I truly do not understand the anti WFH sentiment

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Anonymous wrote:WFH has nuked productivity at my company, in two specific ways. First, it has multiplied time in meetings by two- or threefold. This means that there is far less time for actual work. We now have many managers who don't do anything other than receive requests are reroute them to others via email, PowerPoint, and Teams. This is literally like the guy in Office Space who takes requirements from customers to engineers because he's a a people person, damnit. Secondly, it has essentially made it impossible to train new people. It turns out that entry level employees need lots of in-person time--instructional and unstructured--to become productive. We've now gotten to the point where the senior leaders who moved away or refuse to come in are on their way out, and we're only hiring new employees locally. WFH, for us, was a failed experiment.

I agree a lot with this response. For instance, right now I need to find out which person does X program. So I'll send out an email, it will bounce around, won't receive a response for a few days (because the amount of emails everyone receives are in the hundreds) and I am delayed. Previously I could just ask around or pop into someone's office briefly. Or previously I likely would have just known who did X project because I spoke to people at lunch or at the coffee station. I'm getting really frustrated every day.

Meetings and emails are just out of control and they haven't given us the collaboration that we used to have.

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I’m suprised some of you all don’t have tools like slack or MS teams or webex. Nobody calls or emails unless it needs to be documented. Slack at my company is how you get immediate responses. Plus for our tools you literally cannot hide. You can see who is logged in and who is idle and who is not even logged in. You can see who is in a meeting and who is not. You absolutely can go on a run, but it needs to be blocked off so people can see when you are idle or logged off that you are not available. I literally have logged today my dog walk (30min) and my trip to the garden center (45min). I’m not blocking off lunch today. As long as it’s transparent then nobody questions it. If your manager sees a idle status with no time block and you don’t do it a few times you might end up on a PIP. Your manager can run metrics in idle status vs personal time blocks.

THIS. 100%. how can you not know who is doing work? teams/ slack/ email.
we all wfh most of the time and i know who is not doing work bc i expect that if i message someone they respond pretty fast and i see their utilization reports etc. not hard.

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OP this is the whole point!!! why not let ppl do what makes them happy? why ruin someone else's life bc you prefer to be in an office? Insane to me to force ppl who do not want to share space with you to do so.

We're tired of you sociopaths rewriting society just because you hate people.

We? Consider moving then. Idaho is beautiful and people are very social out there

Just gross. You people destroyed everything.

Destroyed what exactly? Go in to spend time with people like you? Don’t think so.

Sociopath. You know nothing about me, and yet you hate me. So glad I left DC.

Right... So you want me to go in so I can see your ugly face and smell your bad breath? Don't think so sweetpie. LOL.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:WFH has nuked productivity at my company, in two specific ways. First, it has multiplied time in meetings by two- or threefold. This means that there is far less time for actual work. We now have many managers who don't do anything other than receive requests are reroute them to others via email, PowerPoint, and Teams. This is literally like the guy in Office Space who takes requirements from customers to engineers because he's a a people person, damnit. Secondly, it has essentially made it impossible to train new people. It turns out that entry level employees need lots of in-person time--instructional and unstructured--to become productive. We've now gotten to the point where the senior leaders who moved away or refuse to come in are on their way out, and we're only hiring new employees locally. WFH, for us, was a failed experiment.

I agree a lot with this response. For instance, right now I need to find out which person does X program. So I'll send out an email, it will bounce around, won't receive a response for a few days (because the amount of emails everyone receives are in the hundreds) and I am delayed. Previously I could just ask around or pop into someone's office briefly. Or previously I likely would have just known who did X project because I spoke to people at lunch or at the coffee station. I'm getting really frustrated every day.

Meetings and emails are just out of control and they haven't given us the collaboration that we used to have.

Why are you using email for a question of that nature? Seems more appropriate to send Teams messages. If you’re sending an email you’re kind of signaling it’s not something you need a response to asap. I think at most companies you now need Teams in lieu of something you’d ask by stopping by someone’s desk or office.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

Except that I get all those things from outside of work. I come together with FRIENDS who I get to choose and enjoy way more frequently now that I am not spendingt so much time on a soul sucking commute.

If I could have an easy 10-15 minute commute, and come and go from an office as I pleased, sure. But spending 45 minutes in hellish DC traffic that could flex up to 90 minutes with the slightest of issues (rain, accident) is WAY worse for my health than the work place "isolation". Btw, I live 7 miles from my office.

These types of posts and comments acting like whomever wants to come into the office has no friends or no life are straight up bullying.

I bet 80% of the people commenting on here that everyone should do what they want and makes them happy think that they’re liberals.

[Anonymous]

Is it not bullying to want everyone else to be in the office 40 hours a week to enhance your social engagement?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:WFH has nuked productivity at my company, in two specific ways. First, it has multiplied time in meetings by two- or threefold. This means that there is far less time for actual work. We now have many managers who don't do anything other than receive requests are reroute them to others via email, PowerPoint, and Teams. This is literally like the guy in Office Space who takes requirements from customers to engineers because he's a a people person, damnit. Secondly, it has essentially made it impossible to train new people. It turns out that entry level employees need lots of in-person time--instructional and unstructured--to become productive. We've now gotten to the point where the senior leaders who moved away or refuse to come in are on their way out, and we're only hiring new employees locally. WFH, for us, was a failed experiment.

+1 Especially the comment about recruiting and training new people. It's impossible to establish an office culture and expectations when everyone is remote. And the constant meetings that take 10x longer than they need to.

Office culture is complete and total bullshit anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:WFH has nuked productivity at my company, in two specific ways. First, it has multiplied time in meetings by two- or threefold. This means that there is far less time for actual work. We now have many managers who don't do anything other than receive requests are reroute them to others via email, PowerPoint, and Teams. This is literally like the guy in Office Space who takes requirements from customers to engineers because he's a a people person, damnit. Secondly, it has essentially made it impossible to train new people. It turns out that entry level employees need lots of in-person time--instructional and unstructured--to become productive. We've now gotten to the point where the senior leaders who moved away or refuse to come in are on their way out, and we're only hiring new employees locally. WFH, for us, was a failed experiment.

I agree a lot with this response. For instance, right now I need to find out which person does X program. So I'll send out an email, it will bounce around, won't receive a response for a few days (because the amount of emails everyone receives are in the hundreds) and I am delayed. Previously I could just ask around or pop into someone's office briefly. Or previously I likely would have just known who did X project because I spoke to people at lunch or at the coffee station. I'm getting really frustrated every day.

Meetings and emails are just out of control and they haven't given us the collaboration that we used to have.

How old are you are so you still have a pager?

People who use email for small crap that doesn’t need to be documented are so annoying. It’s like those people who don’t use Venmo and to pay you back instead will write a check.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Slacking off on the job never existed prior to COVID and WFH. Everyone in the office was always super productive and now everyone sits at home and does nothing.

That’s rich

Hon? That was sarcasm.

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Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

Except that I get all those things from outside of work. I come together with FRIENDS who I get to choose and enjoy way more frequently now that I am not spendingt so much time on a soul sucking commute.

If I could have an easy 10-15 minute commute, and come and go from an office as I pleased, sure. But spending 45 minutes in hellish DC traffic that could flex up to 90 minutes with the slightest of issues (rain, accident) is WAY worse for my health than the work place "isolation". Btw, I live 7 miles from my office.

These types of posts and comments acting like whomever wants to come into the office has no friends or no life are straight up bullying.

I bet 80% of the people commenting on here that everyone should do what they want and makes them happy think that they’re liberals.

You don't know the definition of bullying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

Omg. You sound so needy. Yuck!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WFH has nuked productivity at my company, in two specific ways. First, it has multiplied time in meetings by two- or threefold. This means that there is far less time for actual work. We now have many managers who don't do anything other than receive requests are reroute them to others via email, PowerPoint, and Teams. This is literally like the guy in Office Space who takes requirements from customers to engineers because he's a a people person, damnit. Secondly, it has essentially made it impossible to train new people. It turns out that entry level employees need lots of in-person time--instructional and unstructured--to become productive. We've now gotten to the point where the senior leaders who moved away or refuse to come in are on their way out, and we're only hiring new employees locally. WFH, for us, was a failed experiment.

I agree a lot with this response. For instance, right now I need to find out which person does X program. So I'll send out an email, it will bounce around, won't receive a response for a few days (because the amount of emails everyone receives are in the hundreds) and I am delayed. Previously I could just ask around or pop into someone's office briefly. Or previously I likely would have just known who did X project because I spoke to people at lunch or at the coffee station. I'm getting really frustrated every day.

Meetings and emails are just out of control and they haven't given us the collaboration that we used to have.

How old are you are so you still have a pager?

People who use email for small crap that doesn’t need to be documented are so annoying. It’s like those people who don’t use Venmo and to pay you back instead will write a check.

PP here. I'm sending an email to multiple people trying to seek an answer, then those people sometimes forward the email on. We do have Teams, but not slack.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

You got a mouse in your pocket? Who is “we”? I’m a writer/editor and I need peace and quiet. I don’t mind being in the office, but I 100% am more effective when I’m at home and it is quiet without people like you draining my energy and breaking my concentration.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WFH has nuked productivity at my company, in two specific ways. First, it has multiplied time in meetings by two- or threefold. This means that there is far less time for actual work. We now have many managers who don't do anything other than receive requests are reroute them to others via email, PowerPoint, and Teams. This is literally like the guy in Office Space who takes requirements from customers to engineers because he's a a people person, damnit. Secondly, it has essentially made it impossible to train new people. It turns out that entry level employees need lots of in-person time--instructional and unstructured--to become productive. We've now gotten to the point where the senior leaders who moved away or refuse to come in are on their way out, and we're only hiring new employees locally. WFH, for us, was a failed experiment.

I agree a lot with this response. For instance, right now I need to find out which person does X program. So I'll send out an email, it will bounce around, won't receive a response for a few days (because the amount of emails everyone receives are in the hundreds) and I am delayed. Previously I could just ask around or pop into someone's office briefly. Or previously I likely would have just known who did X project because I spoke to people at lunch or at the coffee station. I'm getting really frustrated every day.

Meetings and emails are just out of control and they haven't given us the collaboration that we used to have.

Why are you using email for a question of that nature? Seems more appropriate to send Teams messages. If you’re sending an email you’re kind of signaling it’s not something you need a response to asap. I think at most companies you now need Teams in lieu of something you’d ask by stopping by someone’s desk or office.

NP. Exactly. People who think they need to “pop in the doorway” are dinosaurs who can’t send a freaking gchat. Whatever your office’s platform is, learn it, USE IT, and stop with your antiquated thinking.

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OP this is the whole point!!! why not let ppl do what makes them happy? why ruin someone else's life bc you prefer to be in an office? Insane to me to force ppl who do not want to share space with you to do so.

We're tired of you sociopaths rewriting society just because you hate people.

We? Consider moving then. Idaho is beautiful and people are very social out there

Just gross. You people destroyed everything.

Destroyed what exactly? Go in to spend time with people like you? Don’t think so.

Sociopath. You know nothing about me, and yet you hate me. So glad I left DC.

Right... So you want me to go in so I can see your ugly face and smell your bad breath? Don't think so sweetpie. LOL.

What exactly is your problem?

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OP this is the whole point!!! why not let ppl do what makes them happy? why ruin someone else's life bc you prefer to be in an office? Insane to me to force ppl who do not want to share space with you to do so.

We're tired of you sociopaths rewriting society just because you hate people.

We? Consider moving then. Idaho is beautiful and people are very social out there

Just gross. You people destroyed everything.

Destroyed what exactly? Go in to spend time with people like you? Don’t think so.

Sociopath. You know nothing about me, and yet you hate me. So glad I left DC.

Right... So you want me to go in so I can see your ugly face and smell your bad breath? Don't think so sweetpie. LOL.

What exactly is your problem?

Right now? You.