MCPS Teachers Quitting? Who is replacing them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid has had a long term sub the entire year so far in physics.
The school has not been able to find anyone

This is going to become a huge problem.

We can’t find teachers at our school willing to take on AP classes. When everybody is already swamped and exhausted, who will agree to piling on that much more work? Strong teachers used to campaign for those classes. Not anymore.

Not really. No reason to believe it's different than it was in prior years.

[Anonymous]

Teachers also have to contribute 7 percent of their pay to the retirement system. So that is a lot of money to someone that is just starting out that may never stay long enough to reap the benefits. Loan forgiveness is very very hard to get for teachers, even those in title 1 schools.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's pretty ridiculous that a police recruit with an associate's degree makes more than an entry-level teacher with a master's degree.

The jobs may both be stressful, but police risk their lives. I know teachers are subject to abuse, but day to day there is no comparison with the risks police offers take.

There are TONS of jobs where people do not risk their lives and make much more than police officers. How do you justify them making more than police officers?

I honestly dgaf what people are paid. Every worker should have at least a living wage. I'm sick of the comparisons between police/fire fighters and teachers. It's apples and oranges. The apt question is why aren't teachers valued and respected in our society?

Why does this bother you so much?

Teacher pay is shameful in Montgomery County, no wonder teachers are leaving.

A decent entry level salary for a person with a master's degree in a high cost area is no less than $70k. If you aren't paying that much and you aren't attracting or retaining people, you should really not be surprised.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Teachers also have to contribute 7 percent of their pay to the retirement system. So that is a lot of money to someone that is just starting out that may never stay long enough to reap the benefits. Loan forgiveness is very very hard to get for teachers, even those in title 1 schools.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's pretty ridiculous that a police recruit with an associate's degree makes more than an entry-level teacher with a master's degree.

The jobs may both be stressful, but police risk their lives. I know teachers are subject to abuse, but day to day there is no comparison with the risks police offers take.

There are TONS of jobs where people do not risk their lives and make much more than police officers. How do you justify them making more than police officers?

I honestly dgaf what people are paid. Every worker should have at least a living wage. I'm sick of the comparisons between police/fire fighters and teachers. It's apples and oranges. The apt question is why aren't teachers valued and respected in our society?

Why does this bother you so much?

Teacher pay is shameful in Montgomery County, no wonder teachers are leaving.

A decent entry level salary for a person with a master's degree in a high cost area is no less than $70k. If you aren't paying that much and you aren't attracting or retaining people, you should really not be surprised.

Teachers are entitled to public service loan forgiveness. You need to look up the rules and follow them just like any program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid has had a long term sub the entire year so far in physics.
The school has not been able to find anyone

This is going to become a huge problem.

We can’t find teachers at our school willing to take on AP classes. When everybody is already swamped and exhausted, who will agree to piling on that much more work? Strong teachers used to campaign for those classes. Not anymore.

Not really. No reason to believe it's different than it was in prior years.

OF COURSE it is different. This job is exponentially harder than it used to be. I’ve been teaching AP for years. I used to have fewer students and more time to work. Now I have almost twice the students and no time to work.

I’m getting out of AP. Why add all this extra work on myself? Nobody in my department wants it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers also have to contribute 7 percent of their pay to the retirement system. So that is a lot of money to someone that is just starting out that may never stay long enough to reap the benefits. Loan forgiveness is very very hard to get for teachers, even those in title 1 schools.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's pretty ridiculous that a police recruit with an associate's degree makes more than an entry-level teacher with a master's degree.

The jobs may both be stressful, but police risk their lives. I know teachers are subject to abuse, but day to day there is no comparison with the risks police offers take.

There are TONS of jobs where people do not risk their lives and make much more than police officers. How do you justify them making more than police officers?

I honestly dgaf what people are paid. Every worker should have at least a living wage. I'm sick of the comparisons between police/fire fighters and teachers. It's apples and oranges. The apt question is why aren't teachers valued and respected in our society?

Why does this bother you so much?

Teacher pay is shameful in Montgomery County, no wonder teachers are leaving.

A decent entry level salary for a person with a master's degree in a high cost area is no less than $70k. If you aren't paying that much and you aren't attracting or retaining people, you should really not be surprised.

Teachers are entitled to public service loan forgiveness. You need to look up the rules and follow them just like any program.

Only true of teachers in Title 1 schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers also have to contribute 7 percent of their pay to the retirement system. So that is a lot of money to someone that is just starting out that may never stay long enough to reap the benefits. Loan forgiveness is very very hard to get for teachers, even those in title 1 schools.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's pretty ridiculous that a police recruit with an associate's degree makes more than an entry-level teacher with a master's degree.

The jobs may both be stressful, but police risk their lives. I know teachers are subject to abuse, but day to day there is no comparison with the risks police offers take.

There are TONS of jobs where people do not risk their lives and make much more than police officers. How do you justify them making more than police officers?

I honestly dgaf what people are paid. Every worker should have at least a living wage. I'm sick of the comparisons between police/fire fighters and teachers. It's apples and oranges. The apt question is why aren't teachers valued and respected in our society?

Why does this bother you so much?

Teacher pay is shameful in Montgomery County, no wonder teachers are leaving.

A decent entry level salary for a person with a master's degree in a high cost area is no less than $70k. If you aren't paying that much and you aren't attracting or retaining people, you should really not be surprised.

Teachers are entitled to public service loan forgiveness. You need to look up the rules and follow them just like any program.

Only true of teachers in Title 1 schools

False. Educate yourself.

[Anonymous]

To qualify for PSLF, you must

be employed by a U.S. federal, state, local, or tribal government or not-for-profit organization (federal service includes U.S. military service);

work full-time for that agency or organization;

have Direct Loans (or consolidate other federal student loans into a Direct Loan);

repay your loans under an income-driven repayment plan*; and

make 120 qualifying payments.

https://studentaid.gov/manage-loans/forgiveness-cancellation/public-service

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid has had a long term sub the entire year so far in physics.
The school has not been able to find anyone

This is going to become a huge problem.

We can’t find teachers at our school willing to take on AP classes. When everybody is already swamped and exhausted, who will agree to piling on that much more work? Strong teachers used to campaign for those classes. Not anymore.

There are currently 7 open physics positions posted. Why would anyone want to be a highly qualified STEM teacher when they can literally make twice the money with less stress in industry? There needs to be pay differentials for hard to fill positions.

[Anonymous]

To the poster who said the starting salary should be $70k, I would be fine with that.

But I will point out that starting salaries for new lawyers fresh out of law school at Legal Aid in Montgomery County is $66k. Seems like $65k would be good for a 10 month job for a teacher fresh out of college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the poster who said the starting salary should be $70k, I would be fine with that.

But I will point out that starting salaries for new lawyers fresh out of law school at Legal Aid in Montgomery County is $66k. Seems like $65k would be good for a 10 month job for a teacher fresh out of college.

You are not seriously trying to suggest that nonprofit salaries are appropriate for teachers? Those jobs are for trust fund babies and people who didn't get the message they are for trust fund babies. We need a real supply of good teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the poster who said the starting salary should be $70k, I would be fine with that.

But I will point out that starting salaries for new lawyers fresh out of law school at Legal Aid in Montgomery County is $66k. Seems like $65k would be good for a 10 month job for a teacher fresh out of college.

This, lawyers, social workers, nurses, and others in similar professions with master's degrees make less than starting teachers. Especially when you consider its a 10 month position and they get better health care and other benefits vs. the county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the poster who said the starting salary should be $70k, I would be fine with that.

But I will point out that starting salaries for new lawyers fresh out of law school at Legal Aid in Montgomery County is $66k. Seems like $65k would be good for a 10 month job for a teacher fresh out of college.

You are not seriously trying to suggest that nonprofit salaries are appropriate for teachers? Those jobs are for trust fund babies and people who didn't get the message they are for trust fund babies. We need a real supply of good teachers.

One might say that teaching is now for trust fund babies or those who marry well too. Why do you think the county cannot fill so many positions any more and those positions go unfilled too.

I was in one of those jobs. After child care, it didn't pay for me to work, especially given the hours and I needed to pay a babysitter to get my kids from day care as I never made it home before 7.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the poster who said the starting salary should be $70k, I would be fine with that.

But I will point out that starting salaries for new lawyers fresh out of law school at Legal Aid in Montgomery County is $66k. Seems like $65k would be good for a 10 month job for a teacher fresh out of college.

You are not seriously trying to suggest that nonprofit salaries are appropriate for teachers? Those jobs are for trust fund babies and people who didn't get the message they are for trust fund babies. We need a real supply of good teachers.

One might say that teaching is now for trust fund babies or those who marry well too. Why do you think the county cannot fill so many positions any more and those positions go unfilled too.

I was in one of those jobs. After child care, it didn't pay for me to work, especially given the hours and I needed to pay a babysitter to get my kids from day care as I never made it home before 7.

Exactly. There are not enough trust fund babies to fill teaching positions. It's not appropriate and not decent to pay under $70k for a job that requires a master's degree in the DMV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the poster who said the starting salary should be $70k, I would be fine with that.

But I will point out that starting salaries for new lawyers fresh out of law school at Legal Aid in Montgomery County is $66k. Seems like $65k would be good for a 10 month job for a teacher fresh out of college.

You are not seriously trying to suggest that nonprofit salaries are appropriate for teachers? Those jobs are for trust fund babies and people who didn't get the message they are for trust fund babies. We need a real supply of good teachers.

Your now seriously suggesting that only trust fund babies work at nonprofits or should?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the poster who said the starting salary should be $70k, I would be fine with that.

But I will point out that starting salaries for new lawyers fresh out of law school at Legal Aid in Montgomery County is $66k. Seems like $65k would be good for a 10 month job for a teacher fresh out of college.

You are not seriously trying to suggest that nonprofit salaries are appropriate for teachers? Those jobs are for trust fund babies and people who didn't get the message they are for trust fund babies. We need a real supply of good teachers.

One might say that teaching is now for trust fund babies or those who marry well too. Why do you think the county cannot fill so many positions any more and those positions go unfilled too.

I was in one of those jobs. After child care, it didn't pay for me to work, especially given the hours and I needed to pay a babysitter to get my kids from day care as I never made it home before 7.

Exactly. There are not enough trust fund babies to fill teaching positions. It's not appropriate and not decent to pay under $70k for a job that requires a master's degree in the DMV.

My neighbor who teaches at MCPS makes 120k. I think that's not bad for someone who likely only works around 160 days a year, and with the Elrich tax increases it should be a lot more soon.