Any uva ED rejects who got into better/icy schools during RD?

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Anonymous wrote:With grade inflation they really need to start looking at scores more heavily.

Ivies are leaning that way. Dartmouth and Yale both did a 5-year study and show standardized test scores are the most indicative of success. They followed TO and those that submitted high scores too. The TO were more likely to be on grade probation and grade probation has increased a lot since TO.

Both Yale and Dartmouth will be test optional for the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Happy New Year.

Any unhooked kids applying test optional to top schools will be automatically rejected as it will be assumed that they have low scores.

What about the discussion in that other thread lately where the OP wanted to know if her kid should submit a 34 ACT to Vanderbilt (not to mention Yale or Dartmouth). A good number of posters said not to because it’s too low and the kid will be rejected. The thinking here seems to be that “unhooked” kids, however you define that, have slim to no chance at any top school unless they submit a 35/1550 or greater.

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Probably true on above.

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Anonymous wrote:Since there is so much differentiation with weighted GPAs- how many Bs did she have?

I’m surprised at the deny.

FCPS gives 0.5 extra points for Honors and 1 full extra point for AP/Dual Enrollment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With grade inflation they really need to start looking at scores more heavily.

Ivies are leaning that way. Dartmouth and Yale both did a 5-year study and show standardized test scores are the most indicative of success. They followed TO and those that submitted high scores too. The TO were more likely to be on grade probation and grade probation has increased a lot since TO.

Both Yale and Dartmouth will be test optional for the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Happy New Year.

Any unhooked kids applying test optional to top schools will be automatically rejected as it will be assumed that they have low scores.

What about the discussion in that other thread lately where the OP wanted to know if her kid should submit a 34 ACT to Vanderbilt (not to mention Yale or Dartmouth). A good number of posters said not to because it’s too low and the kid will be rejected. The thinking here seems to be that “unhooked” kids, however you define that, have slim to no chance at any top school unless they submit a 35/1550 or greater.

My DD got rejected even with good gpa and sat. I don't think SAT 1550 or greater will get you accepted and she is URM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, I know someone who was rejected from UVA and got into John Hopkins and Georgetown (Foreign Service).

I know many rejected from UVA who got into better schools!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With grade inflation they really need to start looking at scores more heavily.

Ivies are leaning that way. Dartmouth and Yale both did a 5-year study and show standardized test scores are the most indicative of success. They followed TO and those that submitted high scores too. The TO were more likely to be on grade probation and grade probation has increased a lot since TO.

At our HS it looks like for UVA you need a 4.4 and a 1420 or higher to be reliably accepted (and even then it's mixed with acceptances and denials). Higher SAT scores don't seem to make up for a lower GPA, but few people are getting in with high grades and low SATs either. W&M has similar stats, but it seems like you can get in with slightly lower GPA (e.g., 4.2) if you have a 1500 or higher.

VT on the other hand is all over the map with quite a few students getting in with GPAs in the 3.5s and scores in the 1100s and just a messy mixture of acceptances, waitlists and rejections at all levels of GPAs and SATs. I can see why people are confused on what VT wants in students! UVA and WM only want high scores, but at least it's a very clear-cut, predictable pattern.

UVA may yield protect with OPs GPA and SAT, however. There is a poster or two that insists not, so just be apprised.

UVA is not "yield protecting" in ED - OP's daughter had committed to attend, so no need for yield protection even if it happens. OP - your daughter is a great candidate and will no doubt end up with some good choices.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With grade inflation they really need to start looking at scores more heavily.

Ivies are leaning that way. Dartmouth and Yale both did a 5-year study and show standardized test scores are the most indicative of success. They followed TO and those that submitted high scores too. The TO were more likely to be on grade probation and grade probation has increased a lot since TO.

Both Yale and Dartmouth will be test optional for the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Happy New Year.

Any unhooked kids applying test optional to top schools will be automatically rejected as it will be assumed that they have low scores.

Not true for REA but ok…
You again??? Put this to rest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With grade inflation they really need to start looking at scores more heavily.

Ivies are leaning that way. Dartmouth and Yale both did a 5-year study and show standardized test scores are the most indicative of success. They followed TO and those that submitted high scores too. The TO were more likely to be on grade probation and grade probation has increased a lot since TO.

Both Yale and Dartmouth will be test optional for the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Happy New Year.

Any unhooked kids applying test optional to top schools will be automatically rejected as it will be assumed that they have low scores.

What about the discussion in that other thread lately where the OP wanted to know if her kid should submit a 34 ACT to Vanderbilt (not to mention Yale or Dartmouth). A good number of posters said not to because it’s too low and the kid will be rejected. The thinking here seems to be that “unhooked” kids, however you define that, have slim to no chance at any top school unless they submit a 35/1550 or greater.

My DD got rejected even with good gpa and sat. I don't think SAT 1550 or greater will get you accepted and she is URM.

So it must be 4.0 uw goa plus 35/1550 for anyone (URM or not) from a HHI zip code? Under this logic, if PP had moved her family several steps outside the DMV zip code bubble her kid would have had a viable chance?

[Anonymous]

Other schools applied:
Georgetown (reach)
Tech (target??)
Penn state (target)
Pitt (safety )
Brown (reach)
Penn (reach)
George washington(target)
Mason (safety)
Vcu(safety)

Weird list and here is why I say it ~ so you can afford Georgetown full pay. Honestly? For sure? That an GW. Really? But you limited her safeties to Virginia schools. I don't get it. Were you insisting on her staying close? Pitt & Penn State make it sound like it.

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Anonymous wrote:Her GPA was too low for UVA. I assume she’s not in the top 5%.

I would think those reaches are truly reaches.

I don’t think the GPA is the issue. My guess is that the essay and ECs didn’t showcase her values, traits and leadership. The gpa and SAT will get her through the first hoop easily. The next hoop is the essay & ECs and finally fit.

As another poster said, she’ll have plenty of options.

GPA would be an issue at most FCPS high schools--4.4+ seems to be where the line is drawn on Naviance at our 'middle of the road' high school. Only a small handful of kids accepted with GPAs under that and hundreds rejected. High SATs don't seem to make that much of a difference under that GPA.

My son with a 4.3, 1580 GPA got in EA last year. I agree that essays, ECs, and recommendations likely helped him a great deal. He's now an Echols Scholar there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Her GPA was too low for UVA. I assume she’s not in the top 5%.

I would think those reaches are truly reaches.

I don’t think the GPA is the issue. My guess is that the essay and ECs didn’t showcase her values, traits and leadership. The gpa and SAT will get her through the first hoop easily. The next hoop is the essay & ECs and finally fit.

As another poster said, she’ll have plenty of options.

GPA would be an issue at most FCPS high schools--4.4+ seems to be where the line is drawn on Naviance at our 'middle of the road' high school. Only a small handful of kids accepted with GPAs under that and hundreds rejected. High SATs don't seem to make that much of a difference under that GPA.

My son with a 4.3, 1580 GPA got in EA last year. I agree that essays, ECs, and recommendations likely helped him a great deal. He's now an Echols Scholar there.

Was he in FCPS?

My kid is in LCPS but there is a clear cut off of about 4.4 on the GPA To have a chance. LCPS also weights honors .5 and AP/DE 1.0 so a 4.3 is pretty low all things considered. My DS attends and had a 4.6 and was not Echols so I assume your DS 4.3 was not in FCPS/LCPS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her GPA was too low for UVA. I assume she’s not in the top 5%.

I would think those reaches are truly reaches.

I don’t think the GPA is the issue. My guess is that the essay and ECs didn’t showcase her values, traits and leadership. The gpa and SAT will get her through the first hoop easily. The next hoop is the essay & ECs and finally fit.

As another poster said, she’ll have plenty of options.

GPA would be an issue at most FCPS high schools--4.4+ seems to be where the line is drawn on Naviance at our 'middle of the road' high school. Only a small handful of kids accepted with GPAs under that and hundreds rejected. High SATs don't seem to make that much of a difference under that GPA.

My son with a 4.3, 1580 GPA got in EA last year. I agree that essays, ECs, and recommendations likely helped him a great deal. He's now an Echols Scholar there.

Yes. I would hope it's not a strict gpa cutoff at 4.4+ like so many posters claim. Also, if you go to a VA public HS pretty much most of the top half of the school is applying there too---so that makes it much more difficult.

If you look at the Ivies their AVERAGE GPA of admits is 3.9 gpa. Think about that. Brown's weighted average was 4.3gpa. I think VA publics are known for serious grade inflation, but I don't think UVA cares if there is a cutoff. When the colleges with 3-4% acceptance rates have a lower gpa average than UVA--that's something to think about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her GPA was too low for UVA. I assume she’s not in the top 5%.

I would think those reaches are truly reaches.

I don’t think the GPA is the issue. My guess is that the essay and ECs didn’t showcase her values, traits and leadership. The gpa and SAT will get her through the first hoop easily. The next hoop is the essay & ECs and finally fit.

As another poster said, she’ll have plenty of options.

GPA would be an issue at most FCPS high schools--4.4+ seems to be where the line is drawn on Naviance at our 'middle of the road' high school. Only a small handful of kids accepted with GPAs under that and hundreds rejected. High SATs don't seem to make that much of a difference under that GPA.

My son with a 4.3, 1580 GPA got in EA last year. I agree that essays, ECs, and recommendations likely helped him a great deal. He's now an Echols Scholar there.

Did he attend a NoVA public HS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her GPA was too low for UVA. I assume she’s not in the top 5%.

I would think those reaches are truly reaches.

I don’t think the GPA is the issue. My guess is that the essay and ECs didn’t showcase her values, traits and leadership. The gpa and SAT will get her through the first hoop easily. The next hoop is the essay & ECs and finally fit.

As another poster said, she’ll have plenty of options.

GPA would be an issue at most FCPS high schools--4.4+ seems to be where the line is drawn on Naviance at our 'middle of the road' high school. Only a small handful of kids accepted with GPAs under that and hundreds rejected. High SATs don't seem to make that much of a difference under that GPA.

My son with a 4.3, 1580 GPA got in EA last year. I agree that essays, ECs, and recommendations likely helped him a great deal. He's now an Echols Scholar there.

Yes. I would hope it's not a strict gpa cutoff at 4.4+ like so many posters claim. Also, if you go to a VA public HS pretty much most of the top half of the school is applying there too---so that makes it much more difficult.

If you look at the Ivies their AVERAGE GPA of admits is 3.9 gpa. Think about that. Brown's weighted average was 4.3gpa. I think VA publics are known for serious grade inflation, but I don't think UVA cares if there is a cutoff. When the colleges with 3-4% acceptance rates have a lower gpa average than UVA--that's something to think about.

I wish they would start valuing test scores more since this is well known. At a different VA public state university the admissions office made a joke about the 200+ Valedictorians at NoVA Hs. They said they are aware of grade inflation.

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Anonymous wrote:Other schools applied:
Georgetown (reach)
Tech (target??)
Penn state (target)
Pitt (safety )
Brown (reach)
Penn (reach)
George washington(target)
Mason (safety)
Vcu(safety)

Weird list and here is why I say it ~ so you can afford Georgetown full pay. Honestly? For sure? That an GW. Really? But you limited her safeties to Virginia schools. I don't get it. Were you insisting on her staying close? Pitt & Penn State make it sound like it.

Why be critical of the list? It’s a reasonable set of choices with some lottery plays, some solid matches that are instate publics or give merit, and high quality safeties.

If DC and the parent like the actual schools and the locations there’s not an issue.

DC gets to “go away to school” no matter what if that’s what they want since VCU is auto-admit with a 3.5 and above.