Widespread looting in Philadelphia right now

[Anonymous]

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Wouldn't it be great if they actually resourced community services to handle these "violent or insane people" to get them on-the-ground, before-the-crime resources so that they wouldn't commit crimes? Like actually give them what they need rather than just arresting them, which does no one any good?

They need iPhones, sneakers and designer purses. Which social services department is in charge of those?

I mean we can all pack up and go home now. The answer is so clear, if we dump an unknown sum of money into amorphous services for under resourced communities, for an endless periods of time, in 50 years the crime crisis might slow. But in the interim it’s unfair to arrest and prosecute violent criminals because they live in under resourced communities.

Who is saying this? All I see is right wingers saying this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's astounding that the police let crime run rampant in protest of a paltry 2.5% budget cut, which also hit other city departments due to COVID revenue shortfall.

It's almost as though the police union is running an extortion racket on the city.

Or it could be because of progressive morons they elect to be judges and prosecutors who let criminals out with a stern talking to after multiple crimes are committed.

What's the point of policing if you keep arresting the same one man crime waves over and over and over again yet progressive Democrats keep letting them back out on the streets due to some insanely warped idea of progressive criminal justice? They made sure as hell they don't punish for retail theft and crime, now it is a free for all looting binge, because they know if cops catch them they'll be released anyway because locking them up would be racist and oppression.

Yeah, that’s all gonna need some cites. Because every story I’ve heard about people calling the police to report crimes has the police saying “we don’t do that.” Maybe the police could start to do their jobs instead of tormenting people. Actual policing might help.

I think you’ve bought into a narrative that all police just go around tormenting people and that’s just not true. There are bad apples, yes, but it’s not all police. You are posting an emotion, not by verifiable metrics.

Additionally, why don’t you do a Ward 8 right along and 3am and have your bubble of oppression deflated a little? Being a beat cop is an incredible stressful job dealing with violent or insane people.

Wouldn't it be great if they actually resourced community services to handle these "violent or insane people" to get them on-the-ground, before-the-crime resources so that they wouldn't commit crimes? Like actually give them what they need rather than just arresting them, which does no one any good? Kind of like, oh, I don't know, reallocating those police dollars to community services that will actually at least attempt to solve the problem and not just put a band-aid on it?

The first reply to your comment says everything about these people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Watch this video of the looting. The woman filming is cackling and reveling in the collapse of society. There’s no way to fix that.

Yes I think this is a reaction to Trump’s poll numbers. People know the country will sink back in to chaos if trump and the republicans over tune the will of the people. This is why you should never support a republican.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Wouldn't it be great if they actually resourced community services to handle these "violent or insane people" to get them on-the-ground, before-the-crime resources so that they wouldn't commit crimes? Like actually give them what they need rather than just arresting them, which does no one any good?

They need iPhones, sneakers and designer purses. Which social services department is in charge of those?

I mean we can all pack up and go home now. The answer is so clear, if we dump an unknown sum of money into amorphous services for under resourced communities, for an endless periods of time, in 50 years the crime crisis might slow. But in the interim it’s unfair to arrest and prosecute violent criminals because they live in under resourced communities.

Who is saying this? All I see is right wingers saying this.

Haha you must not live in DC. It's not the right wingers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Wouldn't it be great if they actually resourced community services to handle these "violent or insane people" to get them on-the-ground, before-the-crime resources so that they wouldn't commit crimes? Like actually give them what they need rather than just arresting them, which does no one any good?

They need iPhones, sneakers and designer purses. Which social services department is in charge of those?

I mean we can all pack up and go home now. The answer is so clear, if we dump an unknown sum of money into amorphous services for under resourced communities, for an endless periods of time, in 50 years the crime crisis might slow. But in the interim it’s unfair to arrest and prosecute violent criminals because they live in under resourced communities.

Who is saying this? All I see is right wingers saying this.

Haha you must not live in DC. It's not the right wingers.

If so many liberals are saying this it shouldn't be any problem to show some proof. So where is it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Wouldn't it be great if they actually resourced community services to handle these "violent or insane people" to get them on-the-ground, before-the-crime resources so that they wouldn't commit crimes? Like actually give them what they need rather than just arresting them, which does no one any good?

They need iPhones, sneakers and designer purses. Which social services department is in charge of those?

I mean we can all pack up and go home now. The answer is so clear, if we dump an unknown sum of money into amorphous services for under resourced communities, for an endless periods of time, in 50 years the crime crisis might slow. But in the interim it’s unfair to arrest and prosecute violent criminals because they live in under resourced communities.

Who is saying this? All I see is right wingers saying this.

What news are you reading where it’s the right wing folks that are not advocating incarcerating criminals? It’s the progressive criminals justice folks who advocate for that.

[Anonymous]

Who polices the internet?
Honestly that should be the title of this thread
This crime is organized anonymously online
It is facilitated by social media and the internet
So who is supposed to be handling that?
The police?
The FBI?

I would guess no one is.
So this is where we are. And rural America can expect this trend to head their way in some form soon enough. They are always behind, but never immune. Continue to be smug at your own peril.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's astounding that the police let crime run rampant in protest of a paltry 2.5% budget cut, which also hit other city departments due to COVID revenue shortfall.

It's almost as though the police union is running an extortion racket on the city.

Or it could be because of progressive morons they elect to be judges and prosecutors who let criminals out with a stern talking to after multiple crimes are committed.

What's the point of policing if you keep arresting the same one man crime waves over and over and over again yet progressive Democrats keep letting them back out on the streets due to some insanely warped idea of progressive criminal justice? They made sure as hell they don't punish for retail theft and crime, now it is a free for all looting binge, because they know if cops catch them they'll be released anyway because locking them up would be racist and oppression.

Yeah, that’s all gonna need some cites. Because every story I’ve heard about people calling the police to report crimes has the police saying “we don’t do that.” Maybe the police could start to do their jobs instead of tormenting people. Actual policing might help.

I think you’ve bought into a narrative that all police just go around tormenting people and that’s just not true. There are bad apples, yes, but it’s not all police. You are posting an emotion, not by verifiable metrics.

Additionally, why don’t you do a Ward 8 right along and 3am and have your bubble of oppression deflated a little? Being a beat cop is an incredible stressful job dealing with violent or insane people.

Wouldn't it be great if they actually resourced community services to handle these "violent or insane people" to get them on-the-ground, before-the-crime resources so that they wouldn't commit crimes? Like actually give them what they need rather than just arresting them, which does no one any good? Kind of like, oh, I don't know, reallocating those police dollars to community services that will actually at least attempt to solve the problem and not just put a band-aid on it?

What are these "community services" that would be as effective at preventing crime as law enforcement?

How has law enforcement in Philadelphia done so far in preventing these crimes? Law enforcement actually sucks at crime prevention. They're not so great in post-crime work, either, but they really head into the crapper when you're talking about crime prevention.

How do you expect law enforcement to “prevent crimes” from happening? Shouldn’t people just not loot and maaaaaybe sort of be accountable for their own behavior and not commit the crimes? Or is that too much to ask for? It’s always someone else’s fault and not the criminal with progressives.

Truly, what’s your defense for the vast criming of the GOP in general and Donald Trump in particular?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's astounding that the police let crime run rampant in protest of a paltry 2.5% budget cut, which also hit other city departments due to COVID revenue shortfall.

It's almost as though the police union is running an extortion racket on the city.

Or it could be because of progressive morons they elect to be judges and prosecutors who let criminals out with a stern talking to after multiple crimes are committed.

What's the point of policing if you keep arresting the same one man crime waves over and over and over again yet progressive Democrats keep letting them back out on the streets due to some insanely warped idea of progressive criminal justice? They made sure as hell they don't punish for retail theft and crime, now it is a free for all looting binge, because they know if cops catch them they'll be released anyway because locking them up would be racist and oppression.

Yeah, that’s all gonna need some cites. Because every story I’ve heard about people calling the police to report crimes has the police saying “we don’t do that.” Maybe the police could start to do their jobs instead of tormenting people. Actual policing might help.

I think you’ve bought into a narrative that all police just go around tormenting people and that’s just not true. There are bad apples, yes, but it’s not all police. You are posting an emotion, not by verifiable metrics.

Additionally, why don’t you do a Ward 8 right along and 3am and have your bubble of oppression deflated a little? Being a beat cop is an incredible stressful job dealing with violent or insane people.

Wouldn't it be great if they actually resourced community services to handle these "violent or insane people" to get them on-the-ground, before-the-crime resources so that they wouldn't commit crimes? Like actually give them what they need rather than just arresting them, which does no one any good? Kind of like, oh, I don't know, reallocating those police dollars to community services that will actually at least attempt to solve the problem and not just put a band-aid on it?

What are these "community services" that would be as effective at preventing crime as law enforcement?

How has law enforcement in Philadelphia done so far in preventing these crimes? Law enforcement actually sucks at crime prevention. They're not so great in post-crime work, either, but they really head into the crapper when you're talking about crime prevention.

How do you expect law enforcement to “prevent crimes” from happening? Shouldn’t people just not loot and maaaaaybe sort of be accountable for their own behavior and not commit the crimes? Or is that too much to ask for? It’s always someone else’s fault and not the criminal with progressives.

The question was "What are these "community services" that would be as effective at preventing crime as law enforcement[b]?" As effective as law enforcement implies that they are effective. Spoiler alert - they are not. But you can't argue that they should be funded because they're effective at preventing crime and then balk when someone asks you how they are doing that exactly?

[Anonymous]

Who says any of the organizers or supposed looters are local Philadelphians?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who polices the internet?
Honestly that should be the title of this thread
This crime is organized anonymously online
It is facilitated by social media and the internet
So who is supposed to be handling that?
The police?
The FBI?

I would guess no one is.
So this is where we are. And rural America can expect this trend to head their way in some form soon enough. They are always behind, but never immune. Continue to be smug at your own peril.

I think there was a song written about that.....

I live in a very rural community in a southern state. Our police dept. and sheriff's dept. are both very small.
But, I can assure you..... if anyone tried to come here and do what they did in Philly, they wouldn't last very long. And, anyone caught pulling this crap would spend a good amount of time behind bars.... that is, when they are not working along the rural roads picking up trash under the Sheriff's watchful eye and performing other community services during their incarceration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who says any of the organizers or supposed looters are local Philadelphians?

Philadelphia police arrested more than 50 people after multiple stores, including Apple, in the Center City area were ransacked Tuesday night following the gathering of a large crowd that, at one point, grew to about 100 young adults and teenagers, authorities said.

The commissioner said police believe the teenagers and young adults who ransacked businesses, including an Apple store, Footlocker and Lululemon, came from different areas around the city.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/09/27/philadelphia-center-city-looting-juveniles-arrested/70978349007/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who polices the internet?
Honestly that should be the title of this thread
This crime is organized anonymously online
It is facilitated by social media and the internet
So who is supposed to be handling that?
The police?
The FBI?

I would guess no one is.
So this is where we are. And rural America can expect this trend to head their way in some form soon enough. They are always behind, but never immune. Continue to be smug at your own peril.

I think there was a song written about that.....

I live in a very rural community in a southern state. Our police dept. and sheriff's dept. are both very small.
But, I can assure you..... if anyone tried to come here and do what they did in Philly, they wouldn't last very long. And, anyone caught pulling this crap would spend a good amount of time behind bars.... that is, when they are not working along the rural roads picking up trash under the Sheriff's watchful eye and performing other community services during their incarceration.

I live in a small town too, you aren’t special.
These problems will rear their head in a different way, but we’ll see it. And All the faux machismo in the world isn’t going to help.
Our laws are not current. The internet is lawless. Go tell your good ‘ol boy sheriff about swatting and see what he has to say.
For all we know these incidents are being incited by foreign agents.
We need younger, smarter lawmakers.
The lawlessness starts online and spills onto the real world, and we have a bunch of octogenarians , who think the interweb turns off at night, running the show.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who polices the internet?
Honestly that should be the title of this thread
This crime is organized anonymously online
It is facilitated by social media and the internet
So who is supposed to be handling that?
The police?
The FBI?

I would guess no one is.
So this is where we are. And rural America can expect this trend to head their way in some form soon enough. They are always behind, but never immune. Continue to be smug at your own peril.

I think there was a song written about that.....

I live in a very rural community in a southern state. Our police dept. and sheriff's dept. are both very small.
But, I can assure you..... if anyone tried to come here and do what they did in Philly, they wouldn't last very long. And, anyone caught pulling this crap would spend a good amount of time behind bars.... that is, when they are not working along the rural roads picking up trash under the Sheriff's watchful eye and performing other community services during their incarceration.

I'm currently in a small town in Maryland. If you drive over 5 mph over the speed limit you get ticketed. The speed limit is 25.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's astounding that the police let crime run rampant in protest of a paltry 2.5% budget cut, which also hit other city departments due to COVID revenue shortfall.

It's almost as though the police union is running an extortion racket on the city.

Or it could be because of progressive morons they elect to be judges and prosecutors who let criminals out with a stern talking to after multiple crimes are committed.

What's the point of policing if you keep arresting the same one man crime waves over and over and over again yet progressive Democrats keep letting them back out on the streets due to some insanely warped idea of progressive criminal justice? They made sure as hell they don't punish for retail theft and crime, now it is a free for all looting binge, because they know if cops catch them they'll be released anyway because locking them up would be racist and oppression.

Yeah, that’s all gonna need some cites. Because every story I’ve heard about people calling the police to report crimes has the police saying “we don’t do that.” Maybe the police could start to do their jobs instead of tormenting people. Actual policing might help.

I think you’ve bought into a narrative that all police just go around tormenting people and that’s just not true. There are bad apples, yes, but it’s not all police. You are posting an emotion, not by verifiable metrics.

Additionally, why don’t you do a Ward 8 right along and 3am and have your bubble of oppression deflated a little? Being a beat cop is an incredible stressful job dealing with violent or insane people.

Wouldn't it be great if they actually resourced community services to handle these "violent or insane people" to get them on-the-ground, before-the-crime resources so that they wouldn't commit crimes? Like actually give them what they need rather than just arresting them, which does no one any good? Kind of like, oh, I don't know, reallocating those police dollars to community services that will actually at least attempt to solve the problem and not just put a band-aid on it?

What are these "community services" that would be as effective at preventing crime as law enforcement?

How has law enforcement in Philadelphia done so far in preventing these crimes? Law enforcement actually sucks at crime prevention. They're not so great in post-crime work, either, but they really head into the crapper when you're talking about crime prevention.

How do you expect law enforcement to “prevent crimes” from happening? Shouldn’t people just not loot and maaaaaybe sort of be accountable for their own behavior and not commit the crimes? Or is that too much to ask for? It’s always someone else’s fault and not the criminal with progressives.

The question was "What are these "community services" that would be as effective at preventing crime as law enforcement[b]?" As effective as law enforcement implies that they are effective. Spoiler alert - they are not. But you can't argue that they should be funded because they're effective at preventing crime and then balk when someone asks you how they are doing that exactly?

Saudi Arabia has a very low crime rate. It's difficult to measure deterrence, but it seems to follow that seeing severe punishment, carried out in public, might have something to do with how secure their communities are.