FCPS Boundary Review Updates

[Anonymous]

The universal feedback on this forum and every conversation across county - other than a few capacity balancing moves - no one wants changes islands/split feeders included. Let’s put our kids first, FCPS

[Anonymous]

Woah, my mind is blown re:falls church city!! I had no idea those schools were in Fairfax county

[Anonymous]

If anyone is curious why the Navy ES island exists, I know the history. I grew up in the Tuckaway section of Franklin Farm, I started at Oak Hill ES and then got moved to Crossfield ES when it opened. The Nestlewood section of Franklin Farm now ironically being proposed to be moved to Oak Hill stayed at Oak Hill. About 3 years later Oak Hill ES was overcrowded and the county proposed moving the Nestlewood section to Crossfield and moving my neighborhood to Navy since we were closer to Navy and you could take Thompson Rd to get there. My parents and all the other parents in Tuckaway strongly objected since we had already had to move schools once, so the county backed off and sent the Nestlewood section to Navy instead thus creating the island that exists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If anyone is curious why the Navy ES island exists, I know the history. I grew up in the Tuckaway section of Franklin Farm, I started at Oak Hill ES and then got moved to Crossfield ES when it opened. The Nestlewood section of Franklin Farm now ironically being proposed to be moved to Oak Hill stayed at Oak Hill. About 3 years later Oak Hill ES was overcrowded and the county proposed moving the Nestlewood section to Crossfield and moving my neighborhood to Navy since we were closer to Navy and you could take Thompson Rd to get there. My parents and all the other parents in Tuckaway strongly objected since we had already had to move schools once, so the county backed off and sent the Nestlewood section to Navy instead thus creating the island that exists.

Thanks, you just expanded on what I was told some years ago when I moved to the area (not Franklin Farm.) I was told the Nestlewood people objected to leaving Oak Hill and organized and that is why they did not go to Crossfield initialy. (This was prior to being divided by 286--FFXCounty Parkway.)

But, now, why are they not sending them to Crossfield? It doesn't make sense to send them to Oak Hill. It remains an island--just a closer one, I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Woah, my mind is blown re:falls church city!! I had no idea those schools were in Fairfax county

They’re all in 22043. Mount Daniel is in the Haycock attendance zone. All the homes surrounding Mount Daniel go to Haycock.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If anyone is curious why the Navy ES island exists, I know the history. I grew up in the Tuckaway section of Franklin Farm, I started at Oak Hill ES and then got moved to Crossfield ES when it opened. The Nestlewood section of Franklin Farm now ironically being proposed to be moved to Oak Hill stayed at Oak Hill. About 3 years later Oak Hill ES was overcrowded and the county proposed moving the Nestlewood section to Crossfield and moving my neighborhood to Navy since we were closer to Navy and you could take Thompson Rd to get there. My parents and all the other parents in Tuckaway strongly objected since we had already had to move schools once, so the county backed off and sent the Nestlewood section to Navy instead thus creating the island that exists.

Thanks, you just expanded on what I was told some years ago when I moved to the area (not Franklin Farm.) I was told the Nestlewood people objected to leaving Oak Hill and organized and that is why they did not go to Crossfield initialy. (This was prior to being divided by 286--FFXCounty Parkway.)

But, now, why are they not sending them to Crossfield? It doesn't make sense to send them to Oak Hill. It remains an island--just a closer one, I guess.

My understanding is cause Nestlewood goes to Franklin, whereas Crossfield goes to Carson. I agree though Crossfield has capacity and they are surrounded by Crossfield neighborhoods

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Anonymous wrote:Lets talk Timberlane. Is there any realistic chance it stays with McLean? Or gets transitioned into Marshall? Or is it ultimately bound for Falls Church High School?

I will give you my perspective, and it's mine only.

Timber Lane has been bouncing around in the Thru proposals. It's caught in the crossfire for two reasons: (1) it's an attendance island now at Longfellow/McLean and (2) Graham Road ES currently lies within the Timber Lane boundary south of Route 29.

The BRAC slides had them both keeping Timber Lane north of Route 29 at Longfellow/McLean, except for the area off Route 29 west of Hollywood Road, which they were proposing to move to Kilmer but keep at McLean. And then they had Timber Lane south of Route 29 moving to Longfellow but not McLean. The proposals required them to move part of Shrevewood from Marshall to McLean to bridge the island.

The proposals in the tool deal with some of the obvious flaws. They don't have kids going to Kilmer and then McLean any longer, or kids going to Longfellow and then Falls Church. By any reasonable measure, those are improvements. But they now propose to move all of Timber Lane north of Route 29 to Jackson/Falls Church, except for the area west of Hollywood Road, which they'd continue to move to Kilmer, but then also move to Marshall rather than keep it at McLean.

... This alternative would not take advantage of the additional seats at Falls Church, but they aren't proposing to do anything to move kids into expanded Herndon right now, either. So it's not like they have a consistent approach to making sure they are doing something at every high school that's been expanded recently to take advantage of additional seats.

TLDR version - sure, everything is going to remain in play for months, and it's possible they could revert to keeping most of Timber Lane north of Route 29 at Longfellow/McLean or entertain requests to move to Kilmer/Marshall instead. Area west of Hollywood Road is likely to move to Shrevewood since they've boxed themselves into making other changes to Timber Lane's boundaries south of Route 29 that will increase Timber Lane's enrollment.

A PP poster wrote that 38% of Spring Hill is now the island. Now it has about 10 legal description sites as seen on the Mclean/Langley boundary process. New builds prior commercial zoning. Nobody looked at this stuff.

Decrease in membership over 20 years without significant boundary changes [Middleton and Blueberry Hill to CRES were small adds from Westbriar Island to Colvin Run]:

VDOE 2004-2005 difference from 2024-2025:
Forestville + Great Falls + Colvin Run (401) - new SFH+empty nesters+ some SINKS/DINKS
Spring Hill Elementary 207 - projected at 105% capacity CIPSY29-30

We attempted to reconcile Thru slides to current :
Falls Church: slides 0 + tool 190=190 is larger than what appears to be Timber Lane Island
Mclean: slides -142 + tool - 205 = diff -63 extra out of Mclean is Timber Lane Island?

Somebody needs to take a video of the walk to Marshall from Dominion Way to George C Marshall Drive. A bus to Mclean HS? No way. Another video to display is the walk to Westgate. Any other gems needed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lets talk Timberlane. Is there any realistic chance it stays with McLean? Or gets transitioned into Marshall? Or is it ultimately bound for Falls Church High School?

I will give you my perspective, and it's mine only.

Timber Lane has been bouncing around in the Thru proposals. It's caught in the crossfire for two reasons: (1) it's an attendance island now at Longfellow/McLean and (2) Graham Road ES currently lies within the Timber Lane boundary south of Route 29.

The BRAC slides had them both keeping Timber Lane north of Route 29 at Longfellow/McLean, except for the area off Route 29 west of Hollywood Road, which they were proposing to move to Kilmer but keep at McLean. And then they had Timber Lane south of Route 29 moving to Longfellow but not McLean. The proposals required them to move part of Shrevewood from Marshall to McLean to bridge the island.

The proposals in the tool deal with some of the obvious flaws. They don't have kids going to Kilmer and then McLean any longer, or kids going to Longfellow and then Falls Church. By any reasonable measure, those are improvements. But they now propose to move all of Timber Lane north of Route 29 to Jackson/Falls Church, except for the area west of Hollywood Road, which they'd continue to move to Kilmer, but then also move to Marshall rather than keep it at McLean.

... This alternative would not take advantage of the additional seats at Falls Church, but they aren't proposing to do anything to move kids into expanded Herndon right now, either. So it's not like they have a consistent approach to making sure they are doing something at every high school that's been expanded recently to take advantage of additional seats.

TLDR version - sure, everything is going to remain in play for months, and it's possible they could revert to keeping most of Timber Lane north of Route 29 at Longfellow/McLean or entertain requests to move to Kilmer/Marshall instead. Area west of Hollywood Road is likely to move to Shrevewood since they've boxed themselves into making other changes to Timber Lane's boundaries south of Route 29 that will increase Timber Lane's enrollment.

A PP poster wrote that 38% of Spring Hill is now the island. Now it has about 10 legal description sites as seen on the Mclean/Langley boundary process. New builds prior commercial zoning. Nobody looked at this stuff.

Decrease in membership over 20 years without significant boundary changes [Middleton and Blueberry Hill to CRES were small adds from Westbriar Island to Colvin Run]:

VDOE 2004-2005 difference from 2024-2025:
Forestville + Great Falls + Colvin Run (401) - new SFH+empty nesters+ some SINKS/DINKS
Spring Hill Elementary 207 - projected at 105% capacity CIPSY29-30

We attempted to reconcile Thru slides to current :
Falls Church: slides 0 + tool 190=190 is larger than what appears to be Timber Lane Island
Mclean: slides -142 + tool - 205 = diff -63 extra out of Mclean is Timber Lane Island?

Somebody needs to take a video of the walk to Marshall from Dominion Way to George C Marshall Drive. A bus to Mclean HS? No way. Another video to display is the walk to Westgate. Any other gems needed?

The 190-student increase in Falls Church students in the scenarios presented in the tool relates entirely to the part of the Timber Lane island that Thru now proposes to reassign to Falls Church. They are not proposing to move anyone else into FCHS. There is another piece of Timber Lane that Thru proposes to reasign to Marshall.

You are correct that the latest Thru proposals increase the reduction in McLean's enrollment to 205. That's due to the net effect of several changes that weren't reflected in the earlier slides: (1) moving the Timber Lane island to both Falls Church and Marshall (reduction), not completely offset by reassigning the Marshall-zoned part of Lemon Road to McLean (increase). They haven't separately indicated exactly how many kids would be moved from Timber Lane to Marshall or from Lemon Road to McLean in the tool, so all you can see is the net result.

I'm sure they are getting plenty of comments that, even if they move the rest of Lemon Road to McLean, they should keep the area on the other side of Route 7 that is next door to Marshall there, as well as that they shouldn't bus kids who can walk to Westgate to Frankin Sherman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If anyone is curious why the Navy ES island exists, I know the history. I grew up in the Tuckaway section of Franklin Farm, I started at Oak Hill ES and then got moved to Crossfield ES when it opened. The Nestlewood section of Franklin Farm now ironically being proposed to be moved to Oak Hill stayed at Oak Hill. About 3 years later Oak Hill ES was overcrowded and the county proposed moving the Nestlewood section to Crossfield and moving my neighborhood to Navy since we were closer to Navy and you could take Thompson Rd to get there. My parents and all the other parents in Tuckaway strongly objected since we had already had to move schools once, so the county backed off and sent the Nestlewood section to Navy instead thus creating the island that exists.

Thanks, you just expanded on what I was told some years ago when I moved to the area (not Franklin Farm.) I was told the Nestlewood people objected to leaving Oak Hill and organized and that is why they did not go to Crossfield initialy. (This was prior to being divided by 286--FFXCounty Parkway.)

But, now, why are they not sending them to Crossfield? It doesn't make sense to send them to Oak Hill. It remains an island--just a closer one, I guess.

My understanding is cause Nestlewood goes to Franklin, whereas Crossfield goes to Carson. I agree though Crossfield has capacity and they are surrounded by Crossfield neighborhoods

There was a proposal to move the Navy island to Crossfield some years back. Maybe like 10 years ago? People objected because they wouldn’t have let the island kids go on to Carson after that. They would have been the only ones to go Crossfield-Franklin. The pushback was successful and they stayed at Navy. If there is no choice but to move now (which is debatable), parents may prefer Oak Hill-Franklin to Crossfield-Carson because at least the kids’ Navy friends will be at Franklin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If anyone is curious why the Navy ES island exists, I know the history. I grew up in the Tuckaway section of Franklin Farm, I started at Oak Hill ES and then got moved to Crossfield ES when it opened. The Nestlewood section of Franklin Farm now ironically being proposed to be moved to Oak Hill stayed at Oak Hill. About 3 years later Oak Hill ES was overcrowded and the county proposed moving the Nestlewood section to Crossfield and moving my neighborhood to Navy since we were closer to Navy and you could take Thompson Rd to get there. My parents and all the other parents in Tuckaway strongly objected since we had already had to move schools once, so the county backed off and sent the Nestlewood section to Navy instead thus creating the island that exists.

Thanks, you just expanded on what I was told some years ago when I moved to the area (not Franklin Farm.) I was told the Nestlewood people objected to leaving Oak Hill and organized and that is why they did not go to Crossfield initialy. (This was prior to being divided by 286--FFXCounty Parkway.)

But, now, why are they not sending them to Crossfield? It doesn't make sense to send them to Oak Hill. It remains an island--just a closer one, I guess.

My understanding is cause Nestlewood goes to Franklin, whereas Crossfield goes to Carson. I agree though Crossfield has capacity and they are surrounded by Crossfield neighborhoods

There was a proposal to move the Navy island to Crossfield some years back. Maybe like 10 years ago? People objected because they wouldn’t have let the island kids go on to Carson after that. They would have been the only ones to go Crossfield-Franklin. The pushback was successful and they stayed at Navy. If there is no choice but to move now (which is debatable), parents may prefer Oak Hill-Franklin to Crossfield-Carson because at least the kids’ Navy friends will be at Franklin.

I completely get why they wouldn’t want that. Seems too logical for the County to find space at Carson for them, so that the side of the parkway all goes to Crossfield-Carson-Oakton

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If anyone is curious why the Navy ES island exists, I know the history. I grew up in the Tuckaway section of Franklin Farm, I started at Oak Hill ES and then got moved to Crossfield ES when it opened. The Nestlewood section of Franklin Farm now ironically being proposed to be moved to Oak Hill stayed at Oak Hill. About 3 years later Oak Hill ES was overcrowded and the county proposed moving the Nestlewood section to Crossfield and moving my neighborhood to Navy since we were closer to Navy and you could take Thompson Rd to get there. My parents and all the other parents in Tuckaway strongly objected since we had already had to move schools once, so the county backed off and sent the Nestlewood section to Navy instead thus creating the island that exists.

Thanks, you just expanded on what I was told some years ago when I moved to the area (not Franklin Farm.) I was told the Nestlewood people objected to leaving Oak Hill and organized and that is why they did not go to Crossfield initialy. (This was prior to being divided by 286--FFXCounty Parkway.)

But, now, why are they not sending them to Crossfield? It doesn't make sense to send them to Oak Hill. It remains an island--just a closer one, I guess.

My understanding is cause Nestlewood goes to Franklin, whereas Crossfield goes to Carson. I agree though Crossfield has capacity and they are surrounded by Crossfield neighborhoods

There was a proposal to move the Navy island to Crossfield some years back. Maybe like 10 years ago? People objected because they wouldn’t have let the island kids go on to Carson after that. They would have been the only ones to go Crossfield-Franklin. The pushback was successful and they stayed at Navy. If there is no choice but to move now (which is debatable), parents may prefer Oak Hill-Franklin to Crossfield-Carson because at least the kids’ Navy friends will be at Franklin.

I completely get why they wouldn’t want that. Seems too logical for the County to find space at Carson for them, so that the side of the parkway all goes to Crossfield-Carson-Oakton

I think there is another reason and it has nothing to do with the Navy Island kids.

[Anonymous]

Is Crossfield the only Oakton zoned elementary at Carson? What is the opinion of Crossfield going to Franklin?

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Anonymous wrote:Is Crossfield the only Oakton zoned elementary at Carson? What is the opinion of Crossfield going to Franklin?

Space?

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Anonymous wrote:lol - just noticed that the Emerald Chase HOA website moved their instructions on how to manipulate the system behind a username/password login now.

I CALLED IT!! Hope whoever was going to take screenshots already took them.

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Anonymous wrote:The only reason timber lane is an island is because in 2013/2014 fairfax sold land to falls church city to end water wars. Unfair to now have our kids leave their schools/friends because of being an island but no other issues.

Did that have to do with the new Meridian High School and adjacent development?

For years Mary Ellen Henderson MS and George Mason (now Meridian) HS sat on property owned by Fairfax County even though they are Falls Church City schools. One of the FCC elementary schools (Mt. Daniel ES) still sits in Fairfax County.

For years, some Fairfax County residents got their water from a water utility owned by Falls Church City. It was very expensive and the county residents getting water from the FCC-owned utility claimed they were getting gouged.

As part of a deal, FCC transfered the water utility to the county, and the county transferred a parcel of land, including the land where Henderson and Meridian are now located, to FCC. There's been later development on that parcel, which is near the West Falls Church Metro, as well.

The county and the people who live in the county directly across the street from this development are pissed, by the way. Traffic is already a nightmare getting through FCC and this is just making it that much worse. Nobody would have expected this to happen, but here we are. FCC getting greeeeeeedy.