+. Not as an 89.

Then they take that 89 to calculate the Cumulative GPA which is a single number (which means little as colleges recalculate)

I believe the point is that NCS wouldn’t take that 89 and average it with all the other numerical final grades and then convert it to the 4.0 GPA scale, but instead first converts it to a 3.3 and then averages all the converted final grades to get the GPA. This is less precise, over time you essentially get rounding errors.


To add to this OP to answer your question the issue is you can have a student like my daughter who has never had below a 90 average on any report card in high school yet the way NCS is calculating her GPA they are saying she has a 3.6 GPA insyeD of a 3.7 on her college résumé so for us this is a disadvantage and very upsetting as Some of the colleges she’s looking at have a cut off of 3.7.


But the colleges would come to the same conclusion as NCS because they all recalculate GPAs. I don't know of any high schools that send percentages from classes to colleges. They send letter grades.

Science B+
Math A
English B+
Spanish B+
History A
90% GPA

If you send these grades like STA and say "90% GPA!" the college is going to turn around an calculate it like they do every applicant and say, "nope, this is a 3.58."


DP. Actually they do not. That is incorrect. They won't even bother to recalculate that low. Have spoken to many people in admissions and consults and the inside information is that for many colleges (not all) you are automatically cut off from consideration.


So they're not running a one second automated computer calculation on the data in the common application before tossing applications? What happens to kids from Sidwell or GDS?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:MCS, Sidwell, Maret, GDS, Potomac and STA all report course grades the same on the transcript (as letter grades).

The only difference is whether or not they post a final GPA. NCS and Maret do (on a 4.0 scale) STA does (on a 100 scale), Sidwell, GDS and Potomac do not.

how does this matter if colleges all recalculate GPAs anyway? (They generally remove art, music and religion classes)


DP. Well because if your student continually receives grades on the high end of the the letter grade system for example receives an 86 constantly they are getting entered in as if the same if they receive an 83 (both receive a 3.0). Over time this can lower their gpa. Number system is more accurate and fair. Please try adding it up yourself. For example you have students that have never had below a 90 average for a single semester on their report card but when their actual numbers are converted to letters it can lower their grade.

A 4.0 93-100
A- 3.7 90-92
B+ 3.3 87-89
B 3.0 83-86
B- 2.7 80-82


If your daughter has “never had below a 90 average for a single semester on their report card,” then the converted grade would be an A- (3.7). That’s the grade your daughter earned. What’s the problem?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is the fundamental problem here that people think an A- should be a 4.0?


Nope not even close!

Problem is that grades averaging to a 90 or above gpa should be a 3.7 not a 3.58 or 3.6.


Depends on what the distribution of the grades are.

What were the grades & credits for each class?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:MCS, Sidwell, Maret, GDS, Potomac and STA all report course grades the same on the transcript (as letter grades).

The only difference is whether or not they post a final GPA. NCS and Maret do (on a 4.0 scale) STA does (on a 100 scale), Sidwell, GDS and Potomac do not.

how does this matter if colleges all recalculate GPAs anyway? (They generally remove art, music and religion classes)


DP. Well because if your student continually receives grades on the high end of the the letter grade system for example receives an 86 constantly they are getting entered in as if the same if they receive an 83 (both receive a 3.0). Over time this can lower their gpa. Number system is more accurate and fair. Please try adding it up yourself. For example you have students that have never had below a 90 average for a single semester on their report card but when their actual numbers are converted to letters it can lower their grade.

A 4.0 93-100
A- 3.7 90-92
B+ 3.3 87-89
B 3.0 83-86
B- 2.7 80-82


If your daughter has “never had below a 90 average for a single semester on their report card,” then the converted grade would be an A- (3.7). That’s the grade your daughter earned. What’s the problem?


DP. Oh my goodness please pay attention. Posters have explained this hundred times. It should be a 3.7 but NCS configures it differently. That is the issue. They don't convert the average over. They convert the number grade to a letter grade first then convert that to a 4.0 scale. Please reread the thread. Too difficult to try to explain to you.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:MCS, Sidwell, Maret, GDS, Potomac and STA all report course grades the same on the transcript (as letter grades).

The only difference is whether or not they post a final GPA. NCS and Maret do (on a 4.0 scale) STA does (on a 100 scale), Sidwell, GDS and Potomac do not.

how does this matter if colleges all recalculate GPAs anyway? (They generally remove art, music and religion classes)


DP. Well because if your student continually receives grades on the high end of the the letter grade system for example receives an 86 constantly they are getting entered in as if the same if they receive an 83 (both receive a 3.0). Over time this can lower their gpa. Number system is more accurate and fair. Please try adding it up yourself. For example you have students that have never had below a 90 average for a single semester on their report card but when their actual numbers are converted to letters it can lower their grade.

A 4.0 93-100
A- 3.7 90-92
B+ 3.3 87-89
B 3.0 83-86
B- 2.7 80-82


If your daughter has “never had below a 90 average for a single semester on their report card,” then the converted grade would be an A- (3.7). That’s the grade your daughter earned. What’s the problem?


Are you obtuse? Seriously. The posters have explained that THIS is the exact problem. That is what it SHOULD be but the way NCS calculates it is is not!!
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is the fundamental problem here that people think an A- should be a 4.0?


Nope not even close!

Problem is that grades averaging to a 90 or above gpa should be a 3.7 not a 3.58 or 3.6.


Depends on what the distribution of the grades are.

What were the grades & credits for each class?


That was all taken into account obviously. .5 credits and full credits taken into account
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