Gaza War, Part 2

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Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

Definitely forever gone. Even within my own circles- everyone has gone all in for Palestinian liberation and and are calling for an immediate ceasefire. All one needs to do is look at the protests around the world- and even the protests within this country over the past few weeks have been massive. Protesters took over Grand Central Station tonight. I’m sorry boomers, but the narrative has been changing for a while and it’s changing rapidly.

+1000
Same same same.
The people that have texted/DM’d and physically whispered about their disgust and helplessness of this situation and sympathy for Palestinians is real. No one feels like they can speak out.

Wait which is it? Mass protests or you think you can’t speak out?

Is it so hard for you to believe that there are people horrified with what Israel has been doing the last 2 weeks (and especially tonight!!) that also have mortgages and families and dont want to lose thier jobs or be called “anti semites” for having empathy for palestinian children being slaughtered by the thousands? Do you think the ones protesting are it?

I’m one of those people with a mortgage and a family who is heartbroken for all of the people who are caught up in this war. But I support the right of Israel to exist, as do most other Americans. That doesn’t change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m still waiting for all these posters to give us their alternative plans about how the one stage solution will work.

Here is how it will work:

Israelis will be citizens of Israel.
Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza will be citizens of Israel.

The end.

Very complex, no?

[Anonymous]

Truth be told: Israel needs t 2?state solution with a concrete plan of how to achieve it
For too long this has been ignored

If not that then what?
Why should the Palestinians be made to suffer?
Are they not also people created by God?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Truth be told: Israel needs t 2?state solution with a concrete plan of how to achieve it
For too long this has been ignored

If not that then what?
Why should the Palestinians be made to suffer?
Are they not also people created by God?

See:

The UN partition plan
The Oslo accords

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is Israel’s reckoning?

They’re so close to saying it out loud. Thing is, they don’t need to, people are figuring it out.

We def. need more thought crime prosecutions, so I guess I can get onboard with this plan.

So do we just Tommy gun the anti-semitic label around the forum, or how does this work?

Did you want to answer the question? Why so defensive.

Who needs answering the question? We can just accuse people of "thinking" something and we don't need the convenience of evidence, right? We can just utter those magical words that elicit a "F it, this is a waste of my time" from the thought offender, and from anyone sane enough to endure the minute-to-minute temper tantrums up in here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m still waiting for all these posters to give us their alternative plans about how the one stage solution will work.

Here is how it will work:

Israelis will be citizens of Israel.
Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza will be citizens of Israel.

The end.

Very complex, no?

I’ll give you the same answer I gave the other poster who suggested this:

The demographics are such that it would make the government one run by Palestinians, who would then be able to treat the Jews however they wish. It would also embolden the region against Israeli Jews.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

Definitely forever gone. Even within my own circles- everyone has gone all in for Palestinian liberation and and are calling for an immediate ceasefire. All one needs to do is look at the protests around the world- and even the protests within this country over the past few weeks have been massive. Protesters took over Grand Central Station tonight. I’m sorry boomers, but the narrative has been changing for a while and it’s changing rapidly.

+1000
Same same same.
The people that have texted/DM’d and physically whispered about their disgust and helplessness of this situation and sympathy for Palestinians is real. No one feels like they can speak out.

Wait which is it? Mass protests or you think you can’t speak out?

Is it so hard for you to believe that there are people horrified with what Israel has been doing the last 2 weeks (and especially tonight!!) that also have mortgages and families and dont want to lose thier jobs or be called “anti semites” for having empathy for palestinian children being slaughtered by the thousands? Do you think the ones protesting are it?

I’m one of those people with a mortgage and a family who is heartbroken for all of the people who are caught up in this war. But I support the right of Israel to exist, as do most other Americans. That doesn’t change.

Fully disagree. Most Americans had no idea what life in Gaza was like or had even known Israel to be such a horrific bully until now. Execution of a helpless populace is happening as we argue on this forum. The rest of the world sees it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

Definitely forever gone. Even within my own circles- everyone has gone all in for Palestinian liberation and and are calling for an immediate ceasefire. All one needs to do is look at the protests around the world- and even the protests within this country over the past few weeks have been massive. Protesters took over Grand Central Station tonight. I’m sorry boomers, but the narrative has been changing for a while and it’s changing rapidly.

Idk. I tend to think that the US is more made up of the annoyed New Yorkers in the video linked in the other thread. Patience for entitled whiny college kids who take over Grand Central is not high.

I LOVE that guy. That’s the NYC I know.

It’s also consistent with the take of a lot of Americans. Putting aside the entitled rich kids awkwardly wearing keffiyehs, most Americans aren’t in favor of the group that favors tearing the babies out of pregnant mothers and executing them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

Definitely forever gone. Even within my own circles- everyone has gone all in for Palestinian liberation and and are calling for an immediate ceasefire. All one needs to do is look at the protests around the world- and even the protests within this country over the past few weeks have been massive. Protesters took over Grand Central Station tonight. I’m sorry boomers, but the narrative has been changing for a while and it’s changing rapidly.

So what end do you want?

I am a DP (I am the fast food bed rotting one) and I think it’s pretty clear that the two state solution is a sham at best. The only real solution is to make the Palestinians citizens of Israel, but Israel will not do that barring some miracle or catastrophe. So the status quo will remain, Israel will keep seizing the West Bank and create an open air prison for Palestinians there. And the people in Gaza that are left will live whatever tragic existence they can.

I agree this is probably correct. It’s all a gd tragedy. After all this, it’s a small ask of Israel and it will never happen.

Not quite small, as the demographics are such that it would make the government one run by Palestinians, who would then be able to treat the Jews however they wish. It would also embolden the region against Israeli Jews.

They could perhaps bargain their way to some sort of confederation where Israelis and Palestinians are all citizens but the two state solution is totally dead- how could Israel allow a Palestinian military on their border? In fact there is no more border in the West Bank, it looks like utter insanity. How could the West Bank and Gaza control their own airspace? These are all characteristics actual countries have that "Palestine" never can.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

Definitely forever gone. Even within my own circles- everyone has gone all in for Palestinian liberation and and are calling for an immediate ceasefire. All one needs to do is look at the protests around the world- and even the protests within this country over the past few weeks have been massive. Protesters took over Grand Central Station tonight. I’m sorry boomers, but the narrative has been changing for a while and it’s changing rapidly.

So what end do you want?

I am a DP (I am the fast food bed rotting one) and I think it’s pretty clear that the two state solution is a sham at best. The only real solution is to make the Palestinians citizens of Israel, but Israel will not do that barring some miracle or catastrophe. So the status quo will remain, Israel will keep seizing the West Bank and create an open air prison for Palestinians there. And the people in Gaza that are left will live whatever tragic existence they can.

I agree this is probably correct. It’s all a gd tragedy. After all this, it’s a small ask of Israel and it will never happen.

Not quite small, as the demographics are such that it would make the government one run by Palestinians, who would then be able to treat the Jews however they wish. It would also embolden the region against Israeli Jews.

They could perhaps bargain their way to some sort of confederation where Israelis and Palestinians are all citizens but the two state solution is totally dead- how could Israel allow a Palestinian military on their border? In fact there is no more border in the West Bank, it looks like utter insanity. How could the West Bank and Gaza control their own airspace? These are all characteristics actual countries have that "Palestine" never can.

Confederation? How is that different than two states?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is Israel’s reckoning?

They’re so close to saying it out loud. Thing is, they don’t need to, people are figuring it out.

We def. need more thought crime prosecutions, so I guess I can get onboard with this plan.

So do we just Tommy gun the anti-semitic label around the forum, or how does this work?

Did you want to answer the question? Why so defensive.

Who needs answering the question? We can just accuse people of "thinking" something and we don't need the convenience of evidence, right? We can just utter those magical words that elicit a "F it, this is a waste of my time" from the thought offender, and from anyone sane enough to endure the minute-to-minute temper tantrums up in here.

You should probably get some sleep. You sound high.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

Definitely forever gone. Even within my own circles- everyone has gone all in for Palestinian liberation and and are calling for an immediate ceasefire. All one needs to do is look at the protests around the world- and even the protests within this country over the past few weeks have been massive. Protesters took over Grand Central Station tonight. I’m sorry boomers, but the narrative has been changing for a while and it’s changing rapidly.

Idk. I tend to think that the US is more made up of the annoyed New Yorkers in the video linked in the other thread. Patience for entitled whiny college kids who take over Grand Central is not high.

I LOVE that guy. That’s the NYC I know.

It’s also consistent with the take of a lot of Americans. Putting aside the entitled rich kids awkwardly wearing keffiyehs, most Americans aren’t in favor of the group that favors tearing the babies out of pregnant mothers and executing them.

So now hamas was doing late term abortions?? GTFO.

Wait but totally fine to slaughter 100x the amount of palestinan children and babies. You guys are really missing the irony

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

Definitely forever gone. Even within my own circles- everyone has gone all in for Palestinian liberation and and are calling for an immediate ceasefire. All one needs to do is look at the protests around the world- and even the protests within this country over the past few weeks have been massive. Protesters took over Grand Central Station tonight. I’m sorry boomers, but the narrative has been changing for a while and it’s changing rapidly.

+1000
Same same same.
The people that have texted/DM’d and physically whispered about their disgust and helplessness of this situation and sympathy for Palestinians is real. No one feels like they can speak out.

Wait which is it? Mass protests or you think you can’t speak out?

Is it so hard for you to believe that there are people horrified with what Israel has been doing the last 2 weeks (and especially tonight!!) that also have mortgages and families and dont want to lose thier jobs or be called “anti semites” for having empathy for palestinian children being slaughtered by the thousands? Do you think the ones protesting are it?

I’m one of those people with a mortgage and a family who is heartbroken for all of the people who are caught up in this war. But I support the right of Israel to exist, as do most other Americans. That doesn’t change.

You neglected to mention that you also support the right of Palestinians to exist. Was that an honest oversight?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m still waiting for all these posters to give us their alternative plans about how the one stage solution will work.

Here is how it will work:

Israelis will be citizens of Israel.
Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza will be citizens of Israel.

The end.

Very complex, no?

I’ll give you the same answer I gave the other poster who suggested this:

The demographics are such that it would make the government one run by Palestinians, who would then be able to treat the Jews however they wish. It would also embolden the region against Israeli Jews.

To translate: That's unacceptable for Israel.

Which brings us back to the 2 state solution because neither Israelis or Palestinians are going somewhere else.

There literally is no other option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m still waiting for all these posters to give us their alternative plans about how the one stage solution will work.

Here is how it will work:

Israelis will be citizens of Israel.
Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza will be citizens of Israel.

The end.

Very complex, no?

I’ll give you the same answer I gave the other poster who suggested this:

The demographics are such that it would make the government one run by Palestinians, who would then be able to treat the Jews however they wish. It would also embolden the region against Israeli Jews.

To translate: That's unacceptable for Israel.

Which brings us back to the 2 state solution because neither Israelis or Palestinians are going somewhere else.

There literally is no other option.

Do you understand why that’s unacceptable, especially when Hamas is in around?