All long marriages will have some crap. You don't get to 50 years of marriage without some crap, arguments, disagreement and changes. You teach them how to communicate, how to stick up for themselves (but also how to listen to others and their way may not always be right), how to cope, how to support and how to lead, etc. My parents raised strong women and we were always told to have some form of employment (encouraged in education/careers) so that we had options if things were toxic beyond repair. But, we were taught marriage requires work and compromise and there will be stages where one gives more to support the other and vice versa. We certainly weren't raised to be shrinking violets and team sports and leadership and a good education were all part of it, but so was having compassion, communication and understanding. I still remember the drive home from wedding dress shopping with my older sister (married a decade at that point) and my mom (happily married for life) when they said, 'marriage isn't going to be this easy, that there will be times you absolutely will not be able to stand your spouse or even look at them, etc., everyone has the moments in a long marriage', but it can be absolutely wonderful and those moments come and go. I feel like so many are taught to bail and expect to get their way 100% of the time w/ no compromise, e.g., don't put up with any crap for the 'institution of marriage'. So misleading. Those aren't helpful statements. Hence, the bolded study. |
+100 |
I’m not the post you are responding to, but I am absolutely advising that my daughters never get married because it is not a good deal for them at all. |
My brother felt the same way and never married. |
ARe you advising them not to have children as well, or to raise them as a single parent? |
+1. I remember being a teen and briefly wishing my parents would divorce (because that’s what everybody else said). I was just a kid, what did I know? Now that I have an adult’s understanding and can see things with a view to the long-term, it was clearly just a phase in their midlife marriage and I am so so so glad they stayed together and have each other in old age. It’s not some static thing that never changes, complex feelings can emerge over time and with maturity. Coping mechanisms are real, too. It’s not like the kid was involved in making an informed choice, the adults made the decision for them and they had to deal with it. |
I am advising them to never get married. If they want a child, I would recommend that they use a sperm donor. Having a man control the rest of your life if that is the child’s father and you don’t get along is a freaking nightmare. We divorce laws are now you are tether to that person for life and you can never make your own decisions for 21 years at least. Absolutely do not recommend having a child with a father that you know because you don’t have any control over your life or how that child is raised. I would only suggest they have children if they truly truly want them and it’s absolutely not necessary to have a happy life. |
Christ. You should never had children. |
It was not the plan. But the problem isn’t the kids. The problem is a man. |
wallerstein is far from the last word in divorce research. |
-100000. You want to know how it ends up that you divorce "too late" when your kid is in MS and you've had years and years of household tension? By unrealistically clinging to how things should be instead of how they are. At a certain point, calm, low-conflict separate households are MUCH better than a single, tense household. |
I'm also a researcher. More recent and better research really points to outcomes that are not very different when you compare families from similar economic racial and education background. I believe that as more research is done, esp on more recent divorce, it will be clear that negative impacts were vastly overstated. Most people bring their own motivations to this. A lot of research on impacts of divorce has been funded by conservative organizations or led by marriage crusaders. This research is then repeated by the huge swaths of unhappily married people who stay together "for the children." Anecdotally some of the most well adjusted people I know are children of divorce (I am an ACOD!). We all know people like this, because almost 50% of marriages end in divorce. |
This is a pretty paternalistic view and presupposes that children of divorce lack the insight or initiative to do the necessary healing work to create a better future for themselves. |
Correction: Problem is the man you picked. Or did your parents force him on you? |
NP but the problem is him. Why are you so deadset on blaming a woman for the behavior of a man? |